Religion General

lily_sagara · newbie! Joined: Jul 11, 2005 Posts: 47

okay, wauw,

quite some discussion.

I'm an atheïst.
why? well first off all, religion is way to many used as an excuse for one's behaviour. (though religion may inspire ppl to do good things too) It's an excuse for discrimination, war,... If you think this isn't true then think 'bout Bush, the Jihad (or how it's spelle,d the islamitic war, and btw, catholics have a same thing). Think 'bout the situation (though much better hopefully now) in North Ireland. With Dublin ect. Then the discrimination of homosexual persons for example.

A lot of relgious people think in black and white. But don't forget, this world is a colourfull world.
(yes I know that those people are mostly extremists, but they get the most attention, and can influence a lot of people)

@ 72391

Those theories may show some wholes, but i think it's true.
I don't think you even seen that theorie. It's quite complicated why ect. I've seen some basic stuff about it last year, and what i heard there did me believe it's true. I never really believed the bible when it says the world is made by God. but then again, I don't believe in the bible. I even doubt that Jezus ever exsisted (though it's scientific proven, there must be something true) I think that if you think logical, that's the only theory that makes somewhere sense.

hope i didn't offend anyone by my post.

Bowser · Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 12:40 pm Post subject:

sadakuro · Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: fake's(cults) religion!

hemo200 · Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:

Spender · Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:22 am Post subject:

I think alot of the "religious problems" come when people try to hard to interpret God's (or whatever deity you happen to believe in) to much, and try to bend it to suit themselves. If we could all stop trying to "purge the world" of those who do not share our religions, then most conflicts, especially those in the middle east, would most likely end or at least be diminshed in terms of severity and intensity.

All these arguments over evolution and the begining of the universe could also be avoided if we just accepted the fact that only God (or, again, whatever deity you worship) really knows the full truth. We can theorize all we want, but lets face it, despite all the scientific evidence, and no matter how we choose to interpret the Bible/whatever, none of us were there. I'll let my science teacher teach me about evolution and the Big Bang. I personally believe that God may have used these things to build the world. If you were to examine scientific evidence, it has been determined that the creation of the universe was too unprobable to have happened randomly, and that some Supreme Being has to have been involved.

At first, Einstein had come up with a limiting factor in his equation describing the begining of the universe to compensate for the expansion that would occur (mainly because the thought was that without the limiting factor, the universe could also compress), making it so that the universe always existed. But a priest did his research, presented his ideas of removing the limiting factor, and when he presented it to Einstein, the scientist said "This is the most fantastic thing I have ever heard".

I could go into further detail, but the rest is very pro-Christian, and I dont want to offend those of other religions. If you are interested, and want a better description than what I gave, you may want to concider reading Sigmund Brower's book, "The Unrandom Universe". It is a very good book. Really, the reason that Religion and Science dont often seem to get along is because back in the Rennesance, when the Church was the highest power, the leaders of the church did not like any ideas that were contradictory to what they felt was truth. So even though Galileo could prove that the Earth was not the center of the universe, because the Church liked to think that God would put his prized creation in the center of everything, Galileo was hanged. That, and several other acts done by the church in those times, have managed to stay with us centuries later.

As I said before, I believe that no one should be able to force their religion on someone else. After all, when you think of it, Christians, Jews, and Muslims all worship the same God. But because we all have our own different ideas surrounding that same God, Jews and Muslims in the Middle East are constantly fighting.

It was said in the Bible that the Children of Issac and the children of Ishmael, who were both sons of Abraham (Issac through his wife, Ishmael through his slave-girl), both would end up with an empire of ancesctors (aka, the current Jews and Muslims), but that the two would always be fighting. But still, you'd think that they would at least want to try and stop the conflict.

But anyway, I've been rambling for some time now. I just wanted to share some of that with anyone who didnt already know. And as I said, if you are interested in reading about the relationship between science and Christianity, I highly recomend "The Unrandom Universe" by Sigmund Brower.

EDIT: I made a few spelling corrections, and I added a bit about Einstein's limiting factor. Just so you all know.
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GinjiAmano77 · Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:21 am Post subject:

blast78 · newbie! Joined: Oct 21, 2005 Posts: 14

My reliogion is sikism. its a religion thats only about 300-400 years old and is a combinatiion of Hindu and Muslim. Razz

It states that there is only one god for every religion out there, like christians, muslims, hindus have the same god. Rolling Eyes

kukreisis · Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject:

I am a Christian,although i am a good person i dont really know about Christianity but i believe in God and do good things to shave off my sins Very Happy

Kaiser · Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:00 pm Post subject:

I believe I am Christian but our entire family has drifted away from religion all together over the years. I do think there is probably a higher being and maybe an after life in the form of heaven and hell...

but I also think religion in general is probably one of the worst things that has happened to mankind. True, most religions tell people to act morally but in the face of history, no other beliefs or events have caused humans to kill or discriminate so many other humans.

Religion has been used to go to war, commit genocide, discriminate against others, and much more. Sometimes I wonder if the world would be better off if there was no religion and it was just people living with people.

No religious conflicts would exist. Its sad how much of the world's problems is caused by religion right now.

sadakuro · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:24 am Post subject:

pyrorecca · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:40 am Post subject:

A world without religion would be a world without fulfilment doncha think?

Religion gives many people satisfaction in their lives......Despite it's seeming drawbacks, it is great to have meaning in life. Though you could find meaning in life without religion......Just that it wouldn't be as sweet...

Sweets!!
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Rya · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:

frozen_chicken · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject:

Here it goes again another religion argument lolz. A world without religion is like a world without hope, people place their trust in the unknown which is kinda similar to having hope.

Spender · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:16 pm Post subject:

I can see why some people would want a world without religion. It does seem to be a source of alot of trouble. But I personally couldnt stand a world without religion. I mean, its only because I believe that God has his own plan for this world that I dont start freaking out everytime some scientists mentions the words "Earth" and "Asteroid" in the same sentence, and things like that.

I believe I said this in an earlier post. A life without faith is a life without hope. And a life without hope isnt really a life at all. If you want to put your faith in science, then I wont try to stop you. Its your decision. But I for one would much rather rely on God than on humans, seeing as how God created everything, and humans, it seems, are only capable of destroying at times.

Also, according to the Bible in the book of Revelations, when the anti-Christ comes to power, he will create what many might concider a perfect world. A united world, a world without religion. If the world forbids religion, then, if you want to go by the prophecies of the Bible, it is just another step closer to the completion of the Rapture (end of the world). I for one hope that God deems me to be worthy and allows me to reach Heaven before all that chaos starts.
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72391 · Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject:

totally agree with you spender
a life without hope is not a life worth living
if you exist just so in a few decades you can cease to exist and that is your purpose in life what kind of life is that?
I believe because well the fact that we have a thread with four page of discussion on it proves we are all searching for something in life if we have no hope then we might not as well exist
also religion itself is not a bad thing i believe but when religion is used for purposes it is not meant to be used for things go wrong
like for the crusades
jesus did not tell the christians to slaughter muslims or wage war he told everyone to love one another.
well that is my opinion

p.s. if you get the chance read the book a purpose driven life i found it to be really healpful
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