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Are humans really that fragile that they need religion for hope?
What happened to looking to the government for hope in things like social welfare, etc. or talking it over with friends, getting support from your family and such?
Sure humans are at fault, but they use religion as an excuse to promote their own ends. Al Qaeda is a prime example, do you know how many willing people they seem to have to die for their cause? Isn't that even a bit scary to you what religion can do? It was reported that even two sons of millionares blew themselves up in suicide attacks. I'm pretty sure they weren't looking for hope.
There is no "intent" for religion. Different religions are just the way people live, what they believe, or even what they believe to be true (above everyone else's, even if it comes down to raping others' beliefs, countries, etc.)
Religion will never be at fault as a concept. It is humans who warp it. Next thing you know, Buddhism will be criticized because some monks got out of control and beat people to death.
Joined: Nov 01, 2005 Posts: 689 Location: Behind you
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:23 am Post subject:
i am a christan not that it really maters to any of the people on this site of what religion you are _________________ Want advice DONT WORK AT WALMART... Theres your freebie...
Joined: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 216 Location: In a land of forever twilight
Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject:
Kaiser wrote:
Are humans really that fragile that they need religion for hope?
What happened to looking to the government for hope in things like social welfare, etc. or talking it over with friends, getting support from your family and such?
Sure humans are at fault, but they use religion as an excuse to promote their own ends. Al Qaeda is a prime example, do you know how many willing people they seem to have to die for their cause? Isn't that even a bit scary to you what religion can do? It was reported that even two sons of millionares blew themselves up in suicide attacks. I'm pretty sure they weren't looking for hope.
I rest my case why religion kind of sucks right now. Its being perverted to various causes other than what I feel its really intended for.
Yeah. I really want to put all my faith in the Bush Administration. The group that has turned the American government into one of the biggest beauracracies ever. Goverments are run by humans. Humans are not reliable. Sure, there are alot of people who genuinely want to help others, but these are not the people who often get far in politics, for some inexplicable reason. Very few politicians are totally in it to help their people. For the most part, they usually focus their efforts on bettering themselves. And those who do care for the people, as I said, do not usually get very far.
And religion itself is not the problem. As you seem to already be aware, the problem is that leader like to use it as propoganda. They like to make their followers believe that they are doing the things they do because it is what their God wants them to do. In reality, they are only trying to better themselves. For instance, Bush didnt invade Iraq because he believed it was his duty as a follower of God. He just wanted to get that oil, and get rid of Hussein.
Micheal Moore's "Dude, Where's My Country" is a good book that does an excellent job of exploring this. It even has a chapter called "A Letter from God", which talks about this very issue, and in his typical sense of humour. His movie, "Farenheit 9-11", also does a good job of revealing the truth behind things like the War on Iraq. I highly recomend both, if you havent read or seen them already (man, I'm turning into a huge promoter on this thread I should be getting paid for this )
Its fine if you dont believe in the same God I do, but I personally find it harder and harder as time goes to place all my trust in human beings.
Also, I like my religion because it is a religion based on love. God's love for his people, the love that he wants us to share with each other. He wants us to get into Heaven. That's why he's willing to forgive our sins as long as we give him all our hearts. No one who believes, no matter how dark a life they have lived, is excluded. Jesus was known for taking pity on those whom society treated as less than human. Jesus didnt tell anyone that the way to get to heaven was to slaughter your enemies, and even when he was wrongfully arrested, he told his disciples not to fight back. All he wanted to do was to spread God's word and teach other's to love each other as God loved them.
PS: I apologize to all who are not Christians if I came off a bit to much like a missionary there. As I have said in all of my previous posts on this thread, I am not here to convert. I am merely here to give my thoughts on religion, both in general, and in defense of my own.
My advice: If a political leader starts using religion to defend their actions, and start claiming that they are doing things in the name of God, stop listening. Its a load of BS. They are twisting it around to manipulate you, but if you dont believe it, then their efforts are in vain. If we stop letting them slaughter religion like they are, then those political leaders wont be able to use religion against us, will they? _________________ [IMG:500:100:5f9d323c6a]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/spender/Witchbladebanner3.jpg[/img:5f9d323c6a]
If you're out there, I'll find you.
i would disagree with this a little. a political leader may at some time do the right thing because he has been talked to by god like king david and solomon and etc. but not saying god talked to bush but we may never truly know... _________________ [img:500:120:ed381c252c]http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i301/ryder81/CItachi.jpg[/img:ed381c252c]
Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:27 pm Post subject:
GinjiAmano77 wrote:
Pretty long but he has good points...
Please don't force others to join your religion if they really refuse...
The choice is theirs, not yours....
If everything was coerced.... than we shouldn't have the right to live anyway...
It is so true, GinjiAmano77. I am a Christian and I also like to spread the gospel, but I don't force them. I just tell them slowly about Christian and that's it...
I think the main mistake that Christians made when they want to spread the gospel is to force it into them. That is NOT the main purpose of the gospel. Spreading gospel is like spreading the news. In the end, gospel contains good news of salvation. It is not supposed to be an ultimatum.
We can only do the spreading. For them to believe it or not, we can only pray and let god do His job.
Remember that we need to depend on Him on everything, right?? We have done our best in spreading the gospel so let Him do the rest. The main thing is even sometimes, Christians depended on themselves to spread the gospel, so they research on the best theology, methodology, etc and in the end, forget the true purpose of gospel.
For me, I am not constrained into any of them. I spread according to my style and knowledge of my friends. _________________ Innocent Tranquility
The Smile that defies all thoughts of rationality[/
Joined: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 216 Location: In a land of forever twilight
Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:
Jsy3k wrote:
GinjiAmano77 wrote:
Pretty long but he has good points...
Please don't force others to join your religion if they really refuse...
The choice is theirs, not yours....
If everything was coerced.... than we shouldn't have the right to live anyway...
It is so true, GinjiAmano77. I am a Christian and I also like to spread the gospel, but I don't force them. I just tell them slowly about Christian and that's it...
I think the main mistake that Christians made when they want to spread the gospel is to force it into them. That is NOT the main purpose of the gospel. Spreading gospel is like spreading the news. In the end, gospel contains good news of salvation. It is not supposed to be an ultimatum.
We can only do the spreading. For them to believe it or not, we can only pray and let god do His job.
Remember that we need to depend on Him on everything, right?? We have done our best in spreading the gospel so let Him do the rest. The main thing is even sometimes, Christians depended on themselves to spread the gospel, so they research on the best theology, methodology, etc and in the end, forget the true purpose of gospel.
For me, I am not constrained into any of them. I spread according to my style and knowledge of my friends.
I agree entirely. I've got this one friend in particular who is atheist, and most of her friends are atheist too (she lives in another city). I dont try to force them to believe, but if it ever comes up in a casual conversation, I wont hide the fact that I am a firm believer. _________________ [IMG:500:100:5f9d323c6a]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/spender/Witchbladebanner3.jpg[/img:5f9d323c6a]
If you're out there, I'll find you.
Well, I'm a humble guy and have Islam as my religion and still proud of it. Many people have been fooled by the media that Islam is equavalent to terror and all but it's not true.
Islam is derived from the Arabic root "Salema": peace, purity, submission and obedience. In the religious sense, Islam means submission to the will of God and obedience to His law.
Everything and every phenomenon in the world other than man is administered totally by God-made laws, ie. they are obedient to God and submissive to his laws, they are in the State of Islam. Man possesses the qualities of intelligence and choice, thus he is invited to submit to the good will of God and obey His law, ie, becomes a Muslim.
Submission to the good will of God, together with obedience to His beneficial Law, ie, becoming a Muslim, is the best safeguard for man's peace and harmony.
Islam dates back to the age of Adam and its message has been conveyed to man by God's prophets and messengers, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad.
Islam's message has been restored and enforced in the last stage of the religious evolution by God's last prophet and messenger, Muhammad.
The word Allah in the Arabic language means God, or more accurately, The One and Only Eternal God, Creator of the Universe, Lord of all lords, King of all kings, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful. The word Allah to mean God is also used by Arabic speaking Jews and Christians.
People nowadays ie the Talibans, al-Qaeda etc is out of the league of the true meaning of Islam. They believe in by using power and violence, they can change the world into a better place, a utopia but they are actually making it worse. I hope the people in this forum will understand Islam and pls don't underestimate it.
I also hope that I won't offend anyone by writing this post.
Joined: May 02, 2005 Posts: 307 Location: Mother Earth
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:13 am Post subject:
I don't think we would be offended by your post destromail... you're merely stating your case and telling more of Islam.
Anybody who is offended, I think you shouldn't be here then..... I'd even kick you if I could!
And your right destromail... the extremists, terrorists, etc. use Islam to their advantage... calling for Jihad from everywhere..... seriously this is very dangerous.... mixing up things to their own advantage...
Though I find that the language of the Koran is very restrictive.... I think it can only remain in Arabiac is that correct?
It can only be inspired in an original language and no other can bear it's miracle.. it's written in the Koran..
Yes, because it is a very heavy sin if the Koran is translated wrongly. Even one word that is wrongly translated, the true meaning of it will surely go off track. Anyway there are Koran with translations but the process of approving the translation is painstakingly long. Nowadays, it's hard to find Korans that have translations. Plus, it's better if the arabic language be learnt and understand the literature that it has by that language.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:11 am Post subject:
i guess it could be said that since the Koran is supposedly the word of God, directly dictated through Mohammed the Prophet (i have a strange urge to follow this with "peace be upon him" even though im not Islamic hmm) as opposed to other Holy Texts which contain theoretical inaccuracies, that Islam brings its followers closer to God.
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