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It's pretty sad when a new console launch recieves less attention than Mario cart DS.
What a difference compared to the US launch...
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"You know who they're trying to sell the Xbox 360 to here in Japan? Answer: girls who like novelty cakes. I swear. I'm not even kidding. Girls who like to spend about five hundred yen on a cake smaller than the palm of an adolescent hand. Normally these cakes don't even have chocolate, icing, Bourbon, or anything in them. They're just bland little cakes you eat for the hell of it. I guess you eat them because they're expensive. And they're expensive because people eat them.
This talking about cakes is more than me just looking for a reason to talk about cakes. You see, I bring this up because Microsoft saw fit to build a swanky "Xbox 360 Lounge" in the town of Omotesando, and one of the main draws to the place is cakes. These cakes are made by a famous Tokyo cakery.
Omotesando is, essentially, the town young ladies between twenty-two and thirty go to when they want to buy a brand-name handbag that costs them three months' salary. The city, as a city with that purpose, looks like the kind of place where someone can spend three months' salary on a handbag. At night, it's dark, and the streetlights glow white. Omotesando moves like a town underwater. It doesn't have much going on after seven, and it doesn't have much going on before seven, either. There are little shops devoted to one kind of scarf. And yes, cakeries.
Some of the girls in my company were looking over a cake menu for the Xbox Lounge. "Maybe we should go," they were saying. This was at lunch time. They were eating a box full of fried rice and little egg-things, and they were thinking about cakes.
that should've been expected from every living breathing soul that MS hasn't reaped...
I mean..c'mon..it's not like Japanese like American products too much..
that, coupled with the fact that PS3 is promised to be the most powerful console, and REV takes the most creative position--what does that leave for 360? The most mediocre console? Most 360 games would focus on FPS and American sports..oh, wait...I think other countries doesn't really care too much for American Football or WWF or whatever wrestling is called nowadays. To make things worse, most series are giving up exclusivity and going multi-platform.. so..really..what's the point? DVD players are dirt cheap in Japan, and people can get online with their cellphone from any street corners--so there goes 360 as online entertainment hub.
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:49 pm Post subject:
I heard that most of the xbox 360's in america are crashing and are going bankrupt stuff like that but it seems that they are having at least some success _________________ Want advice DONT WORK AT WALMART... Theres your freebie...
i guess my history teacher was right. History does repeat itself!
I don't know. My friend told me that the Xbox opening was a lot worse than this. Nonetheless, as seen from the reactions in this post, it was expected since what has Xbox done for Japan?
The post/article was rather entertaining and funny. However, I didn't like how these guys acted in such manner. They were talking so loud, pointing with their cameras at them, and disrespecting people like talking behind their backs in a different language because they know that they couldn't understand English well. I give them credit for giving such report. Though, these kind of people may also be the reason why the Japanese didn't touch the console from the display, hehe..
I don't wish ill will againsted Microsoft, but it is their own fault. They need to understand is that Japan has their own tastes, and they should market their console in those respects. Just making the console aesthetically pleasing to the Japanese does not mean great sales. If they really want to do well in Japan, they really need to start focusing on making more Japanese flavored games. If they start releasing power house RPGs on the console not only will they gain support in the Japan, but also from us Japanese minded gamers in the US.
I can never personally understand why mainstream media consider the Xbox for hardcore gamers and the PS2 for casual gamers. ?????
That is so confusing, must of us hardcore gamers who play RPGs usually like playing with our PS2 due to the level of quality and diversity the system has. The Xbox has nothing that a J-RPG fan would want, and the xbox360 is almost falling into the same issue. I have heard to possible 360 J-Rpgs, but most of those are still in development or in design phase (most will probably be cancelled).
I'm not a console fan-boy, I just stick with systems that have the games I like playing. The PS3 will have the biggest support from Japanese Developers, so I'll stick with them at the moment.
Come on Microsoft get with the program. _________________ Go Gitaroo-Man, go fight the mighty piano ships with your mighty Guitar AXE!
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:
Microsoft should've already known what JP gamers wants. Dating sims, RPG's, Adventure/Shooters, etc.
Most games on Xbox/360 are either FPS or Driving games...I personally own a Xbox but I only have 3 games for it...
yeah...they have a high processing CPU and cutting edge graphics but what's the use of all that if all the games from it are all the same? Change the name, add a few tweaks the first game didn't have, and give it a snazzy title way?
che...what a waste...what a waste. _________________ PS3 Trophies
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:49 pm Post subject:
byrc wrote:
I can never personally understand why mainstream media consider the Xbox for hardcore gamers and the PS2 for casual gamers. ?????
That is so confusing, must of us hardcore gamers who play RPGs usually like playing with our PS2 due to the level of quality and diversity the system has. The Xbox has nothing that a J-RPG fan would want, and the xbox360 is almost falling into the same issue. I have heard to possible 360 J-Rpgs, but most of those are still in development or in design phase (most will probably be cancelled).
I'm not a console fan-boy, I just stick with systems that have the games I like playing. The PS3 will have the biggest support from Japanese Developers, so I'll stick with them at the moment.
Come on Microsoft get with the program.
I always wondered about that too.
When you say "hardcore" gamer, I think about people that build their own arcade MAME machines and import super obscure games that even the Japanese gamers don't know much about.
So how did MS manage to convince the masses that Xbox was the next "thing" in gaming? Are racing, football, and GTA clones all really what the public thinks are for hardcore gamers?
The Xbox line of consoles don't offer anything exciting, most games are made for both the console and PC, I don't see the point of playing it on Xbox. One thing that may attract me to Xbox is DOA series, since I enjoyed the Dreamcast version very much. I'd prefer a Dreamcast over Xbox360 anyday. _________________ [IMG:258:200]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/ypark/sigs/3fsn.png[/img]
I just don't get it myself. It seems the media has categorized games like Halo and such to be hardcore since it is for older gamers (aka adults), who in their minds would have to be considered "hardcore" since any normal adult wouldn't be caught dead playing video games. They consider Casual gamers or casual games to be for children or teenagers. RPGs aren't even in the mainstream media's radar. Microsoft and the media has found a way to hijack the America's preception of what being gamer is like.
The way I see it is that the definition of hardcore has changed, and us gamers (who aren't under the age of 14) haven't notice that "hardcore" has changed in definition. Hardcore gamers in the 90s were exactly how silverkitsune described. Now the definiton has been changed since the mainstream media does not acknowledge the existence of Japanese gamers. It is nothing more than commercializing a subculture and using their homegrown terms to validate itself to future consumers aka. tweens. _________________ Go Gitaroo-Man, go fight the mighty piano ships with your mighty Guitar AXE!
don't trust medias other than gaming sites/magazines on anything related to games--just like never trusting Fox's report over a textbook.
Mainstream media has done nothing but try to destroy whatever they get their hands on--afterall, bad news sells.
But ..yeah, I'm a big j-RPG fan. Western stuff all copy eachother's gaming mechanics. Make an RPG that's not based on D&D rule, and no one will ever touch it. Then there's this thing with the setting always being either from a movie, a post apocolyptic world (like those crappy 80s movies), or some medieval type of thing. Honestly--look at 10 games--they'll all have pretty much the exact same design.
Then there's this thing about, if it bleeds-- a lot-- and has lotsa body parts getting chopped off, it sells attitude. How stupid and shallow can you get?
Lastly..I happen to enjoy stuff other than those pro-wrestling crap and American Football.
Edvin you're treading a thin ice. I use to think like you, but after playing so many j-rpgs you notice that it has the same issues as american rpgs. We find japanese rpgs interesting because they are different than what we normally see in american games. But after playing multiple j-rpgs over a certain amount of years, that there is also similar issue with them as well. Japanese RPGs mostly follow a formulaic plot-line concerning death of father, destruction of village, romance with another main character, or the death of a love one during the game. It is all pretty formulaic in japanese RPGs.
PC rpgs have a different flavor, that I personally don't get or like, that is why I stick with Japanese rpgs. Yet, if anyone criticizes Fallout, Baldurs Gate, Morrowind, or Neverwinter Nights they have hell to pay for such remarks.
In all honesty Japanese rpgs aren't really that original, especially after playing final fantasy after final fantasy, and playing the freak'n 10+ iteration of the shin megami tensei series. Most Japanese Rpgs fall within the realm of anachronism, mixing fantasy and sci-fi or pop culture and medievel setting. This type of hybridization what I like about Japanese RPGs that is why i'm looking forward to RFonline and Phantasy Star Universe.
Please don't criticize PC rpgs just because you don't like the settings they are based on. They are no less creative or original to Japanese rpgs.
Your remark concerning crappy apocalypic world setting is interesting since many anime fans are also sci-fi fans or cyberpunk fans. In the old days most anime fans were also Wiliam Gibson fans and most older anime fans were introduced to anime like Akira or Ghost in the Shell (both apocalyptic futures). Also keep in mind that the most popular FF game among the current generation is Final Fantasy VII, which also has an apocalyptic setting.
If you have a problem with game settings being reused over and over again than you shouldn't look any further than your own precious j-rpgs. They are also guilty of bleeding their franchises dry. This isn't just a refrence to final fantasy, but also the Saga series, Tales series, Atelier series, Dragon Quest series, SMT series, Y's series, Wild Arms series, Phantasy Star series, every single Nippon-ich game, and tons more. Currently the industy as a whole is deficient of orginality and creativity, yet there are games out there that keep the light shining in a world of franchises. Games like Rogue Galaxy are a great example of RPGs not losing their originality and quality. _________________ Go Gitaroo-Man, go fight the mighty piano ships with your mighty Guitar AXE!
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:20 pm Post subject:
Japanese RPG are probably worse at being a cookie-cutter game. But, being a cookie-cutter isn't always a bad thing. Some people would call such games "old skool". Take for example Dragon Quest series and Gamearts's games, though Gamearts doesn't make games like they used to. Those games are all following the formular. Let me demonstrate this to you. (I drew it just now )
Even among western style RPGs you can find pretty fun games.
Some of my favorites include: Star wars Knights of the Old Republic series, Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines, Gothic series. _________________ [IMG:258:200]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/ypark/sigs/3fsn.png[/img]
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:41 pm Post subject:
@byrc
Thanks, I just love incorporating pictures to my posts.
BTW don't forget the Japanese 2D fighting games and 2D shooters.
They probably lack the originality even worse than RPGs.
(haha those Japanese sure loves their fireworks)
But as ironically as it is, these are what I (and probably many of japanese gamers) want in the console. So Xbox360 doesn't have any of these popular genres available, thus it fails. Pretty simple equation.
The console I want most aren't PS3 or Xbox360, I want a Neogeo system. But I aint that rich. _________________ [IMG:258:200]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/ypark/sigs/3fsn.png[/img]
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