for people in the u.s. only

manwithnoname · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: for people in the u.s. only

what do all of you people in the u.s. think that the u.s. should do to the people who try to destroy our freedom and what measures they should use to make them pay for those who were lost in 9/11
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burp · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Dec 18, 2005 Posts: 55

Even though i am a citizen, and was born here, i can't help but feel that this "punishment" is more like taking over a country in the disgues of a freedom movement. I don't condone the idea of all of this. I am just saying that there are better ways to deal with this kind of thinking.
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v-boi2002 · Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:19 pm Post subject:

Declaring war on them is definately out of the question. Perhaps we could settle this over a cup of tea and... well, tea?
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Raiden · Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 5:32 am Post subject:

IF only wars can be made games...that way no one has to die.
Imagine if the Soldiers in Iraq and the Rebels just play CS and which team wons the wars over...no bloodshed needed.
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manwithnoname · Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:18 pm Post subject:

i think that alchida should be put in jail and not let out and all his hench men exiled where they won't cause harm and sadam got what was coming to him in the war made to hide in a spider hole was more than enough embarasment for a wealthy and powerful person however not enough punishment
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whiteleaf · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:50 pm Post subject:

I hate war, but I think with some people in the world, like terrorists, the only way you can stop them from killing more people is to go after them before they go after you. In 9/11, I don't remember us having invaded any other country- they attacked us just to attack us!! I don't think the terrorists can be dealt with over a "cup of tea". And I don't think the war in Iraq is going as badly as all the news stations say it is. I think most news reporting is biased and only half the truth.
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manwithnoname · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:17 pm Post subject:

quosimos · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:34 pm Post subject:

disclaimer: im Australian

you say that the only way to prevent terrorism is to kill the terrorists. you are assuming that all Terrorists are inherently evil. im not apologising for terrorists or making light of their actions, but the reality is that some terrorists are motivated by external causes which compel them to adopt ideologies and commit terrorist acts.

you should not only combat the terrorist but combat the ideology and the causes which drive people to adopt the ideology.

manwithnoname · Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:

Loveless · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:59 am Post subject:

Blow them up.

quosimos · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 5:42 am Post subject:

i personally have heard very little about any connections between Iraq - Saddam - Al Qaeda - WMDs
the US, UK and my own government have not pushed the line about Saddam being connected to terrorists for a long time. i dont know how much evidence they have. all i know is that i have been told nothing. so im concluding that Saddam never had much to do with those people.

but back to the point: killing terrorists and 'dismantling' their networks is one way of fighting terrorism but it isnt the one and only way.
are you going to kill every Islamic person who has a literal interpretation of the Quran and or has a grudge against the West?
If you kill, say...2 million Arabs are you going to discourage people from believing that they should murder innocents with car bombs?

would you include our governments as people who are 'destroying our freedom'?
new laws will be introduced to Australia next year which curb the freedom to excessively criticise the government and its ministers. the British Labour Party used anti Terror laws to throw out an elderly Party member who was criticising the actions of his government and party during a party congregation.
actually, out of 400 or so people arrested in the UK under the provisions entailed by new anti terror laws under 5 were prosecuted successfully. and none of those found guilty were charged of planning specific terrorist acts but for visiting terrorist camps and owning uniforms.

to sum up my dissertation Rolling Eyes

i believe that terrorism must be fought. i believe that terrorists should be punished. i dont think that our governments are taking the right actions. and i am sceptically of those who simplify the problem of terrorism.

kudos to you and thank you if you had the patience to read all the crap i just typed :]. as you probably suspect, i have a fair bit of time on my hands and i love to rant about this type of crap. i also take it pretty seriously hehe. i guess my distanced perspective makes me see things differently from other people so im not expecting everyone to believe what i believe.

manwithnoname · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 6:52 am Post subject:

quosimos · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:08 am Post subject:

sorry i dont understand what youre trying to say. what did Saddam say he had? you said something about terrorists still fighting even though Saddam had been caught. are you trying to identify Saddam as a cause or something?

haha i can never tell whether Loveless is being random or serious or both. he really is a kooky critter hehe in fact, he may be the craziest bastard on these forums after the founders of course

manwithnoname · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:17 am Post subject:

Blackthorn · Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject:

I agree with everybody that believes we need to dismantle the terrorist networks, but there are other things that need to be done to help fight terrorists. You need to stop people who could easily be turned into terrorist from making that choice. Most americans believe that you accomplish this by fear, but that's just retarded. If you make a people fear and hate you it makes them want to fight back. If you bait a group with a carrot (metaphorically) then they are less likely to go astray. Check spain for instance. They have adopted policies that make it there country feel more like home for arabs and everybody else who lives there. There communities have much less prejudice against people of other backgrounds. This definitely helps with people getting along there, and it diswades people from joining terrorist organizations. After all who wants to bomb there own back yard.
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