Mecha genre discussion and comparing rules page 1

leoxjm · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:50 pm Post subject:

Hi jckool! It was starting to get lonely here.

I can't download macross at home, because there I have a dial-up connection. it will be just as slow as here and with a horrendous phone bill to boot... If I do it here it is free. At least. But I really want to see that show, so I'll take my pic and get started.

Yeah, they totally turn red. For example, kazuki's eyes are normally brown, but when he's in his fafner they are red. And if you notice Canon's eyes in the babalon ar blue, like they normally are, so that is another difference between the Tatsumiya fafners and the N.U.N. stuff.

I also took a look at the new GW release. Looks cool, but I wonder how many episodes it contains. It is 35 dollars at amazon, and for half the series that is awfully cheap. not like I can afford it, but still... sounds like a good deal. I hope Kay enjoys it.

Oh crap! I have to go eat! The cafeteria is going to close soon... ok, I'll be back!!!
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jckool · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:58 pm Post subject:

man, physics takes up alot of your free time.. i get home at like 11 at night, and i'm leaving to work on my project at like 8 in the morning each day.. and..bleh, last year of high school..? =/..

anyway.. you're definitely right about the eyes, and the best example is probably the pilots from the UN, who were supposed to pilot the fafners and failed.. err.. ep 16 =p, too lazy to take screenshots, but their eyes turn red, and they havnt been genetically modfied or anything, so thats a major difference..

oh yeah, and speaking of kaykay, where DID she go anyway..? =/ come back kaykay! we miss you! =/...we do miss her right?
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kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

did i hear some1 call for me!?!..lol...just look and behold my psychicness~~!!..lol...and YES U do miss me! Smile

sorry u guys...i have been really lazy lately..plus nothing to0 productive has been happening around here @ a-S~!

anyways nice catch about the eyes leo~! seriously i have never noticed....usually i notice small details such as this :/ ~! YAY~! new fafner disc coming out this month~!

oh and about the new GW set.....yea it's like 39 bucks around here...but u know wat's weird...i took another looks at it online...and it says, "Complete Collection"....weird huh? i thought it was like half the collection.......at least that's wat i heard and wat i thought just by looking at the price. now me confused~!!! i hope it's the full collection..but i highly doubt it.

anyways leo sorry about the macross thing~!

oh it's ok...u can be any age u want..u don't have to be 13 and don't let anyone tell u otherwise Razz

~!..lol. speaking of ages.....i just turned legal /18 on march 14th~! ...me old now :/..lol. wat a great month..my b-day, women's month, competitions in cali and NY, and college acceptance or rejection letters..AHH don't wanna think about it!! lalalala~!

but yup yupperz~! oh and happy st. patricks' day for tomorrow~!

anyways after i get the new fafner dvd i'll let u guys know wat i think about it~! ....it has been so long since the last dvd!!..i wish it would come out quicker~! but o wellz~!
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mistabean · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:46 am Post subject:

Eureka 7 will be an epic, depending on how they end it. They already surpasses both Evangelion and RahXephon, only if they are worthy enough to stand alongside Macross and Gundam will be the final questions now
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kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

wow i didn't think e7 would be THAT good. i mean i don't think eva and raX. are too great...but they're still seen as "Masterpieces" or anime classics. but i didn't know that e7 would be amoung the "greats".

anyways do u think e7 is better than fafner as well? y or y not?~!
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leoxjm · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:38 am Post subject:

mistabean · Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:52 am Post subject:

well, from the story standpoint, Eureka 7 do have an advantage over Fafner because the story is solid so far. And for those who watched the raws, it will only going to get much more solid with the passing of the episodes. Also, the Acperiences episodes are quite simply the best episode in the series, complete with beautiful drawings and such.

Fafner's advantage is that they have the guts to kill off characters, which E7 sorely lacks. Also, almost all characters are given a chance to shine and develop, as opposed to E7 which have only maximum 7 characters that they developed. However, the character development in E7 is much more thorough and much more solid than Fafner's.
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eisenmeteor · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject:

Alright Im back for now at least... yeah Im a lazy bum.
Well first of then leo congratulations and welcome Very Happy

late as hell so you'll have to forgive me... I hope

Well yeah you could say that the fact that they dare kill off characters is one of fafners good points. I never liked it that much since I didn't feel anything for the characters that died, like I said before I just went meh they died.

And yeah E7 does not concentrate on every character that they're able to, a lot of the crew on the gekko-go are nothing but faces of people I didn't even know existed onboard. But on the other hand I did sympathize with the characters in E7 while in fafner I didn't so the fact that they don't focus on all the cast doesn't matter much to me.

jckool · Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:40 pm Post subject:

leoxjm · Posted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject:

eisenmeteor · Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 4:09 pm Post subject:

Yeah bit of none mecha part then

Leo: Yeah one of the resons Im not online as much is because of that since I don't have any internet at the new place... hell don't even have a telephone line yet. Also because Im a lazy bum... haven't been able to get into the old times with our mech talk yet.

jckool: Spoilers once again lol. Do me a favor shorten down my user name just call me eisen or if you rather use the nickname kk gave me GG. I don't know why but it actually bothers me when people use all of my username.

Now to the more serious part or ontopic part

The killing off characters in fafner like I said was a good part of fafner and added more to the story and showing us that they're weren't invicible or anything like that. And at the same time it's one of fafners flaws in my book anyway. Like I said before I never feelt anything when characters died and by this I mean I didn't feel anything for any character that died. The reson was simply because I never feelt like I made much of a connection to the characters and the cast was simply to big to fit into a 26 ep anime. I strongly belive that fafner could have become an even greater anime if they had made it longer and given it more time since not all the character are really given their chance to really shine as well as the flow feelt abit weird or off in the anime for maybe the first half or something. And I do agree with you that their deaths had meaning I just didn't care for them.

I also really belive in that if they had killed Kira in the end of GS it would have made it quite great and shot up how much I'd like it. This is one of the places where they should have killed off an character but didn't, but since it's Gundam he'd probably just die and then come back from the dead. But still it would have been great also it might have made GSD a much better anime then it is if Kira had died since at least that way he wouldn't have stolen the main character seat from Shinn and the anime might have worked.

As for E7 they don't try to cast the light on every character and bring them out. Fafner tried to make everyone important and have them all do something and show that they are important etc. E7 just concentrates on a handful of characters which also makes it easier to sympathize with the characters. I really love the episodes between 10 and 26 and the relationship Renton had with Holland it's something that to me brought out alot of character in them. The deaths in E7 could have been more dramatic and grand even if some where so, even so they were fairly good and it was sad to see them go since I liked them.

One thing I've always like that intruged me has been uhhh... don't know if it's the right word but despair in animes. True fafner has it but somehow they don't really pull it off as good as they could have. Going to other non mecha animes, I picked up shuffle and canvas 2 after seeing some talk about it around the forum and figured I'd see what people were talking about. Honestly I don't like them very much, typical harem anime that was pretty boring in it's way. There has however been a few points that caught my attention and made it worth watching just for those moments. If you haven't watched the anime and planning to I'll keep it as vague as I can, when they go over Kaedes story in Shuffle and when you get to see hirokis past in Canvas 2, those are the things I'll remember from those animes. I like the way they made them and it's abit to bad that fafner couldn't really stir it up as much.

leoxjm · Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:01 am Post subject:

OMG!!! Teh rant!!11one

Sorry, I have seen neither of those two "Despair Animes" so I'm having a hard time grasping the concept. I guess that you mean when people are in really crappy and desparate situations that are more likely to "break"them than to "make" them, right? Uhh... I guess that I just described pretty much every anime.... well, I guess I kinda understand your point anyway, if partially. I find those kind of things pretty intriguing too. I have *finally* figured out how to use IRC, so I'll see if I can get them.

Killing Kira at the end of GS would have been a great idea in retrospective. The first time I watched the ending of GS I thought that after all that killing him off would have been a bit of a cheap shot, but now it think it would have been OK, especially with the way he was handled in GSD. another thing that I thought really sucked terribly was the fact that they revived Mwu in the worst possible way. Good side: he was the resident Misterious Masked Evil Guy. Bad side: everything else. As an enemy the guy turned out to be full of hot air and was never a real threat. In the end he regained his memories in a cheesy, predictable and extremely unrealistic way. Killing him of was one of GS' great moves, in my opinion, and getting him revived like that just made me want to kill him until he died. Again. Anyway, I think that both of you guys are right, given the way things are right now in E-7 seeing a character die would be either a shrug in the case of the secondary/background characters or a NOOOOOO!!! (Darth Vader style, hehe) if it is a more important one.

jeez jckool... still having trouble with the spoilers? lol... And I don't get tired of that scene... I just like it a lot. They put good music in it too, so the effect is even better. Speaking of music, it was good to hear the first E7 Op again and the same goes for RahXephon.

Yay, just ordered my Vol 5 of fafner! should get here on wednesday!! and I'll still be busy with classes... (TT_TT) I'm hating my college life right now!!!!

Edit: Finally got the dvd, but the mistakes in it annoyed me so much I made a rant on it in the Merchandise forum. *sigh*.

Edit 2: Alone again.... *Hugs knees*
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jckool · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject:

well, its not that you're alone.. i wanted to post earlier, but i must've missed the thread =p that and i'll be gone for abit longer.. i have tons of things due =p

killing kira at the end of gs would've been the greatest thing fukuda has ever done. Well, if you think about it.. usually the main enemy of the main character is usually stronger than the main character himself, and the main char has to do something remarkable in order to win. If we look at things from Shinn's perspective, (who i think they should've actually developed instead of having him say the same thing over and over..), kira is the main enemy. It would've been a really nice ending or so, even though kira is so loved, if for one thing, shinn got at the very least SOME character development during the 50 episodes, and in the end did something remarkable to defeat kira, not necessarily kill him, but at the very least they could've had a better fight.. i really don't like the athrun vs shinn matchup either, and Rey is the most horrific excuse for a semi-main character/sidekick/minibadguy at the same time ever.

And thats my rant, which i think i kept spoiler free =) what an accomplishment! XD
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mistabean · Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:23 pm Post subject:

E7 has ended... now, we shall wait for the subs
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leoxjm · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:37 am Post subject: