Mecha genre discussion and comparing rules page 1

mistabean · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:24 am Post subject:

Well, to say the very least, pick up Eureka 7. It is at least MUCH better than GSD, maybe Fafner (but since it is still ongoing, I can't give a definite view)

Well in a sense though, Fafner is, to me, better than Eva in this sense (end spoilers involved, DO NOT PEEK KAY!!! Razz

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Fafner didn't have "Oh, let's create a new world where I/other person can be God!!" kind of thing. RahXephon has it, Eva has it, but not in Fafner. You got two types fighting the same sides. One being hellbent to kill the Mir, another is looking for a way for co-existence. And it was properly and well ended too. Yeah, it doesn't give much on that Mir thingy, but at least I feel the ending is complete and satisfiying (the same with TSR, major plotholes not covered but it was ended properly)

Especially when Soushi taught that thing the fighting style that involves sacrifice and pain, that really moved me a bit.

In Eureka 7, well first off it is a weird mecha (what, Surfboarding Mecha?!!) but the characters are all likable (heck even we love to hate Holland now Laughing

)and the story are very deep indeed. What's more, it's beautiful, the mecha sequence that is.
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kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

OMG!!!!! u guys suck!!!! there's like a no peeking kk spoiler in EVERY POST!!!! not fair!!!! ............so help me i'll peak soon!!

i'm still skeptical about E7......looks...blah to me......but it's not even released yet so i have time to debate weather i should watch it or not!

oh i already think fafner is better than eva......actually i think a lotta things are way beter than eva..lol. omg but seriously i looooooooooooove the way they designed the inside of the fafners..such kewl use of comp. animation right there~!

ok today i was looking at a newtype mag. and u know wat i noticed? .....kazuki and kira look so much alike!!! wtf?!!! they both have like black hair and red eyes......that's true right? i'm like not having a blonde moment or something right?! isn't that odd.....i guess GS work just had to go into fafner as well :/ ~!
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leoxjm · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:30 am Post subject:

eisenmeteor · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 7:28 am Post subject:

Sorry kay but your having a blond moment that's not Kira at all, remember how the new main character looked like Kira? Well that's him.
Also like leo said Kazuki looks more like Athuran with other colours, if you look at it alot of the characters looks like someone from GS. Maya looks like Mirellie or what her name was. Tsubaki looks alot like Frey in the intro etc. But then again that's to be expected since it's the same animator.

jckool: No Justice isn't supposed to have his backpack there since he sent it straight into Requiem and then Requiem blow up so he lost it. Have to say Justice looks kind of funny without his backpack or should I say plain.

Well you guys should puck it up that way you guys could tell kay what you think. Maybe if more people says it's good she'll pick it up after it gets licenced. Heck I think Im going to buy it afterwards.

So Im the only one who don't like fafner that much then? I didn't hate it since it was an ok series, I think I gave it about 6-7/10 on my review of it. For resons I've said before as well as I didn't like the flow in the first eps, it was as if something was missing in the was it progressed it was better later on but at first you know.

mista: Well the idea of surfing mechs are kinf of... odd but at least they can make abit of sweet moves with them and uhh tricks that looks good. Ohh yeah so far I still haven't gotten to understand what trapa is, I get that's what they're riding and such but what the hell is it.

kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

well i happen to agree with u on the flow of the eps. GG...and yea i don't think it's that good....bad it's not bad either.....i would rate it maybe a 6.5 right now...maybe 7....not sure..i have to see more. good thing i happened to pick up vol. 3 today Smile

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....new years present to myself.l.ol.

shoot,.......i keep forgeting kira and that other guy look too much alike...but yea i was close!!..lol.

well i'll give u my input on vol. 3 after i watch it tonight...i'm depending on it to pick up some speed...like i've been promised~!..lol.
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eisenmeteor · Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 9:22 pm Post subject:

See why didn't you listen to me kay? I feel so ignored Crying or Very sad

well tired as hell right now so short post.
Yeah they never did say why they looked so much like each other then again I can't say I care that much either since GSD was just not good.
Don't really remember what happened in the middle part of fanfer but since I still have it I could check it out but to tired right now. But I think it starts to pick up abit now and shows what happened to the world and such.

jckool · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 3:19 am Post subject:

hrm, if i remembered correctly the middle part of fafner was:
How kazuki goes out into the world and gets caught, blah blah blah, gets a new fafner, goes home, owns everything.. maya learns to fight in like 10 seconds.. all that i think..

omg Right of Left was so sadddd...i guess it was a prequel, so thats probably why.. the raw made me sad, imagine the subs.. =/ we do find out why soushi is so cold in fafner though.. everyone literally..dies... those old mass produced fafners were pretty much useless...

Eisen: Damn you jckool!!!!! Use spoiler tags!!! Damn you!!!! Evil or Very Mad

maybe I should start editing your post and write random and strange things in them from now on as punishment lol. Anyway try to remember the spoiler tags to next time since some of us haven't seen it yet.
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leoxjm · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:40 am Post subject:

Goddammit, jckool!!! edit your post for spoilers. This is what happens when I check the forum RIGHT AFTER I get my raw and RIGHT BEFORE I watch it. I get it horribly spoiled..... *sigh*

Have to wait for the subs, and see what they actually said. The few words I managed to pick up weren't enough.

And happy new year, everyone!!!
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jckool · Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject:

hrm? haha sorry.. i thought i had the spoiler tag end under that huge spoiler of ROL..heheh sorry >__>

think of it as my new years present to you... =/

anyway i guess we should wait until we discuss it then.. i understood enough of it to be sad about that.. haha
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kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

GG> y didn't i listen? cuz i'm a rebel ~!..lol...i dunno i guess curiosity...plus offtopicz and leo kept talking about how gr8 fafner is and all~!

anyways i just got done watching vol. 3 ....it picked up some speed....i still don't c wat really happens to them on the inside for piloting fafner...but wat happened to kazuki when he looked at his hands after talking to maya looked kewl..plus it did give some hint as to wat piloting fafner is doing to his body~!

ok there's something i have to ask.......is soshi...watever his name is...and kazuki in love?....cuz wow....it really seems that way..maya keeps asking soshi, "have u told kazuki ur feelings?"..and he's all like "i thought we understoond each other"..and blah blah blah..lol. actuallly now i'm even more puzzled..like wat was up with kazuki cutting soshi's
eye~!?..freakiness~! i'm guessing that all my questions won't be answered to much later...probably the last vol.~!

well i guess i have to wait for the 4th vol. to come out...won't have time to talk as much or watch anime for awhile though since i go bak to school tomorrowz :/ ~! well tty laterz~
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eisenmeteor · Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:39 am Post subject:

New years present huh I want to exchange it and get the money back Very Happy

Still waiting for the subbed version of Right or Left... sure taking it's time oh well, shouldn't complain.

I don't think they mean it in as love more like talked about the situation and such. I don't remember that much from fafner but I think it was because Kazuki is going through some stuff and Maya feels he needs support from Soushi since they're best buds you know. And Soushi is well he thinks they have this silent bond that they don't need to talk about it and that Kazuki gets that all he needs to do is pilot fafner or something.

But yeah the Kazuki cutting Soushis eye will be explained so at least you'll find out the answer to that.

What happens to them for piloting fafner is the assimilation thing, do you remember Kouyo or what his name was? The one who blammed Kazuki for Shoukos (The sick girls) death. Remember what happened to him? If you do then you more or less have the answer to what's happening to them. It's like being slowly assimilated by the aliens

kaykay · Shogun Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 2622 Location: Cali

oh so the result of piloting fafner for too long is a slow process of assimilation? that seems so weird though...it should only happen if the aliens do it to u..not from piloting the fafners...oddness~!

i dunno....soushi and kazuki seem a lil too close if u know wat i mean..lol.jp~! i was just wondering cuz i'm watching the english "version" so i thought that certain scenes were taken out or something~! but still, their relationship/friendship seems a lil odd.

u know wat's funny? i didn't even notice anything was wrong w/ soushi's eye until that very ep. (a lil bit before they mentioned the incident).
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eisenmeteor · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject:

Just saw the subbed version of left or right and it made me think a little bit more about the fafner series. Even if I go on about the bad points the show has it's strong points as well. Like I said the flow in the series is so so at first but it does get better now that I rewatched some of it. Also the music is some of my favorite music in anime, really the songs from Angela. And the story is a good one, still there's the points I don't like which took it down a few notches. Still think the show could have been great insteed of average if it were longer.

Anyway thoughts about left or right, thought the outcome of it was pretty obvious like you knew from the start what would happen. If they had shown this before they made the fafner series it would have been less obvious what was going to happen, also made a pretty damn good impression/impact of the series. But still I liked it, the flow was pretty good in it the characters were ok and so was the story. The only thing I can complain about right now would be the character design why do they like to make them look so much like each other.

I still don't know about the Kazuki and Souchi thing, maybe Im just in denial about it but I never really feelt like it was like that. They had alot of stuff going on and all yeah sure they had some moments were it seemed like it but it's not like it was without reson. For example when you find out about the eye thing.

kay: Ohh and for why it's a slow assimilation process, I don't remember if they said it at first but they probably did. There's mir in fafner... Im not sure how to explain what mir is incase you don't know. Maybe leo of jckool can explain it since I just suck at explaining.
Never noticed the eye thing with Souchi either until they said it, they didn't make it that obvious with the scar and all since it don't really stand out that much.

jckool, leo: Have you guys picked Eureka 7 yet? Ahh hope you have, remember slow start so remember to give it a shot until at least until it hits the double digits and a little more Very Happy

leoxjm · Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:40 pm Post subject:

Happy to oblige eisen! I've been out of it for a while... Sorry.

Anyway, most of this stuff would be explained in DVD 4, when Kazuki arrives at moldova. It IS a bit of a spoiler, but a relatively minor (and technical) one. I also go a bit into the reason the N.U.N. wants Tatsumiya's Fafner, because it is a small part of the answer. I'll use tags just in case you don't want to see it anyway:
Ok, by now you should know that the NUN has its own fafners, such as Megatherion (Michio's) and Babylon (Canon's). These are Gnosis model Fafners, if I'm correct. Anyway, Tatsumiya's Fafners are Nothung Models, which have some differences. First, the Nothung Models pretty much become an extension of the pilot's body (meaning that the pilots feel everything their Fafner would feel, not only pain). The NUN's fafners are piloted, not felt. Second, the Nothung models are attuned to a particular pilot with a sinergetic code. Not everyone can pilot them. Third, they are faster and more agile than the Gnosis models, although I don't think the difference is significant. Finally, and the reason why their pilots are slowly assimilated into them is that the Nothing Models contain Festum cores as part of them, which is the element of assimilation but I think
it is necessary for the pilots to interface with the fafner the way they do... elaborating would probably spoil more than I'd like, so I'll stop there, but those are the diference between fafners and that is why their pilots get assimilated by them. After watching Right of Left I also noticed think that the Titan model has several similarities to the Nothung model, but it also incorporates a built in Siegfried system (which the Nothung models lack.

Well, finished watching Right of Left subbed. It was pretty damn good, in my opinion. My only complain is that it could have been longer: two hour-long episodes, instead of just one, because it felt a bit rushed. They actually managed to pull a relatively spoiler-low prequel, and pretty good as a standalone. Everybody should watch it (especially Kay). About the ending, it didn't have to be like that. Yes, we know that those characters don't show up in the series, but there are alternatives to that end, such as getting stranded on another island, or getting caught by the N.U.N., or use your imagination. Anyway, it WAS, the most predictable outcome, but it was still sad to see those guys go. At least we get to see a previously unseen Fafner, the Mark II... Too bad it is just a cameo. I wanted to see Karin actually do something with it. Now I feel kind of bad when I think she died in a black orb commuting to her Fafner instead of using it to protect the Island.The only returning Mecha is the Mark I, Soushi's designated Fafner. Anyway, although the Titian Model looks nifty it turns out to be a piece of crap for its pilots. Apparently the combination of Siegfried and Fafner in a single unit accelerates the assimilation... no wonder they moved on to the Nothung model instead.

Kazuki and Soushi... errr.... I don't think they are gay, but they do care a whole lot for each other, maybe a bit too much for comfort. There are hints about that, but that is pretty much it. Nothing too concrete, so I just leave it at that.

I still haven't got E7. I have just started it. I finally cleared up enough HD space to get it, so it is a good time to start.
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