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Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Hertford, England
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject: Upcoming Project
I am looking for two, maybe three test readers for the first few pages of a new Webcomic that I will be releasing soon. Applicants will recieve a zip file containing the first 20 pages and then asked to write a critique.
NICE GUYS FINISH LAST
MEET THE GIRL OF YOUR DREAMS, FALL IN LOVE, AND LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER . . .
At least that's what is SUPPOSED to happen, but as Daniel find out - love has a nasty habit of creeping up on you. Now, together with his best friend Xurin, he's got to contend with not just one, but two women. And that might be the least of his problems if he doesn't learn the script before curtain up and get that coursework finished pronto!
well i viewed your whole gallery and although the realistic, photo designs are interesting, you anime/comic art style needs work. along with your spelling and grammar.
its... alot like megatokyo style. although the anatomy is all wrong and i don't see good backgrounds.
personally i think its too early to start a webcomic but just my opinion. anyways, practice and experience is always good. another thing... check this place out:
How Not to Run a Comic _________________ [img:194:68:40fea01228]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/HTMLka0s/ajbanner.jpg[/img:40fea01228]
Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Hertford, England
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 7:00 pm Post subject:
I've been running a VERY popular Megaman Doujin for 3 years now to excellent reviews, despite the fact that it was doodled onto notepaper during lectures, and have developed the style you see there after 5 years of university art tuition. I am a working Graphic Designer / Illustrator who has published comics, so my style can't be THAT bad can it? I ask that you don't take the contents of a gallery kept for doodles and fun to be a total summation of my artwork.
As for punctuation, etc. I have an editor for that. As mentioned the gallery linked is just somewhere I kick about images that I happen to take a shine to. Some of those images are upto 5 years old, especially those near the back of the gallery. But please look to your previous statement for bad use of the english language.
Could we keep the comments to the image linked please?
----LATER NOTE----------------------------------------------
Sorry if that sounds a little harsh, it sounded more casual when I was writing it.
yes but im not the one writing the comic now am i xD
i noticed the megaman thing and took a look around. okay i'll take your word that its been popular, but im not impressed. the background detail is almost nonexistent.
as for your "5 years of university art tuition" i seriously don't believe it. im currently in a specialized art high school and ive seen freshman who can do better.
-- back on topic. as for the picture, the anatomy is completely off. okay well its better than some other crap ive seen but this still isn't good. the hair of the girl to the far right, it seems fine but the rest needs work. (real chunky, not hair like at all. and i mean i know animes like dbz have the chunky kinda hair but it still has that...correct hair flow thing. im not sure how to explain)
the way the neck and shoulders connect, is wrong. some necks are too thick (girl in the middle) and all their shoulders are too small.
the face of the girl to the far left, her features are all squished together so that's another point.
oh the boobs on the girl in the middle are too high. there seems to be no face structure at all (i.e. cheek bone, sometimes even the chin, etc.)
ok i need to go so uhm. yah. keep workin on it though. and please please please dont say my critiques are wrong because its ur "style". i hate it when ppl say that x_x
--- its okay to be harsh sometimes. try out megatokyo sometime. (the art forums) the C&C you get there's usually more helpful than the C&C you get here. (sorry AS! ^^; _________________ [img:194:68:40fea01228]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/HTMLka0s/ajbanner.jpg[/img:40fea01228]
Joined: Sep 05, 2005 Posts: 14 Location: Hertford, England
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:15 pm Post subject:
I apologise if this sounds like a harsh rebuttel, but believe me or not I AM a qualified BA with 1.1 and a BETEC diploma of the arts as well. I am sure that launching an attack on my career is a very impressive move for a highschool student, but I remain somewhat less than impressed. I have made a living out of what I do, and believe me it is a LOT harder than you would believe it to be.
In 12 forums across the net, yours is the first crass comment I have encountered. I posted on forums on which I am not normally associated and recieved very positive feedback Fred (the artist and co-creator of Megatokyo) among them. Three servers have even offered me free webspace for the comic.
As for the way in which these people have been drawn, they are supposed to be different shapes and proportions. People ARE. The girl on the far right is the girl of the protagonist's dreams, and so she is by nature more correct than the others. In comparison we are supposed to see flaws in the other two, the far right is a harsh character and so she reflects that, as does the central figure who is shorter and more podgy. Besides all of this, I am drawing freehand with a large-nib pen and then adding detail with a finer one as an exercise in different ways of drawing. The comic is layed out using black and white freehand images over hand painted colour backgrounds to deliver a dream-like quality and to make use of the human colour perception. But I suppose that this would count as what you call a 'style' and we can't be having with any of that now can we?
I find it strange that the points you have picked up on as 'wrong' are some of the things others across the net have picked out as being what they liked about it.
All I asked was for anyone who wanted to read the comic to apply. You could have said no, but instead you decided to attempt to be clever and instead succeeded in being rude. I really do feel rather sorry for your tutors.
maybe it lacks details. But then again, it IS you style, as you say. The girl on the right seems in pain or sumth tho.
IMO, always receiving positive remarks isn't really a good thing tho. My old drawings used to receive good comments too (what with ppl goin 'wahhh' and 'ooo's) but now that I've improved (A HELL lot too), when I flip through them, the only thought that comes to mind is "Man, these drawings suck."
I thought when it comes to drawing, we use freehand all the time. I mean, at least I do. Is there suppose to be any other way?
You shouldn't be surprised that there are ppl who might not take a liking to your style. Besides, as you say, ppl come in all shapes and proportions, not to mention likes and dislikes too.
I'm still a high school student, no diploma, no art tuition whatsoever but I comment not that I can do better, but because I've seen better. Don't we all, really?
However, if you do wish to start a webcomic, fine by me! afterall, it is the story that matters in the end. And sorry but I never was a fan of romance -based plot and the lot.
Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 364 Location: somewhere out THERE
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 9:43 am Post subject:
gawd enzer, you really are rude... the standard of art here can be high, extremely high... or just very low... to us.. more specifically to me, you art DOES NOT STAND OUT... so what if you are a qualified BA with 1.1 whatever sh*t... i mean comon man, you drawing of the three girls from the link so CANNOT be compared with other works from other people in this forums... go look a ghost and kamen mangaka, i mean, this is a place to get critics and comments, don't expect everything to be a good comment, you don't learn a shit bout anything unless there are problems in the art. yours kinda looks like a childrens or teenagers doodle... and your being too harsh on artistic junke29. She HAD NO REASON OR RIGHT TO ATTACK YOUR CAREER, or whatever you call it...
i admit that your other works are better, but there is a great room for improvement, for anybody... i love your posters, some are great... but for this three girl picture, it really really isn't nice... for some art graduate, you should be doing much better. i mean, this "STYLE" of drawing, as you call it, can be done by many all around the world. Your whatever good feedback from "13 forums", with some even "giving free webspace to host"... the people here are not interested... we here enjoy art, fanart... we give criticism, and the artist is expected to accept it, and improve according to what is lacking... this is how the community works here... so you can exclude us from your record of 13 forums with all good feedback... cause we will be a black mark etc.
And finally, i would like to apologise to you if i offended you, im sure i did... i was in a fit of rage, you were not right to criticise aj29s post, i hope you know that yourself. Once again, i apologise to all who will be angry at me for making this post... admins can delete this and delete my points... sorry for the rantings....
"A real artist knows how to recieve criticism graciously..."
- By jiashore
Joined: Mar 17, 2005 Posts: 260 Location: Dead St.
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:
whooah it looks like a war is going to happen here. cool down fellas.
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder is what they say, so you must understand that the opinions of every people is different and its up to you if you'll be angry at those persons who have critiscm on your work or strive harder to be better and blow their mind the next time.
I won't comment on the webcomic cause i didn't get to see it, but i think the drawing looks good and suites the title webcomic. I think that's the way they supposed to look. Note that manga and webcomics are way too diff. cause most WC only uses simple lines while manga is all about the details.
BTW i just want to thank artisticjunke29 for the great site.
Good luck on your Webcomic. _________________ Fly! FLy! Flyyyyyyyy!
Woah. Setlle down. Further dispute might lead to the closure of this thread.
I'm sorry jia and aj, but I think I gotta agree with the "It's his style" reason. Although it's not as STUNNING as the real mangakas has done, because really, how many people on this world can draw ultimately good stuff?
Maybe you guys have been searching for the "realistic" and mind-blowing works. Enker's drawing are superb for me. Just like how Picasso's abstract paintings was turned down at first, his style is different, unique and quite good.
Maintaining a different style than others is hard. Especially with the pressure that you have to be "in" with the crowd. So settle down and don't force people to CHANGE their style of drawing just because you don't like it.
Although yes, his drawings are simple, as in my school, only few are gifted with talents worthy of being a TRUE mangaka style. But that's NATURAL, ok?
Settle down. Let's do this again. Tune down the criticisms, cause even though crticisms are very well encouraged, frankness might very well be border-line rude.
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i mean comon man, you drawing of the three girls from the link so CANNOT be compared with other works from other people in this forums... go look a ghost and kamen mangaka
This are the types of comments that you guys have to refrain from doing. PLEASE DON'T COMPARE OTHER WORKS. It's really offensive. Trust me, even I felt hurt reading this.
I implore you guys to keep the offensive snips to the PMs, as what is stated in the Fan Works Forum RULES made by Angelking. So cool down, ne?
Angelking wrote:
The Rules:
1. There will be no flaming in this forum.
We only allow constructive criticism and good feedback. Things like "You suck", "That was horrible" or things similar to that, will not be tolerated.
okay let me explain my comment of do not use style as an excuse.
this will go towards the breasts of the girl in the middle. i dont believe it is due to style that they are placed so high up on the girls body where theres barely enough room to have her arms connect to the shoulders. what i thought was that even though there are many styles, yes, correct anatomy should still be shown.
once again, i apologize for the misunderstanding. _________________ [img:194:68:40fea01228]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v53/HTMLka0s/ajbanner.jpg[/img:40fea01228]
Haha, okay. That's assuring. I thought you hated his work. But at least now you say that you didn't, that what you just say is the her breast is too high.
Okay, that's allowed. But please don't overflow this thread with TOO much criticism, hehe. I think that was the reason he got infuriated in the first place. You criticized his work so much as though he entered a full-blown manga drawing contest
Anyway, I just hope you guys settle this once and for all. You probably might have scared him away just like that. We really encourage people to post their works, so please encourage them too~ _________________ EX-mod
as for your "5 years of university art tuition" i seriously don't believe it. im currently in a specialized art high school and ive seen freshman who can do better.
-- back on topic. as for the picture, the anatomy is completely off. okay well its better than some other crap ive seen but this still isn't good. the hair of the girl to the far right, it seems fine but the rest needs work. (real chunky, not hair like at all. and i mean i know animes like dbz have the chunky kinda hair but it still has that...correct hair flow thing. im not sure how to explain)
there is no need to compare someones art with anothers.
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the way the neck and shoulders connect, is wrong. some necks are too thick (girl in the middle) and all their shoulders are too small.
i dont find anything wrong with the way Enker has dont this. it looks fine to me.
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the face of the girl to the far left, her features are all squished together so that's another point.
yes, they are a little squished together, and theres something that may need a bit of improvement.
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oh the boobs on the girl in the middle are too high. there seems to be no face structure at all (i.e. cheek bone, sometimes even the chin, etc.)
true that the breast are a little high, but its hard to draw something like that. at least for me... i looked at the face of the middle girl for a minute and theres nothing wrong =that i can see= with it. i think that the middle girl is the best looking one there. despite the breasts.
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keep workin on it though. and please please please dont say my critiques are wrong because its ur "style". i hate it when ppl say that x_x
this is good, positive comments are very welcome.
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gawd enzer, you really are rude... the standard of art here can be high, extremely high... or just very low... to us.. more specifically to me, you art DOES NOT STAND OUT... so what if you are a qualified BA with 1.1 whatever sh*t... i mean comon man, you drawing of the three girls from the link so CANNOT be compared with other works from other people in this forums... go look a ghost and kamen mangaka, i mean, this is a place to get critics and comments, don't expect everything to be a good comment, you don't learn a shit bout anything unless there are problems in the art. yours kinda looks like a childrens or teenagers doodle... and your being too harsh on artistic junke29. She HAD NO REASON OR RIGHT TO ATTACK YOUR CAREER, or whatever you call it...
there is no need for caps locks here. its rude and offensive. even for C&C. same with the cursing.
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yours kinda looks like a childrens or teenagers doodle...
this is NOT acceptable. i am a teenager, and i cant draw like that, i wish i had to the talent to draw something even remotely close to this. so dont say its a childs doodle, because it aint.
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I really do feel rather sorry for your tutors.
enzer, there is no need to add more fuel to the fire. an attack like this and some of the others certainly is not needed. if its about the art, then keep it about the art.
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for some art graduate, you should be doing much better. i mean, this "STYLE" of drawing, as you call it, can be done by many all around the world.
although this is an opinion, its still flaming. negative comments are welcome, but nothing too negative and nothing against the artist will be accepted. perhaps, this style may be done by many around the world, but there are still many that CANT draw something like this.
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we give criticism, and the artist is expected to accept it, and improve according to what is lacking... this is how the community works here
true, however the artist is not expected to accept it, but rather take it into consideration for the next piece of work.
ok, i hope that we are all clear on this. and meganekko, im sorry for taking too long.
C&C is welcome and encouraged, but anything else, such as negativity should be keep to the PM as meganekko stated. we all must understand that art is subjective and that taste is different depending on the person. _________________ [img:567:138:151453bb6b]http://www.anime-source.com/upload/uploadFiles/wahagifsda.gif[/img:151453bb6b]
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hola i saw my name thrown in there somewhere haha. but about the art, it's alright. keep working at it, you're doing ok. i checked out your gallery and it has your style and also some where you penciled over a photo which is alright. a lot of artists do that and they can come out well.
but i will suggest practice and study on anatomy. you have lots of reference so thats not a problem. keep drawing everyday and you'll improve. but don't rely on "it's my style" excuse. we all have seen pro work so most ppl that like anime, manga, comic, whatever, will know what they like to see and what's good especially the producers.
i am not pro or have a degree or whatever. i've seen young folks grow into huge artists like joe mad, skottie young, lesean thomas, etc. sometimes it's just talent and sometimes it's going to be the amount of work you put into it.
this art forum is very tame actually. go to a comic forum and post stuff, they'll either get on you or not post at all and your thread will fade away into the 372059729023784th page. so play nicely kiddos!
if yall really want to see amazing art...go research the artists of comic books, anime, manga that you like. most likely the work they do will blow you away and inspire you.
Joined: Sep 20, 2005 Posts: 364 Location: somewhere out THERE
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:54 am Post subject:
Ok, sorry for the flaming, done in a fit of rage... gomenasai once again...
and to not go off topic, the picture of the three girls shown can be improved, in terms of anatomy, like many others said. but the other pictures are good...
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i saw my name thrown in there somewhere haha. but about the art, it's alright. keep working at it, you're doing ok. i checked out your gallery and it has your style and also some where you penciled over a photo which is alright. a lot of artists do that and they can come out well.
