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mistabean
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SniperTak wrote:
KFM, you fail badly. For one,

We do not know whether or not vincent is really the second proxy. We do not know if the second proxy is really a proxy. What we do know, is that Vincent has had contact with Vincent. At the very end of episode 3, Vincent did not start turning into Proxy, he mearly OPENED HIS EYES. He kept his eyes shut, because his face with his eyes shut would give him the face of an "ideal citizen". But, now, since he is no longer a citizen, he can open them up. Read the very last few lines carefully, he says "I could not become an ideal citizen in the end".



but all things are pointing to him being a proxy though. The flashbacks in his mind, and also how did he survived the second attack with the proxy? However, it can be a situation where he got some kind of an alter-ego when he opens up his eyes... and he will not remember a thing during that time
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm very impress at this series. I've watch it just today all the 3 episodes. I was right when I watch it that it was made by Ghost in the Shell as I read the earlier post.

I really keeps me on my seat. Much suspence happening in these 3 episodes. And this will be on my new anime list. Since I don't have any more coz most of em are ending. I recomend this anime for old teens tho as for those blood spalttering.

BTW, I like this Lil girl Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SniperTak,

Explain how Vincent survives fighting a proxy twice if he's not a proxy? There were 2 proxies in lil's bathroom. Vincent was never in her appartment, yet his medallion was found there?

The thing with his eyes tho is that in the end of episode 1 the "vincent" proxy looked Lil straight in the eyes as he ran his thumb over her lips. Lil had never seen Vincent's eyes before he opened them in ep 3. This is where she realises who Vincent is.

Also from Vincent's "dream" he says something like "I'll see his face this time" meaning that there were previous "dreams" of the same sequence. That this time he would remember who he was looking at. The other man in the dream could possibly be the proxy inside him. If the proxy takes over, I dont think Vincent remembers what happens. Explains why he has no clue why the police would be after him.

Anyway, theres more evidence pointing to the fact that Vincent is the 2nd proxy than there is not.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, so much great insight. What I got from Lil looking at Vincents eyes were that she did remember seeing his eyes when he turned into the Proxy in episode 1. Either that or she likes the way his eyes look?! Who knows, what a great series, didn't think it would be this great.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fail.
Do i still need spoiler tags? ah well, might as well. Dont wanna get in trouble.
At the end of episode 3, Vincent opens his eyes. He also states "over, its all over". That means that he is still in his own state of mind after he opens his eyes. AKA, if his alter ego were to come out, then he would change into Proxy, but yet as we can clearly see, he still has his own previous state of mind. Therefore, his eyes opening has nothign to do with becoming someone else.

Another thing, down there in the confrontation with Proxy. In the bathroom, proxy and the second guy were fighting. But, if Vincent really was the second guy(oh, notice how i do not refer to the second guy as a nother proxy, since we do NOT know whether or not he can be refered to as proxy) then when proxy confronted him, there wouldve been a quarrel. Yet, as we can clearly see at the end of episode 2, it looks like proxy is embracing him, rather than tearing his head off.


To KFM:
He does not konw why the police is after him, because he believes he is innocent. And he is. By his own statement towards the police, he arrived at Lil Mayers house, because he recieved a distress call or some sort of information about an infected Auto-rave. He tells the police to check the files, that can confirm his statement. Therefore, he WAS in the vicinity of Lil Mayers house, and possibly rescued or spyed on her, before getting scared and running away. Now, this is all hypthetical, and i am NOT sure whether or not this is accurate. The episodes to come will prove me right or wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This series looks pretty promising, anyone know if there is a DDL anywhere?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is IRC bad? IRC is like a DDL, through the server. Use IRC, it rules DDL.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the naked spiky red hair dude by the sewer with the same neklace as Vincent (episode 1)? Or maybe that's Vincent when he came to the city... Episode 1 also had some long hair dude smashing another guy's bloodied head onto the wall... was that the escaped proxy?

Oh, and the OP song for Episode three rocks. The opening had a scene where Vincent was screaming towards the heavens and then at the end of it, he had a longer cape......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piff, people say that the dream that vincent has in the begining of episode 3, is showing his alter ego who is the first monster that confronted Lil. But, i believe this to be wrong. Totally wrong. Why? Because, in his dream, his alter egos Hair is alot shorter, and alot less jagged than that of the first monster.

That red haired guy... im not sure what he is, and we do not know if hes vincent. I doubt it. YOu people say "but the necklace is the same! Look at the necklace you dumb fuck", but i say you to, dont be a dumb fuck, theres a high possibility that there are MULTIPLE COPIES OF THAT NECKLACE. Just like how SONY makes THOUSANDS OF THE SAME MODEL OF LAPTOPS, that necklace could have a few copies as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SniperTak wrote:
Fail.


Another thing, down there in the confrontation with Proxy. In the bathroom, proxy and the second guy were fighting. But, if Vincent really was the second guy(oh, notice how i do not refer to the second guy as a nother proxy, since we do NOT know whether or not he can be refered to as proxy) then when proxy confronted him, there wouldve been a quarrel. Yet, as we can clearly see at the end of episode 2, it looks like proxy is embracing him, rather than tearing his head off.



The two monsters in Lil's apartment at the end of Episode 1 were both proxies. Ive looked at the official website for Ergo Proxy and it has character descriptions. There are two proxies, Ergo and Monado. I believe the first monster with the longer hair is Monado while the second one who awakens at the beginning of episode 1 is Ergo, but the images of the characters are just sillouhettes so I can't tell for sure.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like Shinsen Subs had jumped on the Ergo Proxy bandwagon.

Which fansubs is everyone gonna follow?

1. Y-F & A-U
2. jelly caption team
3. Anime-Kraze
4. Shinsen-Subs

Has anyone seen what quality the Shinen-sub release of ep 1 is like?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just picked up on the series, and thought that it was a great start. A question for the subbing: is the information provided at the end of the Shinsen version unique? Cos it was v helpful and interesting for background.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeekerDarksteel wrote:



The two monsters in Lil's apartment at the end of Episode 1 were both proxies. Ive looked at the official website for Ergo Proxy and it has character descriptions. There are two proxies, Ergo and Monado. I believe the first monster with the longer hair is Monado while the second one who awakens at the beginning of episode 1 is Ergo, but the images of the characters are just sillouhettes so I can't tell for sure.


What? where? I cant find that information on the official site anywhere...

Oh, and i heard Nanashi and another group is doing a joint for this too.. Might be one of those that you already stated, but still.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've watched only two eps of this series and i think its pretty kick ass compared to most anime that is out now.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SniperTak wrote:


What? where? I cant find that information on the official site anywhere...


Err, sorry, not the "official" site. It is, I think, the site for Ergo Proxy hosted by the television network.

Linkey

Following the link may contain spoilers, especially if you can read Japanese better than I can.
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