communism vs. facism

mortified · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: communism vs. facism

in your opinion which is worse?
being a communist country or being a facist country

i think facists are worse
(just because hitler was one)
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Calindor · newbie! Joined: Dec 17, 2005 Posts: 42

Both are horrible but communism is the worst because it talks of a great cooperation between people of the country but in the end its just lies and corruption. Fascism is at least upfront about what it is.

injiyuu · Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:28 pm Post subject:

first things first do u guys understand the principle of communism, to tell u the truth i think that communism is great if it could work out. COZ it's main principle is equality but i like socialism which is the same thing but i can own private property so i think faschism is worse

Lysol · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Jul 19, 2005 Posts: 78

BJay · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Nov 14, 2005 Posts: 53

I don't particularly believe either one is bad.
In honesty, people's opinion of Fascism, and Communism are quite biased due to the cold war, and the world wars. Both are only ideologies, and like any idea can be taken to extremes where they then become bad. The truth of communism is that it doesn't work because there isn't enough money to go around. As well it deprives people of the rights they have to vie for something material in life. Fascism is on the opposite side of the scale. Neither is particularly bad, but only when you take them to the extremes as has happened in the last century do you end up with the results we have seen.

Lysol · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Jul 19, 2005 Posts: 78

Fenix · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:05 am Post subject:

There is nothing wrong with communism..

Communism is only a theory, an utopia.

And communism has never been tried in any country, so how would you know if it's worse than fascism?

Please do not write comments and rantings about stuff you know nothing of..
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frozen_chicken · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:27 am Post subject:

I agree with Fenix that communism is better, the people who are given the power to govern it are corrupted and destroy the real image of communism.

Bowser · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:46 am Post subject:

Thats the one big flaw Communism has...its too easaly corrupted...the government isnt held accountable to its actions....

But anyways....in terms of history...both are as bad as each other....in terms of ideologies...both have their merits...both have their faults.....just like any form of governemnt.....but none are actualy that stable and of course...dont realy hold up the principles of basic rights and equality to all men......

quosimos · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

Fenix · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:02 am Post subject:

quosimos · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:36 am Post subject:

Yeah my knowledge of communism comes from studying the history of the Russian Revolution school and from assimilating some stuff about Chinese history.

i understand that countries have taken leaps to actively bring about communism instead of waiting for a gradual change. i made the assumption that the change had to be stimulated because i find it hard to imagine a gradual transition from capitalism to communism. Will it gradually spread from country to country? Is it possible for you to quickly explain some of the theory behind your post? historical Materialism in particular. is communism the last stop and is there such thing as historical progress?

I find the eventual existence of communism hard to swallow. it reminds me of the end of evangelion in a way. A system like that denies humanity. its like going back to being apes.
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edit: about historical materialism, a quick squiz at Wikipedia jogged my memory back to learning about various schools of historical thought. Im over my head Confused

i know that its basically posing that material circumstances form the base of interaction and thought but i dont have a deep enough understanding to debate theory.

MrPink · Conscript Joined: Oct 14, 2005 Posts: 102 Location: Oregon

Ok, first off no one seems to know what facism is, which really isn't suprising cause it's not really a government system. It's just basically the worst possible direction a government can take. It's when there is one dicator, usually whith popular apeal. A secret service to control the people and propoganda to motivate and crentralize interests. The government usually has to identify and external and internal enemy to keep the people undercontroll by directing their aggression. Also the goverment and the economy a extremely closely tied like the economy controls the government or vice verca depending on how you look at it. Actually for the most part Communist nations esentially become facist. Especially Russia, facism is just really bad evil government and people powertiping ; that's all it means in common language

Now Communism is a whole diffent ball park. Is it better than facism, hell yes, Ideally, but the fact that it very rapidly and very commonly becomes facism means that it's not really that much bettter.

See. All government systems ideally work perfectly. Democracys could be intelligent and decisive and uncorrupt but they are in really life slow, ponderous and ridden with corruption because the evil power hunger people are the ones that vie for positions in the government. Monarchys are excellent when you have a competent ruler. The rule with governments is it all depends on the people and how good or bad they are.

So then the only way to truly guage the good or bad of a government systme is on how well is motivates its public to do the right things, and also based on who is in power. Communism is bad because it put's in place force which imediatly lend themselves to facism and corruption in the higher echelons of society and lazyness in the lower echelons. And I know there's not suposed to be classes in Communism but someone has to rule and someone has to work.

adam_askew · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Jun 18, 2005 Posts: 81

who' bright idea was it to say that facisim which states that any and all free will is evil, had killed hundreds of thousands of people just for the fuck of it, over communisim which states that all people shold be able to live comfortably, freely, and free of corporate oppression, look at cuba, they have a 100% literacy rate, free health care for all, and the vast majority of the population is extremely happy with itself

MiME · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject:

Both are horrible, i find it outrageous the mere fact that someones try to impose a way of thinking by force.

okay someones saying we know nothing about communism so let me make it clear for you:

communism is based off in the materialist dialectic(wich in itself is an absurd, but whatever), and proposes that everything derives from conflict, just as the socratic method of arguing, when a thesis confronted an antithesis and derived in a sinthesis, and at the same time denies anything thats not material. From this point of view he states that history as lived the same process, so that each different stage in human history comes from a previous revolution. at some point, capitalism will be thrown over for communism, just as feudal society was. thats what the marxism is IN A GENERAL VIEW.

according to marx, communism would be like natural state of humanity, where everyone has access to anything and where everyone cooperates with everyone.

the problem with comunism is that its empty, its not supported in anything, so it cannot go well for human beings. i personally believe, with reasons, and a lot of thinking, reading and studies, that communism is not a good choice, the theory is really full of holes, not just marx's, but also gramsci's and foucault's, and im talking about IMPORTANT holes, i mean, i know no theory is perfect, for ive studied a lot of political theories on governments and human conduct, but i can honestly say communism has some of the biggest problems in their ideology.

and ifnally, communism ends up being the very same thing every communist attacks time after time: a power speech, from the higher social classes to the lower, just more power imposing and no actual difference between that and people trying to convince you that democracy is alright. if you ask me, the whole "speeches speech" is ridiculous, for its impossible to even talk without trying to say something, so its absurd, but i want you to remember too, that communists thinkers were the ones who started pointing them out.

please feel free to disagree with me, but i just wanted to clearify that some of us do know what we are talking about here, so ill aprecciate if you didnt make derogatory expressions such as "you dont know what youre talking about" in the future, and even if some people dont, i dont think its the most appropriate way.

PS: i dont like democracy either, but i just wanted to focus on communism.
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