Satiric Muhammed drawings and boycotts

[frezze912]

fos - freedom of speech

a question i noticed on cnn that they posed to the editor of the paper was why run it. if there is no real reason to run something like that why do it. the cartoonist are in hiding and rightfully so and with all that has been happening in the world its just wrong to defend the pictures. it seems more and more that the muslim community is being centered out and the more stuff like this that happens the easier it will be to center them out.

people are dying in these riots and its a horrible problem, but the different countries cant just sit back and let the muslim nation be satisfied with something like this.

hopefully it doesnt become another ishbald (fma lol)
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[Fenix]

Bowser - What does codified constitution mean? Could you explain it?
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[Bowser]

[frezze912]

not everyone reacts to the same situations simularly. growing up we would play games to see who could make the best joke about a person but everyone cant take stuff like that.

it is also my understanding that this is not the first time something like this has happened and there was a large up roar then as well but i may be mistaken

codification:
In law, codification is the process of collecting and restating the law of a jurisdiction in certain areas, usually by subject. Also see legal code.

wikimedia foundation (2006) www.wikipedia.org

doesnt say much lol
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[Fenix]

I still don't really get what codified constitution means.. Looked through wikipedia and my dictionary, but nothing helped.

Our laws are divided into several groups, you could say. We have a constitution, which can't really be changed much. Then we have all the other laws. We actually do have a blasphemy law, but this law is a hundred years old, if not older, and therefore only contain christian blasphemy. There have been talking about changing this law to contain more religions, like Islma, but I don't know if that will happen.

Jyllands-Posten, the newspaper which brought the drawings has already made an official letter to muslims. This happened quite some time ago.

Click me to go to the official letter from the newspaper

Actually an ex-minister of internal affairs want the Editor-in-Chief of the newspaper to be fired. I don't think this is a possibility. That ex-minister is also a jerk (just like the rest of the government).

The problem is, that many countries want the danish governmend or the queen to apologize. This cannot happen. As I said in another thread; if the government apologizes it will go against the laws. The government can't apologize for a whole country in a situation like this, it's impossible. If the queen apologizes she has indulged herself in politics, which she may not, therefore forcing her to abduct (to give up the throne).

Now, the minister of foreign affairs says that the government want a dialogue with the countries taking part in the protests. However he has declared that, if the countries fail in protecting the embassies, there will be no dialogue at all.
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[silvermirage]

Could be just me, but from that letter, it seems like they're making an apology for offending the muslims, not an appology letter for publishing the pictures, slight differences, but different none the less.

[Doomsought]

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We Christians get our religious figures mocked all the time
TV most of all
we'll boycot the worse stuff but,
we never riot
so to any muslems who are ticked off
WELCOME TO THE CLUB
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[isumayf19]

I am all for freedom of speech. the amazing thing is i am would also be classified as a conservative. its funny to me that people are getting upset by these political cartoons. in fact these sort of editorial cartoons come out daily. they criticizes and critique people from all walks of life from Christians to Muslims to even Jews. The president of the USA, the prime minister of the UK and Japan are all targeted by editorial cartoons. Ophra, Mariah Carey, Sting, Bono, Harry Potter and even the Pope have been made fun of or been critique. Sometimes cartoonist can go to far but that is all part of the freedom we give them as a public. I guess what I am trying to say is that people get made fun or criticized all the time. Also people will always be offended. For some their tolerance level is higher then others. Yes there are many Muslims upset right know. But that doesn’t mean all of them are trying to kill Europeans or Christians. Sometimes the minority defines a whole and that is sad. That shouldn’t be the case. But in the same token we should not get to the point where we are afraid to voice or own opinion in fear of retaliation. This might sound crazy and I don’t agree with terrorism but I have to say the terrorist are doing a good job because the are causing terror. How do you ask. A political cartoonist does his job and now his country men are furious at him. Also the few and I mean few Muslims who are extremist are starting to use this as an excuse to attack yet again. Maybe I am ranting and raving but I am tired of having to walk on eggshells so we don’t offend one group or another group. No matter what we do someone always get offended and some other group is always doing something crazy. That is just the way of the world and humanity. sorry for boring you with this triade

[Xristyan]

blasphemy eh.... well a lot of what they are doing is also blasphemy in some religions and you don't see them protesting and causing riots.. i have seen more blasphemous stuff on the newspapers but seems to be they are really into the muhammed thing.. how far do you think this will go???
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[nobodyspecial]

Freedom of speech, with it comes consequences. I can agree with the anger showed over the depiction of Muhammad, since it is not allowed. What I can't agree is with the riots and the bounty on the cartoonists. http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/540

You didn't see Christians react the same way to this. http://www.mtholyoke.edu/offices/comm/csj/991008/madonna.htm

What do they hope to gain from from rioting and attacking embassies?
They don't seem to have any problem with the depiction of Jewish people
in a negative light. Yes, I do understand that there is a difference and yet I don't see or hear about Jewish people going crazy over it
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm

What makes me even more unempathetic to the riots is the fact that what set off the riots may not even have been the original cartoons that were published, but the other ones that were added to the ones printed in a dossier/booklet. It would appear that some inmans(?) had printed up a dossier/booklet and added pictures from other sources and WITH the ones originally printed. The pig picture was in fact a man in a pig squealing contest from France, nothing to do with Muhhamad at all. In fact it would seem that the reason for the original illustration in the fist place was for a book about Muhammad, and the paper used it as "test" for Freedom of Speech. Too bad that most likely that book has been shelved and we may never know its content.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/382

What they forgot is that they immigrated to Denmark and those other countries. They went there, not the other way around. They should not expect the country to bow down to them everytime somethings offend them. This reminds me of the bank situation. I believe it is a Bristish Bank that banned the piggy bank, because the pig offens Muslims. What about the other customers and the time old piggy bank tradition?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Piggy-banks-offend-UK-Muslims/2005/10/24/1130006056771.html
Yes, it is reasonable to expect respect for their belief. In the end, it's not the country that they left but another culture that they are living with. Just as much as the country needs to understand their culture, they need to understand the culture that they are entering. They need to understand that they are not the only ones living in that country. Now, I'm not saying all Muslims are involved in this. I work with one and was explained that any depiction of Muhammad is not allowed, but he didn't go crazy about it. Besides, I wonder how many of them laugh at cartoon depicting Bush and the USA and wounded soldiers? Satire works both ways, no one is excluded.

Here's something interesting: http://www.dailyrepublican.com/sup_crt_frieze.html
http://michellemalkin.com/archives/004478.htm

[sadakuro]

And then, westerns are complaining when terrorists are putting explosives in subways, is just that if they do not respects them...
In addition, Muslim people doesn't understand that the freedom of expression is. The point for them is that danish fuck with Muhammed and they must apologize for that reason.

Besides, I've heard the same newspaper refuse to publish some jesus drawns because they would be an insult. It was before all this problem. So, who has the fault?
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[Destiny81]

hmm, in my own view of opinion, i think that the muslim should have a right to be angry! because the dannish newspaper published the cartoons of their prophet which they regard as a holy person! so they have a right to be angry since their late prophet was humilated and if the pictures of Jesus or the Pope was published in the same manner would the christians around the world be uproar in this matter?

so those who did not understand the a person religions should not be making nonsense opinion, and please do research before u post anything here, someone might be offended

about the FoS, yes it was their freedom to publish anything u like but with self respect of a persons religion status and they must also consider the if they might offend someone else with whatever they do!
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