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darkstorm995
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| im a Turkish muslim and i agree that what the newpaper did was wrong but also agree that muslims in Denmark went way out of control there was no need to be that violent and coming to the Pope issue i didnt hear the speach but i know that it stirred up alot of people in Turkey and many people were protesting his speech and his visit to Turkey im not sure if the there was some misunderstanding all i know is that it got many people mad |
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basha54
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| Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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well there is not freedom of speech if there gag orders
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well, i admire the muslims for their hard faith and protecting their religion, but their methods are harsh......
for what i've learned in school, islam is peace...... but why are they so violent?  |
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Nel- People are violent, not the religion. It like Christianity, Christians burning witches and outcasting anyone that is "evil".
Some people are too sensitive and can't control their anger.
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| NeL wrote: |
well, i admire the muslims for their hard faith and protecting their religion, but their methods are harsh......
for what i've learned in school, islam is peace...... but why are they so violent? |
Those who use violent are bad people who want to spoile Islam in anyway so dont just think all Muslims are using violence to solve their problems ya know everyone got their own way to solve things and there are bad and good people.
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kelvintjy
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| Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| NeL wrote: |
well, i admire the muslims for their hard faith and protecting their religion, but their methods are harsh......
for what i've learned in school, islam is peace...... but why are they so violent? |
Peace??? LOL
Please tell me you are joking. That what they want us to know from the book.
Did you read at the overall current issue regarding Islam. There are a lot of issues which point the opposites.
What the school teach is just trying to tell us the lies. They will not tell us the truth at all. You can find the more truthful infomation from the internet as it is not control by anyone at all.
At school, the infomation is control by the government. When they don't want us to know they will put it as Official Secret. |
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ultimasome
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| kelvintjy wrote: |
Peace??? LOL
Please tell me you are joking. That what they want us to know from the book.
Did you read at the overall current issue regarding Islam. There are a lot of issues which point the opposites.
What the school teach is just trying to tell us the lies. They will not tell us the truth at all. You can find the more truthful infomation from the internet as it is not control by anyone at all.
At school, the infomation is control by the government. When they don't want us to know they will put it as Official Secret. |
There are many criminals and terrorsim but still they are muslims
There are many good and peaceful muslims
when ya hear muslims doesnt mean we are angels so we dont do mistakes,sins,cimes...etc
see Islam and how it looks before not now..Islam didnt change a bit but the poeple changed.
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kelvintjy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| ultimasome wrote: |
There are many criminals and terrorsim but still they are muslims
There are many good and peaceful muslims
when ya hear muslims doesnt mean we are angels so we dont do mistakes,sins,cimes...etc
see Islam and how it looks before not now..Islam didnt change a bit but the poeple changed. |
This is what a lot of people tell us. They say blook at their past civilisation which Islam brought to the world. How Islam found a lot of maths and science.
That is why I say look at the internet to get the true picture of Islam. Look at all the Islam country now. They said Islam respect women but they pratice honour killing.
Look at their hudud law. A woman who get rape need to get 4 innocent men to prove that she was rape.
They even said it is ok to convert to Islam as they say Islam is peace but they kill those Islam who convert to other religion (Murtad). Some they coerce those who convert to other to convert back to Islam or they will kill those "Murtad". |
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KaRei
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| kelvintjy wrote: |
Peace??? LOL
Please tell me you are joking.
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This is what a lot of people tell us. They say look at their past civilisation which Islam brought to the world. How Islam found a lot of maths and science.
That is why I say look at the internet to get the true picture of Islam. Look at all the Islam country now. They said Islam respect women but they pratice honour killing.
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Dear kelvintjy, what you are saying is more blind that what you're trying to ilustrate us as muslim world. Did you live there? How much you know muslim world in real? You know it just from oppinions of others. You say that on internet the information aren't censored? And from where you think the information got there? Huh? Informations on internet are just retyped informations from propaganda that is trying unite Europe against muslims and look on them as on somebody bad, merge them in one group and place on them label "terorists" or whatever. Did you at least read Koran?
Tell me one thing that is bad on Islam (from Koran). Don't speak about those few people that are giving to world wrong interpretation of Islam and muslim world. What you hear from news and internet is just a bubble because it is something interesting to read (somehow people like to speak and listen to things that are somewhere bad/wrong and they don't think that it could be different than how they heard it).
To the thing of 4 innocent men that woman need to prove that she was raped. If you'll think about it, you'll find out that it is natural. Women can't have sex with men if she isn't married with him, but who can make sure that she really won't? If she isn't maid, who will guarantee you that she was raped and that she didn't make it from her own will. Women that had sex before marriage can't marry, because she didn't obey Koran and thus she's then bad muslim. No man want bad woman.
And changing from islam to different religion, I don't know from where you have the thing that they'll kill him/her. They would forget about him/her and even won't remember on him/her as on dead. They would act as he/she never existed. |
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ultimasome
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| kelvintjy wrote: |
| That is why I say look at the internet to get the true picture of Islam. Look at all the Islam country now. They said Islam respect women but they pratice honour killing. |
they dont practice honour killing...i think ya mean about the law
if that is what ya mean then this law is giving to us from our God Allah
we dont have any law based on human minds
Allah said the punishment of this or that is to be killed and so we obey and do the punishment as told...there is a purpose of this punishment
if ya looked at Islam and its law ya will understand everything
dont look at people
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| Look at their hudud law. A woman who get rape need to get 4 innocent men to prove that she was rape. |
how do ya want her to prove that she was innocent? come to the judge and tell him she got raped and then they arrest the man and give him his punishment or forgive him as nothing happened?
if she is really innocent then she will bring 4 men to prove that she is innocent and for muslims countries ya can find 4 men easily to prove for her
if they asked for one man she will bring her friends or someone she knows to prove for her.
why dont ya compare Islam law with others
one man comes to the judge and say he killed and the judge punish him as to be killed and after the judge changes the other one may change it to be go to jail for 6 or maybe 10 years based on what he see the situation,am i right?
and if ya dont like the current law,can ya tell me what can be replaced?
if ya put punishment based on human mind it will change but if its from God then i swear nothing to be changed and ya wont see any bad effects.
if your thinking this is strict then tell me how can a child grow good if he is stuborn? ya must become strict with him in order to raise him into a good child,right? being strict is needed.
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| They even said it is ok to convert to Islam as they say Islam is peace but they kill those Islam who convert to other religion (Murtad). Some they coerce those who convert to other to convert back to Islam or they will kill those "Murtad". |
They dont kill him when he converts to other religion..they give him three chances to come back to Islam after they answer all his questions and expalining everything and if he insist of not coming back they kill him cause they told him everything good and bad on everything he needs to know about weather its about Islam or other religions
if ya see the truth right before your eyes then why do ya want to convert to other religion?
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| Women that had sex before marriage can't marry, because she didn't obey Koran and thus she's then bad muslim. No man want bad woman. |
Your wrong.
she can marry even if she did that intentionally but after she repent for her mistake...we learn how to forgive and we do mistakes even sins
she may disobey Allah but if she repent He forgives her
His forgiveness is even more bigger than when a mother forgives her children...she may be bad muslim but she's a better one for knowing her mistakes and regreting it.
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| And changing from islam to different religion, I don't know from where you have the thing that they'll kill him/her. They would forget about him/her and even won't remember on him/her as on dead. They would act as he/she never existed. |
it is written in Qur'an
this is the punishment for those who change their religion after entering Islam
Islam not only religion nor it is a game ya enter to play and then quit
we're not scaring people of Islam but if ya see the right path then why hesitate to enter it and if ya know your kept save then why change it
we give ya everything ya need to know if ya thought or doubted of something not good in Islam.
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kelvintjy
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Dear kelvintjy, what you are saying is more blind that what you're trying to ilustrate us as muslim world. Did you live there? How much you know muslim world in real? You know it just from oppinions of others. You say that on internet the information aren't censored? And from where you think the information got there? Huh? Informations on internet are just retyped informations from propaganda that is trying unite Europe against muslims and look on them as on somebody bad, merge them in one group and place on them label "terorists" or whatever. Did you at least read Koran? |
Well, I am living in Malaysia which is a Muslim country. It is the government even the Prime Minister said that it is a Muslim country. But the opposition party said that Malaysia is a secular country. Who is right, the government or the opposition party?
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Tell me one thing that is bad on Islam (from Koran). Don't speak about those few people that are giving to world wrong interpretation of Islam and muslim world. What you hear from news and internet is just a bubble because it is something interesting to read (somehow people like to speak and listen to things that are somewhere bad/wrong and they don't think that it could be different than how they heard it). |
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/426521
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/430380
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/394326 |
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technomo12
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| Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 10:00 am Post subject: |
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to me im a christian with a muslim cousin we get along together even though my my class m8s treat us like garbage
they can hurt me thats ok but wen they hurt my muslim coousin they going to pay that is awat i said to them and vice versa to my cousin but he added that if they dies he will reap their soul from the grave
he said that out of anger and protection for me so we both somtime get violent at others but not literaly like in the news
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forgetwillnot
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Muslims...
Christians..
what's the difference?
The same seed of insanity and violence grows inside..
it will be up to each one of us of it will sprout or not..
Be Christian...Be Muslim....Be it just plain fanaticism...
Jesus wont be the one pointing fingers...
Allah wont be the one cursing or damn others....
it will always be..
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xialafiey
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| Posted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:21 am Post subject: |
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not all muslim are like that
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leoxjm
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| xialafiey wrote: |
| not all muslim are like that |
Why, thank you for restating what is already obvious, xialafiey. Yet still, you've managed to miss the crux of the discussion, namely, the attitude that Islam as a religion is perceived to have toward individual forms of expression that secular or "western" societies either actively encourage of take for granted. What is your position on the subject? do you even have one? Do you have any sort of personal response to any of the previous posts?
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