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Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 8:11 am Post subject:
Kaiser wrote:
If I insult your mother, you have a right to be pissed. If you come burn my house down or kill me and my family then its you who has taken it too far and by all means who do you think will go to jail first?
If ya insult my mother i'll piss
but if ya draw her as a terrorist, spread it to the whole world, made people think wrong and do compitetion i'll kill ya without caring what others will say or think
you've made my mother's shape as a terrorist .. what do ya think?
people will talk and there's no way to correct your mistakes, am i right?! _________________ "Blogger"
If I insult your mother, you have a right to be pissed. If you come burn my house down or kill me and my family then its you who has taken it too far and by all means who do you think will go to jail first?
If ya insult my mother i'll piss
but if ya draw her as a terrorist, spread it to the whole world, made people think wrong and do compitetion i'll kill ya without caring what others will say or think
you've made my mother's shape as a terrorist .. what do ya think?
people will talk and there's no way to correct your mistakes, am i right?!
First off; what if your mother had done things that made others look upon her as a terrorist? And second; it wasn't spread to the whole world. This was done by your family members, who actually made more and worse drawings of your mother to show to the world.
If the police arrests your mother because they think she's a terrorist. Would you go and kill everyone in the police station or would you prove in the court that she's innocent? _________________ "It is also paradox that the earth moves round the sun, and that water consists of two highly inflammable gases. Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by every-day experience, which catches only the delusive appearance of things."
-Karl Marx
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:39 am Post subject:
Fenix wrote:
First off; what if your mother had done things that made others look upon her as a terrorist? And second; it wasn't spread to the whole world. This was done by your family members, who actually made more and worse drawings of your mother to show to the world.
If the police arrests your mother because they think she's a terrorist. Would you go and kill everyone in the police station or would you prove in the court that she's innocent?
1-even if she had made things others look upon her as a terrorist i wont allow anyone to say anything bad to her...watch your flaws before talking about others...even so maybe someday she will know her fault and correct what things she did wrong...maybe she made those without knowing it'll become like this...maybe she thinks that what she did was right while others says its wrong...maybe..maybe..maybe
there's other chances that maybe shows her that she didnt meant it.
but to just come and insult her without hearing the reasons of why she did those things from her...i wont allow it.
2-i didnt understand ya well.
Fenix wrote:
If the police arrests your mother because they think she's a terrorist. Would you go and kill everyone in the police station or would you prove in the court that she's innocent?
I would definitly go prove in the court that she's innocent if she really is innocent but if not...
Now you're contradicting yourself ultimasome. Didn't you just say you would kill them for saying such things?
ultimasome wrote:
2-i didnt understand ya well.
I'm saying that in the case of the drawings, muslims drew more and worse drawings to show in their home countries. It was reported that up to 200 drawings were shown to the muslims. Combine this with the fact that only 12 were actually drawn in Denmark. The 200 drawings also contained much worse drawings. I sent the 12 real drawings to a muslim friend I have and he said that they weren't that bad. The 200 drawings were made by muslims in an attempt to cause even more of an uproar. _________________ "It is also paradox that the earth moves round the sun, and that water consists of two highly inflammable gases. Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by every-day experience, which catches only the delusive appearance of things."
-Karl Marx
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 11:59 am Post subject:
Fenix wrote:
Now you're contradicting yourself ultimasome. Didn't you just say you would kill them for saying such things?
I'll kill the one who did this drawing not all
but if its just insult i'll piss without killing..
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I'm saying that in the case of the drawings, muslims drew more and worse drawings to show in their home countries. It was reported that up to 200 drawings were shown to the muslims. Combine this with the fact that only 12 were actually drawn in Denmark. The 200 drawings also contained much worse drawings. I sent the 12 real drawings to a muslim friend I have and he said that they weren't that bad. The 200 drawings were made by muslims in an attempt to cause even more of an uproar.
How did ya know they're muslims
maybe they say or show themselves as muslims but they arent.
do ya have proffs?! _________________ "Blogger"
How did ya know they're muslims
maybe they say or show themselves as muslims but they arent.
do ya have proffs?!
The people who went to the muslim countries to tell about it and show the drawings were imams from Denmark. Imams who had no doubt seen the real drawings in the newspaper.
ultimasome wrote:
I'll kill the one who did this drawing not all
but if its just insult i'll piss without killing..
Explain yourself. _________________ "It is also paradox that the earth moves round the sun, and that water consists of two highly inflammable gases. Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by every-day experience, which catches only the delusive appearance of things."
-Karl Marx
Joined: Mar 28, 2003 Posts: 1681 Location: I don't know, I have to recheck the map...
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 5:33 am Post subject:
Kaiser wrote:
You don't think the Sunni and Shi'a conflicts are relevant? I think they are. Both sides are using violence in the name of religion and this is what we are discussing right? What are acceptable responses to preceived wrongs to a religion.
Sunni and Shi'a conflict are not that relevant, because it's a matter of oppresion. The oppresor vs the oppresed (now it's vice versa in Iraq). In the rest of the world, the Sunni and Shi'a stay clear of each other.
In regards to Fenix, it might be true that some "imams" are publicizing these stuffs. It is more of an internal problem for Denmark actually at first, only to be made widespreaded by those who spreads it. But, in my eyes, to prevent idolism, I took every caricature of Muhammad (pbuh), either good light or bad, as a blasphemy. It is how I have been taught so, and so I will hold on to the rest of my life.
That much I will give, and after considering both sources, the pig caricature might be inserted at whim. But Muhammad with a bomb as his turban, him wielding a bloodied sword flanked by two women, that I find most offensive indeed.
PS: It is the world of politics ^^. Some said that the timing of these incidents coincides with Iran's issues. Convenient huh? _________________ ...
That much I will give, and after considering both sources, the pig caricature might be inserted at whim.
Which pig caricature?
mistabean wrote:
But Muhammad with a bomb as his turban, him wielding a bloodied sword flanked by two women, that I find most offensive indeed.
This was 2 drawings. One showed Muhammed with a bomb in his turban, and another showed Muhammed wielding a knife, flanked by 2 women in full burka (burqa?)
Yes, those 2 were the most offensive drawings (actually the only offensive drawings).
But you can't say there's no reason why people wouldn't depict him as such, after all we've heard from the suicide terrorists.. We keep hearing about suicide terrorists bombing themselves and others in the name of Muhammed. And in my country a big debate is going on about the women; we've actually been forced to make new rules to prevent forced marriage, and now we have troubles with muslim fathers and brothers killing their own daughters along with their boyfriends only because the daughter fell in love with a danish boy. _________________ "It is also paradox that the earth moves round the sun, and that water consists of two highly inflammable gases. Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by every-day experience, which catches only the delusive appearance of things."
-Karl Marx
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:04 am Post subject:
Fenix wrote:
The people who went to the muslim countries to tell about it and show the drawings were imams from Denmark. Imams who had no doubt seen the real drawings in the newspaper.
Did the one who draw these drawing in Denmark expect that this will happen
So maybe those imams didn’t expect this will happen either..
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If the police arrests your mother because they think she's a terrorist. Would you go and kill everyone in the police station or would you prove in the court that she's innocent?
Why would I kill the police?! They're Thinking she's terrorist and plus they're doing their duties.
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muslims drew more and worse drawings to show in their home countries.
How did ya know they're Muslims?!
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Explain yourself.
If someone insult my mother I'll piss without killing…No Killing.
But if he draw my mother as a terrorist I'll kill him
If I kill him people will say and even if I didn’t they will say.
Look I kill the one who first start to draw it I don’t kill everyone cause they shared the drawing with him or spread it to the whole world.
I kill the drawer but if he just insult my mother without drawing I'll piss without killing him…now ya understand.
I'm answering Kaiser's example it doesn’t mean ya compare me with Muslims.
I'm not saying that I'm with Muslims for what they've done nor I'm against them.
There're extremists making Islam look bad. _________________ "Blogger"
Moderate muslims are asking the government and police to investigate 'threats' against them by fundalmentalist muslims.
The moderates are complaining saying the radicals are labelling them as 'anti-islamic' which in Islam is equal to the death penalty???? and therefore a threat made against their lives?
Anyways, moderates Canadian muslims are asking the government and poilce to intercede and protect them against the fundalmentalists here. _________________
Joined: Aug 16, 2005 Posts: 216 Location: In a land of forever twilight
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:
I can understand why Muslims are upset. There's been alot of discrimination towards them in recent years, and I don't think that anyone should be allowed to mock another's beliefs.
However, I also think that the Islamic extremists need to settle down and stop being so uptight and easily offended. I'm a Christian, but I don't throw a riot evertime some atheist makes fun of Jesus.
I mean no offence towards anyone of Islamic beliefs, and I deeply and sincerely wish that all religions could get along, especially since Christians, Jews, and Muslims all essentially worship the same God, but with different interpretations. But sadly, it doesn't seem like that's going to happen anytime soon, since the conflict between Jewish and Islamic people had been going on since the Old Testament, and since neither side seems to be willing to stop the bloodshed.
And Christians are not totally innocent either. The pope's negative comments, America's over-involvement and open support of Isreal over Muslim nations, their not exactly giving the rest of us a good image in the minds of Muslim nations. _________________ [IMG:500:100:5f9d323c6a]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v439/spender/Witchbladebanner3.jpg[/img:5f9d323c6a]
If you're out there, I'll find you.
Sorry to reply this late, but I've had some stuff to do, so haven't had time..
ultimasome wrote:
Did the one who draw these drawing in Denmark expect that this will happen
So maybe those imams didn’t expect this will happen either..
No, I don't believe anyone expected them to do something like that. What do you mean about the imams? They are the ones who did it.
ultimasome wrote:
Why would I kill the police?! They're Thinking she's terrorist and plus they're doing their duties.
What about the newspaper that writes she's a terrorist, because the police says she is?
ultimasome wrote:
How did ya know they're Muslims?!
Fenix wrote:
The people who went to the muslim countries to tell about it and show the drawings were imams from Denmark. Imams who had no doubt seen the real drawings in the newspaper.
To add: These imams were also the ones that showed the drawings in the muslim countries. All 200 drawings.
ultimasome wrote:
If someone insult my mother I'll piss without killing…No Killing.
But if he draw my mother as a terrorist I'll kill him
If I kill him people will say and even if I didn’t they will say.
Look I kill the one who first start to draw it I don’t kill everyone cause they shared the drawing with him or spread it to the whole world.
I kill the drawer but if he just insult my mother without drawing I'll piss without killing him…now ya understand.
I think you need to talk with a psychiatrist.. _________________ "It is also paradox that the earth moves round the sun, and that water consists of two highly inflammable gases. Scientific truth is always paradox, if judged by every-day experience, which catches only the delusive appearance of things."
-Karl Marx
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:25 am Post subject:
Fenix wrote:
No, I don't believe anyone expected them to do something like that. What do you mean about the imams? They are the ones who did it.
How did ya know that THEY'RE the ones who did it?!
They can't sit down and watch those people make fun of their prophet so they gathered the drawings and went to the Muslim countries to discuss the solution of this matter though they didn't except that this war will happen.
How did ya know that THEY'RE the ones who draw the other 200 drawings?!
Maybe they gathered it from Denmark without knowing that it wasn't drawn all by Denmark's.
How did ya know that the imams are the only ones who showed the drawings to Muslims?!
Maybe someone else went there before them and showed these drawings to Muslims.
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What about the newspaper that writes she's a terrorist, because the police says she is?
What about the people who talks about my mom that she's terrorist?!
What about my friends who thinks that she's terrorist?!
What about my relatives?!
What about the media?!
What about .. what about?!
Rumors will spread not only in newspaper all the people in different countries will say,talk and think.
Do ya want me to kill them all.
It’s the source mistake that he draw and made people think like this without even hearing the reasons of why she did these things or why?!
Or let me say did he drew it to show his opinion?!
Or cause he wanted to tell others that she's terrorist to be aware from her or capture her?!
Or is drawing will make her known that she's terrorist?!
Ya know I didn't know that drawings is a way to show your opinion?!
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To add: These imams were also the ones that showed the drawings in the muslim countries. All 200 drawings.
Cause they're the ones who showed the drawings means they're the ones who draw it?!
Ya have proofs that they're the ones who draw the other drawings?!
Did ya see them drawing?
Did they told ya?!
Or did ya hear that THEY'RE the ones who draw it?!
I mean rumors…
Here's something thats making world wide news at the moment. A sermon given by Sheik Taj Din Al Hilaly in Australia. He has sparked outrage among both Muslims and non-Muslims.
I wonder what exactly he was thinking when he spoke these words....
“Those atheists, people of the book (Christians and Jews), where will they end up? In Surfers Paradise? On the Gold Coast? Where will they end up? In hell and not part-time, for eternity. They are the worst in God’s creation.�
“When it comes to adultery, it’s 90 percent the woman’s responsibility. Why? Because a woman owns the weapon of seduction. It’s she who takes off her clothes, shortens them, flirts, puts on make-up and powder and takes to the streets, God protect us, dallying. It’s she who shortens, raises and lowers. Then, it’s a look, a smile, a conversation, a greeting, a talk, a date, a meeting, a crime, then Long Bay jail. Then you get a judge, who has no mercy, and he gives you 65 years.�
“But when it comes to this disaster, who started it? In his literature, writer al-Rafee says, if I came across a rape crime, I would discipline the man and order that the woman be jailed for life. Why would you do this, Rafee? He said because if she had not left the meat uncovered, the cat wouldn’t have snatched it.�
“If you get a kilo of meat, and you don’t put it in the fridge or in the pot or in the kitchen but you leave it on a plate in the backyard, and then you have a fight with the neighbour because his cats eat the meat, you’re crazy. Isn’t this true?�
“If you take uncovered meat and put it on the street, on the pavement, in a garden, in a park, or in the backyard, without a cover and the cats eat it, then whose fault will it be, the cats, or the uncovered meat’s? The uncovered meat is the disaster. If the meat was covered the cats wouldn’t roam around it. If the meat is inside the fridge, they won’t get it.�
“If the woman is in her boudoir, in her house and if she’s wearing the veil and if she shows modesty, disasters don’t happen.�
“Satan sees women as half his soldiers. You’re my messenger in necessity, Satan tells women you‘re my weapon to bring down any stubborn man. There are men that I fail with. But you’re the best of my weapons.�
“…The woman was behind Satan playing a role when she disobeyed God and went out all dolled up and unveiled and made of herself palatable food that rakes and perverts would race for. She was the reason behind this sin taking place.�
Classic. His brilliance surpasses even the Pope's. Although I didn't see the mobs throwing stones and setting moques on fire yet. No masked gunmen either. _________________
Joined: Oct 30, 2006 Posts: 74 Location: saudi arabia
Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject:
from what i see u think that it is ok to insult someone else just cuz its ur opinion or apersonal freedom well if every one did what he\she pleased without consideration to others then there will be no harmony in the world. ex:if serveral people shard the same boat &one of them decided to dig in his space( its his property isn,t it )but it will sink the boat and all of them will die so what should they do stop him and live or let him do what he pleases and die . what one country does effects the other since we live on the same palant .
i do not agree with any violant reaction what so ever (though i did not hear about any deaths ) but people differ in the way they think and react .we are the same we are all humans we have the same emotions so do not insult our prophet (peace be apon him ) publicly &expect us to smile and saty quiet we do not care about what u say or blieve as long as u give us the respect we show u of course iam talking here about the true muslims not the others who think they are .
we owe it to the Prophet (peace be upon him) to love him, revere him, and follow his Sunnah in every public and private aspect of our lives. It is equally our duty to come to his defense against all those who wish to plot against him or malign him.
as i can see alot of u have the wrong idea about us muslims if u like to know the opinion of true muslims pls visit
http://islamtoday.com/showme_weekly_2002.cfm?cat_id=30&sub_cat_id=516
U owe as that much
aitikN wrote
There are so many things in the Islamic countries that westerners don't agree with (their treatment of women for one)
its or right to live our lives as we please & the way it suits us i have no idea where u got ur opininos from is it from personal experience or is it from what the media leads u to belive (which is full of lies) iam a gril from saudi arabia and i have been happy all my life iam well respected and loved and the same goes for the women in my country
it hurts so much when ur insulted or portrayed as an animal or akiller
i wish that others would do alittle resurch or at least give the benefit of doubt before passing judgment.
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