Islam and Free Speech

ultimasome · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 11:49 am Post subject:

I think people took the word "Jihad" in a wrong meaning
there are many (if you dont know) wants to destroy Islam in anyway
some of them pretend to be as a Muslim and fight in the name of Jihad to make Islam look in bad statue and there are many who fight either to protect their country or to spread Islam..plus when they fight they have manners not to harm any old people,women nor children unlike the fight now days...before speaking about anything in Islam and how it looks now, speak about the war people non-mulims do these days
they kill anything that gets in front of them weather its a child or an old man..just kill and clean your way.
God is perfect everyone knows that and Islam is God's which is Allah's religion not a human being made..so everything in that religion is for human sake and it all have reasons and purpose why it had that law or this law or anything else
God wouldnt have made this if its against nature or as people say disaster.
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KaRei · Posted: Sat May 12, 2007 2:50 pm Post subject:

And now, every people, look on this thread as on whole. Go through it from the beginning to the end.
What you see? What is fighting for love and peace? Who is trying to make future better?
Look at this thread and you'll see that the bad one is not islam.
People that are of muslim origin are in this thread just defending themselves. And the rest is attacking on them. So what is bad? Did you realize that those here who are muslims didn't say anything against us? That they only want to defend, not attack? So aren't they the ones who want peace?
The same it is with Jihad. If we wouldn't fight against them, we wouldn't be combatants for them and thus they wouldn't lead Jihad against us. We are provoking them and now we are screaming that they are hurting us. We are like little kids. We can hurt somebody else but when he defend himself and return us the hit we begin crying that what he did is bad. And the fact that we hurted him is Ok?
This thread is slowly turning in a xenophobic monster.
Why accept something we don't understand and don't know? We'll rather fight against it. Erase islam from the world because it is foreign, something what we don't understand.
Stop think like that or the world will end in turmoil, but not because of Islam, but because of this xenophobia.
Because we don't understand it, does it mean that it's bad?
Shouldn't we rather try to learn something about it and try to understand it? Borders between countries, differences between cultures and religions won't be taken away. In this we can't hope. Because then had to be set one central culture, same for all. One culture should be taken and made as major and the others should be classified as wrong. But what we think about ourselves that we say that only our culture is correct? How we can dare? Aren't all cultures correct? We're looking on something different and only because it isn't acceptable in our culture we call it bad. But shouldn't we before try to get to know why is the other culture doing it like that? Why are we looking just on the crust and we don't try to search more for the true reason? Are we afraid that we'll find out that in fact what is the other culture doing has good reason and that in core of whole thing it is good? Are we afraid that we'll find out that we was the bad ones because we wasn't able to see it, accept it, tolerate it?

I knew only one religion that respects other religions. It was Buddhism.
Now I add there also Islam. It doesn't respect any religion, but it respects Christianity and Judaism because according the Koran, these believe in same one God as muslims. Does Christianity anything like that? Does Christianity, which is in western cultures believed to be as the most peaceful religion, tolerate some other religion?

Arguments that are against Islam I see here are about terorism. Put your hand on heart, do you really believe that all muslims has at home a box with TNT? That everybody has in his bag or pocket a grenade? About terorism you know just from media (TV, newspapers). These media won't speak about ordinary life of muslims, because they need to come with something what will attract people. But it is interesting that even when we hear from news almost daily that somebody murdered somebody else, we don't think about ourselves that we are murderers. How often I hear from media about murders, how often I hear that some young woman was raped, how often I hear that some kid was kidnapped. Isn't it same? Why we don't think about ourselves that we are murderes, kidnappers and rapists? And why when we hear similar news about muslims we immediately think that all of them are like that?

Yes. Maybe world without religions would be better. Just imaginate it. The only thing you would need to be worry about would be the police. And they aren't everywhere. So why not take some young women behind a bush and rape her there when nobody is watching? And why not be careful to not keep any sign of murder for police and kill somebody? If you do something bad, you have a chance to not be caught. And if they'll catch you, you'll recieve only several years in jail.

And now imaginate a world where everything is ruled by religion. You have all the time somebody who is watching on you. The God is everywhere you'll move and he know everything. You can't do anything without him knowing it. If you do something bad, you are doomed for hell. There is no chance to escape, you'll be always caught. And you won't recieve jail for several years, your punishment will be to be fried in hell forever.

Of which punishment you'll be more afraid? Which punishment will better force you change your mind from doing bad things?

I hope that this Xenophobia, that these prejudices will end soon. Building opinions on prejudices won't bring anything good.

kelvintjy · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 9:08 am Post subject:

It's true that Buddhism respect other religions. In fact a lot of issues involves the clashes of Christian and Islam. Now Islam even try to involved the Buddhist.

Look at the bombing of the world oldest Buddhist statute by Taliban. The killing of Buddhist teachers at Thailand.

As I said, Islam is not a religion of peace at all.

In my country (which is a Islamic country), Malaysia, Islamation happen is primary school where those who are Islam influence the value of Islam on non-muslim kids age betwwen 6-12 years old. They on the other hand forbid non-muslim to influnce non-muslim value on muslim people. This is a double standard.

KaRei · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:58 am Post subject:

Kelvintjy, as you said, these attacks were mady by Taliban, an extremistic organization. And because of this extremistic organization are all muslims like them? Again it is influence by media, again it is one small group generalized for whole nation. Group isn't a nation. Taliban aren't all muslims, nor some significant part of muslim population.

Your country is making centralization of nationalities. The government is afraid that icreased number of non-muslim values will influence muslim values. Turn away from muslim values or change them means turn away from Koran and turn away from what the God said. This is inacceptable. Turn away from the God means be doomed.
Each country, muslim or non-muslim, is doing what it can to keep its values and culture. Not only yours.

ultimasome · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 11:30 am Post subject:

KaRei>>>I like to see what other think of Islam and reply to them
let them say what they want...its good for them to say it rather than to keep it inside of them.

Simoon · Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 12:24 pm Post subject:

Wow what a topic, plently of different opinions and views. I don't want to get into it to much since most of what I have to say has already been said by others.
Well I guess I'll say my opinion on a comment Ive seen here while skimming the thread...

kelvintjy · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 10:33 am Post subject:

KaRei · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject:

ultimasome · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:23 pm Post subject:

I think KaRei said what i wanted to say ^^

kel>>>dont say Islam is not peace according to one Islamic country
try looking into more than one country and decide if its peaceful or not
many Islamic countries believe in Islam but doesnt involve Islam in laws or something else...i know Malysia is Islamic country but its not the Islma itself...its just one Islamic country among millions of countries...do you say Islam is not peaceful or anything else based on one country?
there are many countries who are Islamic but still they dont act completely as Islam (which is God's Allah's religion) tells them to do.

and its well known that Islam is not a play that you can get in and get out whenever you want...you must have a reason why leave Islam and get into another religion.
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kelvintjy · Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject:

Actually, the Islamation in school happen in "National" school not the state Islamic school. Due to this what the government is trying to do that is encourage more non-muslim to go into National is wasted as most of the parents send their children to National type school. Even some of the missionary school had lost their identity as most most their identity is slowly being remove by the ulama who teaches muslim student Islam.

Copy this from wikipedia

kelvintjy · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 12:47 am Post subject:

silverkitsune · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 1:23 am Post subject:

I don't know much about Islamic culture to be honest. But I do know enough to see that an Islamic country is not the greatest country to live in... unless I was a wealthy family's son or something.
So I would say I am on the side against Islamic culture, because I do not like all the negative things that comes along with this religion. I think this is more on the matter of the culture that evolved around Islam, not about the religion itself. Though much of the conflicts were caused by western influence...

However, I feel sad that Muslims are discriminated around the world. It's a terrible feeling, to be living in a country where everyone will judge you based on your origin and beliefs. Forced to feel guilty when you have done nothing wrong.

I'm sure some Muslims maybe even started to hate being a Muslim and quit the religion. At least I know one friend who did, maybe it wasn't only because of the whole 9/11 effect, but it surely must have influenced his decision.
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ultimasome · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:19 am Post subject:

silverkitsune · Posted: Mon May 21, 2007 2:37 am Post subject: