Muslims

pongk · Yari Ashigaru Joined: Jan 18, 2006 Posts: 207

This is a hard and sensitive topic. Well i can't pass judgement on their religion , that's what they beleive in but we are talking about the "muslim people "

I personnaly have nothing against muslims , infact i have 2 muslim friends and they are very nice people so it's hard to compare them with people in "Iraq" and various other muslim countrys.

siddiqui · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Sep 17, 2005 Posts: 90

Thank you for proving my point pongk. You cant base a whole arguement against a whole people onpeople from one area. I also think that not all catholic priest are all sexual abusy. Some are but most arent. Ive been to a few churchs and the priest are so nice and knoledgeable, i dont like thinking that people like them actually sexually abuse kids.

Im sorry when I made this thread I called it muslims I should have called it Religions because im facinated by all the different religions, how they were forn=med there beliefs, rituals, history. All that good stuff. So again im sorry for the narrow topic of Muslims.

Im not sure but would talking about other religons be spamming.

GraveDestiny · newbie! Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 11

Religion is a very sensitive topic specially for me since Im a muslim. I go to a highschool with 3600 kids and only 1 percent are muslim. Because of this it is hard to say (in my religions oppinion) Jesus is not the son of god. I got into a mild arguement with a girl because I said a wouldnt become Christian because Islam made more sence to me. If you Muslim Christian or Jew the basis of the religion is the same so there is no point in arguingabot it much less kill over it

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GraveDestiny · newbie! Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 11

What can I say. Where I live there arent many muslims, too many white people, Im not saying white people are bad its just that there should be diversity.

Our M.S.A (muslim student association) has like 10 kids. I think, if you call yourself a religious person you should at least show up to the basics of your religion like church temple or the mosque. So the people that go around my school saying "Im muslim and I would fight if someone made fun of my religion" well you yourself are making fun of your own religion by saying I dont have time for my religion because its not importent.

Sorry I really hate people that do that.

sadakuro · Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:10 am Post subject:

I don't care. It's not about religion, but terrorism. Muslims are not the problem, the problem are the terrorist.

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GraveDestiny · newbie! Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 11

That is so true. Terrorism can be from any religion its just right now terrorsm is taking the form of Muslim extremists

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MiME · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject:

geeeee....and i didnt want to post anything here....but whatever...couldnt just sit still...

i beg of you...lets mantain rationality as a must, for people are easily deceived when rationals are not there, and discussion becomes impossible just as well...

ooooookay....first of all let me state that atheism in itself is not only an absurd but also more of a religion than most religions (in the negative conception of religion). before you start insulting me let me explain why:

by saying youre an atheist youre saying there is no god. byt that you mean that you KNOW there is no god. sadly, for you to make that statement you should be able to know absolutely everything so that you could tell me that according to your complete omniscience and knowledge youve come to the conclussion that there exists no god. thats absurd. you cant say god does not exist for theres absolute no proof that theres not a god. in fact theres more proof that a god DOES exist than the fact of a god not existing.

you can declare yourself an agnostic, meaning that you actually cant tell wether a god exists or not. you may BELIEVE that a god does not exist, but when saying that then youre actually putting your faith into that fact with no evidence whatsoever, becoming more of a religion than muslims who have their prophets testimony and the quoran or christians who have the bible and jesus as testimony.

by saying youre an atheist youre actually denying logical thinking and youre own reason, biasing your reasoning in pro of your faith(denying the existance of god), being less rational than most religions that mostly have philosophical reasons for believeing what they do apart from their faith.

now, to the catholic priests issue.

we all know that raping children is as bad as it gets, noones defending thosee priests who have to pay for what they did but youre playing the wrong role most of the time. media has a HUGE amount of fault here.

lets say some random guy is a child abuser. he is criticised by society for being a sick bastard and is judged as a rapist in tribunals. he goes to jail.

now, lets say some priest is a child abuser. he is criticised by society for being a sick bastard AND a priest and then hes thrown into jail. but now everyone goes "that church is rotten" "everything is corruption" "how can this be" etc etc. wich is an absurd generalization. nobody cared wether or not the first case was a doctor or a lawyer or a salesman or whatever. he was a rapist and he had to be thrown in jail. then comes the priest and everyone goes ballistic. i know youll say "but priests are supposed to be good so its outrageous and bla blah blah" but teachers and doctors and lawyers and salesman are suppossed to be good as well, its no more validating for a rapist to be a doctor rather than "put-random-profession-here". but you go at the priest because he has this huge moral standard to take into account and all that. its fine, but be aware that what youre taking into account is the guy's role into society, so youre judging as a member of society. what im saying is STICK TO THAT you cannot judge a priest as a priest the way you can judge wether you prefer this teacher or that teacher mainly because youre nowhere near the philosophy thats behind that priest. the problem is that ppl who are the first to go ballistic against these priests are most of the time ppl that were always against the church, but they intend to judge them as outsiders, criticising them for their behaviour inside something they dont even know. what im saying is that you cant judge preists unless youre actually into their "environment", youre a member of society so judge another member of society, but youre not a member of the church so dont pretend you are just to bash catholicism or christianty or whatever the actual case is.

im not defending rapists, i think that jail is not enough for those sickos but heres my point:

you can say that its horrible for ppl to abuse childs, but you can only take into account moral standards, not beliefs, for you have nothing to do with that kind of beliefs. stick to your own reasoning or youll probably make a mistake. let the church judge priests, you judge a person.

and then theres the point that all of these are isolated cases, its not like all priests are pedophiles, some of them are, just as probably some guy working in mcdonalds but you dont judge them for not being able to stick with the company's standards of "one happy meal one happy kid", after all, both are organizations with so many ppl they just cant take a hold of everyone, as well as all are merely formed by humans who are as bendable(thinking in their standard) as any other.

i have nothing against muslims, as long as they know what theyre doing, as long as they belive what they believe for it truly makes sense for them.

im not fond of muslims beliefs nor their faith so i cant judge that, im fond of catholics though so im less scared of judging those.

and just for the record, im nowhere near catholic, though for philosophical reasons. i do believe a god must exist though...although not the catholic one...philosophical reasons again...

oh and i just remembered...somebody said that human nature was just evil and all that...its not...though it tends to do evil things...oh and hobbes?? i highly believe he was wrong too...too simplistic in his reasoning...not as much faith in reason as he thought he had...

and btw...i used to be a an atheist...agnostic as well....ive studied catholicism too...i tried to be one even...

edit: awfully long post!!!!!!!! sorry about that...hopes somebody read it...

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GraveDestiny · newbie! Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 11

In World History we were learning about philosophy and there are many philosiphies stating that human nature goes back to primal instinct or its just violent.

If there was no civilization or law I gurantee you there would be alot more murders, gangs, rape, theft, basically alot more crime. Plus look through out history Man has shown himself to be very.......bad. Wars faught over the smallest reason like That city is holy lets send millions of farmers to fight and take back that city and on the way pillage Constantinople. While pillaging Constantinople lets rape nuns inside the church lets rape innocent children also lets kill other innocent men just because there there. Another example 1920's lets drop bombs from planes on innocent protesting miners. Im just saying that human nature is not that good the reason people dont kill eachother is because of laws and religion.

dracula17 · Bakufu Joined: Dec 31, 2005 Posts: 2100

I don't think that there shouldn't be any laws. Sorry might be kinda off the subject didn't read all the posts. Ya as you said in history many times when other civilizations or people take over countries some of them pillaged the country city etc. entailing theft rape drunken killing etc... Many wars start from religion. I’m not saying religion is bad but it's not good when you’re ready to go and kill people just to impose your own religion on others. Lots of religious people get offended if you question there religion or make fun of it in any way. If you make fun I guess that would give you license but if someone question it then you should show tolerance towards what they said and respect them and they should show the same. If you have so much faith in it why should you care? Cults and extremist groups scare me. To be told to do something like kill you children because god told you to or to blow yourself up in a public area. Killing isn't good at all and neither is discrimination. We shouldn't regulate and push away people if they just of a different religion skin color or nationality. There all people. Btu if people believe in killing, raping and pillaging. Things need to be regulated. Not censored but people shouldn't have the right to take another person's life. That's where law comes in to play. Just as GraveDestiny said bombs were dropped and people were slaughtered in Constantinople (not exact words). Things need to have a certain amount of rule that are put together by the communities of that said country and are repented to the president or whatever and decided upon. But what I think everyone should have is nature rights such as freedom of speech etc...

GraveDestiny · newbie! Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 11

True there should be rules and freedom of speech, but those also should have there own limits. In the words of the great GraveDestiny