Do you have what it takes?

xenon10 · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:50 am Post subject:

i was talking bout the vigilantes. they(vigilantes here) kill criminals. you know that, right? they proclaim that this guy's a criminal, he has done this and that, and he shouldnt live anymore, and BANG, and VROOOM. wel, vigilantes here even kill suspects. note: they're only suspects. they werent fully proven that they are the doers of the crime. more or less, if you see it that way, the vigilante think he's a hero. and they obviously think that death is the worst kind of punishment.
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Pherose · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:05 am Post subject:

Ofcourse there is reasons that I believe justify murder, but greed is not one of them, money can be earned without causing suffering to others. Even though I wouldn't kill anyone with out a good reason, I'm sure I could kill anyone if they'd harm someone close to me. Only time can tell.
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Pherose · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 11:16 am Post subject:

Yes, I have heard about those so-called vigilanties. Those people are just some low life who wants fame by shooting first and ask questions later, they're often told that the person they killed was innocent.

The people that's not realated to the victim and still shot the suspect should be hunted down themself. They might even cause the victims family more pain by being so narrow minded. What if it was an accident?
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Xristyan · Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 2:33 pm Post subject:

i read somewhere that every single person has this tendency or capability to do murder no matter how far off their lifestyles maybe to any violence...

i would be hearing from the news like moms killing their own children... A girl decapitated by her lover... a supposed "mild mannered" dude suddenly goes on a shooting spree...

i think there would always be a reason for you to kill someone... no matter how illogical it may sound a reason is a reason... the end result will be at least one dead guy...
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xenocrisis0153 · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:27 am Post subject: Re: Do you have what it takes?

L4mE · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:35 am Post subject:

well for me i can't kill people in real life
"BUT" i'm really agressive in video game (mostly)
and easily get into berserk

and yes i belive i killed many enemies in video game
some people might think its ok but still we think of killing and that is bad sinc who know somebody who can;t restrain himself can kill because of games?

xenon10 · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:23 am Post subject:

Pherose · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

L4mE · Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

yes that is true that some thing like that is some rare occasion
and mostly its true that people only think game as stress reliever
so this is still something not dangerous yet

Pherose · Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:44 pm Post subject:

Yes, that's what we who play games think, but thoose who says games creates cold blooded killers can't see the actual effect games have on people.

They have propably never played a game for more than 3 days
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xenon10 · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:01 am Post subject:

i agree with you. these so called "violent games" dont affect the kids playing it. cuz, as you can see, they are just impossible. like i counter strike, even if you got shot, you still have 4 bars left(whatever you call it). and you still keep running and shoot the terrorists. now, wouldnt the kid even take a second and think how deadly guns are? and he's using virtual characters, non-living things, to do this kinda stuff. now, if the kid were to see a real murder scene, that would make him think another stuff. "if that guy can do it, why can't i?" thats where they are influnced to violence. thats why parents lead such a big role int he development of the kids. if they fight infront of them, of course, the ki'dll remember it and may even do it himself.

as for computer games, the only time they'll be influenced is when they play online games. cuz they'll be communicating with other people, either good or bad. the game doesnt influence him, but the player playing it at the same time. its up to the kid to believe that person or not.
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xenocrisis0153 · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:36 pm Post subject:

Since I started this whole video-game violence correlation, I suppose I should add a little more. Killing in video games doesn't necessarily make teens want to go out and buy guns and run around the neighborhood picking off every living thing they see, but what they do is lower the connection between thought and action. They can make people more impulsive (which can also be a good thing if you consider hand-eye coordination, but anyway).

As games are becoming more graphic, people (myself included) are becoming numb to horendous, disgusting, vomit-inducing images. If games had stayed the same as they were in the 80s, I probably never in my life would have seen meat lockers teeming with blood corpses (a la Hitman) or hookers laying on the street in a puddle of blood (GTA series). But now that I've seen that, I am able to view bloody messes without flinching.

Well, that's just the visual aspect of it. The act of killing is unarguably different. What some video games provide is a way to satisfy people's inherent desires to relieve stress. I'll admit, after a particularly bad day, I love to come home and play "GTA San Andreas" just so I can walk down the street with a sniper rifle and pick off the people who pissed me off during the day. I can certainly tell the difference between a CGI-person and a real-life human being... but to younger kids (6 and 7 year olds who end up arrested for murder have been known for getting their hands on these 17+ games), the line is blurred. They're not at the developmental age of telling the difference between reality and fake.

I'm pressed for time right now, so I gotta wrap this up quick... there's plenty more I can say, I'll come back to this later. I'll leave with this thought though: the United States Military actually sponsors the development of some war-themed video games. Can you think of any other reason why they would do that other than to create a youth generation prone to being easily trained killers?
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Blackhowlin1000 · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:04 pm Post subject:

Honestly i dont think id be able to just go up to some1 and kill them point blank. If i was forced to do it for like a family member or some1 i cared for that wood b a different story. but no i couldnt kill ne1 point blank
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Pherose · Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

Xenocrisis-> You're right, it's harder for younger kids to tell the difference between games and real life, but they do understand what it is they're doing in the game.

I have a cousin that's 7 years old, and he has played GTA: San Andreas, I was watching him makng sure he didn't do anything his mother wouldn't like, and he's sort of a car fanatic and wanted to drive all the cars in the game. But everytime he accidently hit someone with the car, he got a little upset and didn't want to play more, ofcourse he came back later to play some more but i know he knew what he did.

And on your point about games training future soldiers, the game doesn't improve their aim, but it improves their reflexes and it makes it easier for them to handle the guilt of killing someone.

I saw a documentry about the soldiers in iraq not so long ago, and there was one soldier that had shot a guy running with an ak, he said that when he pulled the trigger and the guy fell to the ground it felt like it was a video game.

Blackhowlin-> Please use proper english so we don't have to decode you're jibberish
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Xristyan · Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:21 am Post subject:

i think the only absolute way someone wil be able to kill a perfect stranger without a thought or hesitation whatsoever even though he gains nothing from it... and may even end up losing a lot from it is someone not having a proper mind... any normal person has this capability to think... and without the proper circumstances that would permit them to actually kil someone it is highly unlikely that they will do so.. however, someone who is not in their right minds will not have these thoughts... they cannot deduce the bad and good points of a situation.. hell i don't think they even think of anything at all. its all impulse and whim... and thus they are capable of killing someone just like that... so having a messed up mind can definitely lower your inhibitions on killing... that is why berserkers in war are useful.. Very Happy

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