Why America should NEVER have nuclear weapons

[quosimos]

Ichiro> i bought a book containing a collection of Bushisms when i holidayed in the states i was laughing so hard on the plane and trying to muffle the laughter cause i was sitting next to an American lady. for some reason u thought she might be offended.
There are some hilarious quotes in there. hmm where to start?

"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and principles, come and join this campaign."
"I understand small business growth. I was one."
"More and more of our imports come from overseas"
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully"
"They misunderestimated me"
"That's a chapter, the last chapter of the twentieth, twentieth, twenty-first century that most of us would rather forget. The last chapter of the twentieth century. This is the first chapter of the twenty-first century"
"There's a huge trust. I see it all the time when people come up to me and say, 'I don't want you to let me down again.'"
"I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family"
"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lotta numbers in it."
"If the East Timorians decide to revolt, I'm sure I'll have a statement"
"I will have a foreign-handed foreign policy"
"I think we ought to raise the age at which juveniles can have a gun."
"If affirmative action is what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it."
"Will the highways on the internet become more few?"
"This case has had full analysation and has been looked at a lot. I understand the emotionality of death penalty cases."
"If the terriers and bariffs are torn down then this economy will grow."
"We ought to make the pie higher."
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like its some kind of federal program."
"I think we agree, the past is over."

you dont need to spend too much time analysationing it

sayoku> the stork is a bird...geddit: storking? lol hehe

[sadakuro]

Considering what's happening right now in Irak, Americans should never have even an army
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[Tex_Arcana]

[Loveless]

Wow, to make such an retarded comment on the American military. Guess what bitches, Iraq does not effect you in anyway except lower/raise gas prices. You probably think you're special and not dragged into the mess of media but the truth is they've already got you. Better do your research before making bullshit claims. American should have nukes because these nukes keep people from blowing up America. Everywhere has an army not just America. Most people just aren't hippi lets be pacifists shit. Clearly only a few people here have done their research before talking about it.

If you think people are racist you're a racist too.

[Doomsought]

America Invented the nuclear weopons
so the title is garbage

the video just shows the worst out there
everybody knows 60 plus percent of the world populatioin is made of idiots

any way

we should go to war with mexico next
they are basicaly tossing their crimminals over the border
and
they are giving drug lords militery support
not to mention those million or so illegals every year
(legal aleans hate them too just so you know)
and now non-citizen riot claming thay have rights
WTF
they are illegal
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[leoxjm]

[Doomsought]

sory
I did speak a bit unclearly on the rights bit
they have the right not to get killed or tortured
but not to leach off our economy
nor do they have the right to live here

but

instead they are getting a free ride
in texas and california they are rioting
not only that
but they have been leaching off the area
forcing many hospitals and schools out of money that should be going to citizens

the problem is there are so many coming in we can't keep up with it
we need to punish them
the best way to do that I have heard of is in slave labor
(oh, yea! the punishment loop hole)
to make a great wall between between mexico and america
kick 'em out after two years of labor
the one we don't catch will flee then
saving the government money two ways

oh yea
we have only use nuclear weopons twice in anger
for WW2
nice track record huh?
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If violence isn't the answer, you didn't use enough.
Most people operate under a fundamental misconception:
they believe most if not all people are good
It is saddly verry much not so.

[sadakuro]

[silvermirage]

[xenocrisis0153]

[Doomsought]

the fact is that those nukes save thousands of not just american but japanees lives,
if we invaded they would continue thier fight till the last man attitude
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If violence isn't the answer, you didn't use enough.
Most people operate under a fundamental misconception:
they believe most if not all people are good
It is saddly verry much not so.

[leoxjm]

Oops. Looks like I misunderstood a bit of your point Doomsought. I apologize for that.

Anyway, talking about nukes: It's true, Americans used 2 nukes ever since their invention, one in Hiroshima and one on Nagasaki. You claim that that is an exemplary track record, while I disagree. I'll use two other perspectives:
1) Numbers: 100% of the Nukes employed in actual combat were used by the US. None of the other nuclear powers has ever used one other than in tests. That includes India and Pakistan, who hate each other's guts with a passion.
2) Facts: Now, if I recall correctly, both of those were cities crawling with civilians. The Hiroshima bombing alone was stimated to have killed 80,000 people, including women AND children. By that point the war in the pacific had already turned in favor of the US, which were advancing through the Japanese possitions and the Russians no longer had to worry about the Germans, which increased pressure on them. Even if Japan had gone through with its "until the last man" strategy most of their casualties would have probably been soldiers, not civilians. By definition if you're not willing to risk your life and die for your country you should NOT be a soldier, but that does not apply to civilians. Nuking Japan certainly saved tons of American lives that were bound to be lost in conventional engagements until the Japanese admitted defeat, but no Japanese lives were spared by the nukes. All they did was finish Japan off faster than normal while making a show of power to the rest of the world, specially to Stalin and the soviets. The life of an American is no more valuable than anyone else's, so saying that using nukes was ok because it saved american lives is, in my opinion, complete lunacy.

About drugs: Sadakuro posted my opinion in a nutshell. America buys over half of the world's drug production, if I recall correctly. I'm not sure of the actual percentage, but it is disproportionally high anyway. If Americans stop buying drugs nobody would have the incentive to produce and sell drugs in the first place. If nobody buys drugs nobody will sell them. It is as simple as that. Going to war in Colombia only means that the cocaine plantations are simply going to go somewhere else. Dealing with the supply side is not the solution.

About the illegal immigration stuff: Suggesting using illegal immigrants as slave labor was a funny joke. (nobody could be serious about something so ridiculous). Now, I could wrilte long about this, but there is actually a (rather) short online article that I feel mostly express my thoughts too. To make a long story short: If immigrants had protection under the law the companies/people who employ them have no incentive to employ them anymore because they would get into more trouble than their cheap labor is worth. I'm giving a link to the full article below. I warn you, though: the language used is highly offensive and I am NOT calling you a racist or anything of the sort by linking you to it. All I think is that you have a different opinion than mine, and if you still feel like thinking the way you do after reading what I (in this post) and this guy (the one in the article) have written, then you sure can because you are free to do so, but I would like you to at least consider other perspectives. If you're not going to read it because of my earlier warning then I'll explain the points this guy makes in a more civilized manner in another rant.
Link to the Article: here
An e-mail and reply to the article (may help clarify some points):here
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[Kaiser]

Hahaha, Maddox is awesome. I'm seriously tempted to buy his book.

Also if immigrants are coming to America to work, how are they leeching off society? Surely they pay their share of taxes and do their share in the economy?

[leoxjm]

[dracula17]