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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:41 pm Post subject:
darksimperson01 wrote:
Heh, I came with the same idea at about the same time Martin_G.
It would require some careful wording "Dies at the end of his expected lifespan from painless death", but I could see it being done.
However, if it didn't work, or if it wasn't worded carefully enough, it could cause instant death by heart attack, and that would lead to problems. It's a high risk venture with only a moderate reward and low chance of success.
Hmm I dunno, it seems unlikely.
If it can make it work, this would mean that the death note can influence the entire universe just to keep that person from dying early. Ever heard of the Chaos theory? Even the smallest dust particle from across the other side of the planet may have a significant effect on a person's fate. The note would have to control and change everything in this world in order to make that person die at the absolute precise moment.
I'm a little confused as to the role that the Shinigami play in the Death Note universe. Are they an important integral part of the Heaven and Hell system or are they merely "predators" that prey on the life-force of humans, simply to sustain their own existence?
It is beter to think of them as "predators". I don't want to go into much detail because of spoilers.
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Since the Shinigami eyes can see a person's name and remaining life-span, wouldn't that imply that "Fate" exists (since a person's life-span is pre-defined)? But then if a Shinigami or Light kills a person, doesn't that go against "Fate" since they are killing the person "before-their-time" and hence negate the existence of Fate?
Not really. There is a certain "notion" of fate, but it is just not fixed. People are born with a determinate lifespan, kind of like how long a battery will have energy in it. the ammount is finite. At the point it runs out they will die, either of old age, accident, heart attack, whatever the circumstance allows it for. It is not determined how they will die, only when. There is some "fate", in that sense, but what makes the death note special is that it makes the user able to circumvent that amount of "fate" and kill people earlier on. Kinda like just suck the battery dry before it is supposed to run out. It has a bonus for the shinigami of adding life, and maybe for people for giving them power, but that's about it.
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"Dies at the end of his expected lifespan from painless death", but I could see it being done
That would only work in specific circumstances, because the death note has a deadline of effect to it and there are limits to the time of death you can specify. I don't remember exactly, but it was about a few weeks. Anything beyond that is considered an impossible request and the person would die from a heart attack 40 seconds after writing the name. so, unless the "destined" time of death is within the death note's deadline, it would work. Otherwise not. _________________
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Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject:
Well the convo about Death Note has turned into a topic too intelligent for me to contribute towards to so I'll just squee about the anime
Lucky for me, even though I had read the manga...I've forgotten most things and the anime is like a good reminder. I'm really enjoying the anime, BGM and the way they are portraying the story and characters are top-notch. Jsut watched eppie 5 - 7 I think the way Light dealt with Ray Penber and the FBI was awesome...
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That would only work in specific circumstances, because the death note has a deadline of effect to it and there are limits to the time of death you can specify. I don't remember exactly, but it was about a few weeks. Anything beyond that is considered an impossible request and the person would die from a heart attack 40 seconds after writing the name. so, unless the "destined" time of death is within the death note's deadline, it would work. Otherwise not.
I don't remember if there was actually a specific time limit for the death mentioned in the rules for the notebook, but I don't think there was. One would also assume that Light could carry out a test
the same way he did with the other prisoners he tested on
But as I said before, it's a high risk venture with only a moderate chance of success, so it may be that Light had already thought of it and decided against it based on this. Or if that rule mentioned does exist
(though now I think about it, wasn't the busjacker thing planned a few weeks in advance?)
that may have been the reason why.
I don't remember if there was actually a specific time limit for the death mentioned in the rules for the notebook, but I don't think there was. One would also assume that Light could carry out a test
I believe there's something that's already turned up in the anime that clarifies this
otherwise it turned up in the manga, and as my memory is poor I can't remember which one it came from...possibly from the prisoner experiments from episode 3-4? there's a time limit to the effects anyway, and if this isn't adhered to then the usual death of heart attack will occur and so as darksimperson1 says, the risk is too high to test on himself
It's unlikely Light will try anything on himself anyway - his refusal to do the eyetrade despite it making his life easier to be Kira is a sign. Basically, his ego won't allow him to do anything that will affect his own lifespan unless he is fully confident in the positive effects of it.
When you consider the death note as well, as a tool that takes away life, what are the chances of it being able to extend a lifespan? Asides from the death gods themselves who benefit anyway...
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 3:55 am Post subject:
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When you consider the death note as well, as a tool that takes away life, what are the chances of it being able to extend a lifespan? Asides from the death gods themselves who benefit anyway...
In the case of Light's Death Note, when he kills someone, does the lifespan go to the Shinigami or is it not allocated to anyone?
Ok, with episode 8 I think we have some confirmation that might make the whole "using the death note to extend lifespan" thing possible.
And I quote "it'll work as long as it's a date before they are actually supposed to die, right?"
"I can't say for sure, but logically, it should be fine as long as it's within their lifespan."
Making our discussions at least theoretically possible.
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Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:51 pm Post subject:
darksimperson01 wrote:
Ok, with episode 8 I think we have some confirmation that might make the whole "using the death note to extend lifespan" thing possible.
And I quote "it'll work as long as it's a date before they are actually supposed to die, right?"
"I can't say for sure, but logically, it should be fine as long as it's within their lifespan."
Making our discussions at least theoretically possible.
then doesn't that mean you're not extending your life span but actually shortening it?
Someone had a very good analogy for the mechanics of lifespan in Death Note. A human's lifespan is like a battery, each person has a "limit" or "battery life". The Death Note essentially kills the person and takes their remaining lifespan for the Shinigami.
Edit: now that I've mulled the idea over more, I think I can see how someone could extend their life using the Death Note. Say you're involved in a war or have a very hazardous job. There's a high probability that you'll die before you reach the end of your lifespan. You may beable to use the Death Note to beat these odds by deciding exactly how and when you die and avoid being killed during the war/on the job.
lol here's a question for everyone. Would you prefer to know the exact time, place and way you die or would you prefer not to know?
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:49 pm Post subject: random thoughts
I think that If people knew when they were going to die that there would be a lot of procrastinateing. IE, 'Well I know i'm going to live for another 40 years anyway, so I'll go and get a degree later' Or, 'I'll apologize to such and such person in a few years cause i'm still a little upset'.
Not knowing our death date helps keep us honest. That said, Whenever Light gets around to upgrading to death god eyes, he could really start a lucrative business for himself. People would pay a lot to know when they die.
The fact that Light so adamently opposes the bargain is uncharacteristically naive of him.
Surely he doesn't think that he'll be able to pull some risky stunt off like he did with the x-fbi agent whenever he finally encounters L. While he played his cards pretty well with her, it was entirely too close to think that his cleverness will always save him.
But then again, he is rather cocky about himself, so I can see how it would be easy for him to be blinded by his ego. In his defence, I suppose he can just take a wait and see attitude. If he were willing to give up on the idea of killng L, I think he could get by with out the eyes, but he is definately bent on murdering him with cold ink. Personally, I would like to see him murder someone in cold blood. He has become very detached from what it must feel like to take someone's life and I wonder if there is any remorse to be reached in his callused heart.
changing the subject, I thought that Light made a very good point about L in the last episode. The fact that L was willing to sacrifice someone just for the sake of testing kira's power makes him just as bad as kira himself. He may have eased his own conscience by choosing a death row inmate (BTW, I had no idea that death row inmates were such good actors and so willing to be sacrificed.) but it still equates to L using a human life to further his own ends.
Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: The FORUM DEATH NOTE
ahem **raises voice**
I, the forum shinigami, here by grant Death Note powers to all replies hence forth in this topic. The rules are only that you must truelly want the person to be dead before you write their name in a reply, or it will not work.
should you chose to use this forum death note, do not delude yourself that you will have a normal death yourself. You abandon your right to heaven or hell for that matter.
-Martin
"If you have anger in your heart against your brother, then you are already guilty of murder." -Jesus
[spoiler]changing the subject, I thought that Light made a very good point about L in the last episode. The fact that L was willing to sacrifice someone just for the sake of testing kira's power makes him just as bad as kira himself. He may have eased his own conscience by choosing a death row inmate (BTW, I had no idea that death row inmates were such good actors and so willing to be sacrificed.) but it still equates to L using a human life to further his own ends
Technically I agree, but I think L absolved himself by saying that the person was scheduled to die at exactly that time (ie, would've died anyway at that exact time, but in a different way). In addition, I suppose there would have been a choice for the inmate between a definitive death via normal means, or the potential death by Kira, leading to the necessity for good acting (if Kira was different he may have lived, or they may have promised him a pardon and not carried it through, I dunno exactly, but there's a few different possibilities).
Bleh, the first bit should be in quote tags. This html on this forum is hard to use.
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