Have you ever shot someone in the face?

[Rhysticgon]

[quosimos]

According to the American Academy of Pediatrics:

Spanking may relieve a parent's frustration for the moment and extinguish the undesirable behavior for a brief time. But it is the least effective way to discipline.

* It is harmful emotionally to both parent and child.
* Not only can it result in physical harm, but it teaches children that violence is an acceptable way to discipline or express anger.
* While stopping the behavior temporarily, it does not teach alternative behavior.
* It also interferes with the development of trust, a sense of security, and effective communication. (Spanking often becomes the method of communication.)
* It also may cause emotional pain and resentment.

I think it is especially harmful to physically punish younger children because they are not as capable of relating the punishment to their behaviour.

I don't think it matters that much. Nobody is really posting in this thread. And it's not like we can actually hold a serious discussion about Jack Thompson. He's a git. What else is there to say?

[Rhysticgon]

[Fenix]

Another thing I forgot to point out; If you slap the kid for doing something bad, the kid will learn to lie to the parents the next time so they wont get slapped. I know this from experience.

I'm not afraid of my parents in any way, but I still never do things that might hurt them because I love them and because I hate to see them disappointed in me. The disappointment is the worst, it hurts more than a slap.

I was slapped a few times when I was younger too, and I know that it did more damage than good.

Now my parents sometimes try to threaten me in some way if I for example don't make my homeworks. They might say that they will take the internet away from me or something like that. When they say that, I might postpone the homeworks even more, just so they can see that threatening doesn't help, while if they talk to me about it, I might do it immediately. They know that threatening won't work with me, and neither will bribing me, like giving something when i do it well or get good grades. Their best bet is to have a civilized talk with me.

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[quosimos]

Another thing we should keep in mind is that slapping, whether parents endorse it or not, is only one aspect of parenting and surely not a matter of 'do or die'.

[Rhysticgon]

yes hitting is just one tiny bit of parenting, but because parents dont know how to "talk" to their kids yet, it seems to be a more effective way about doing things. Again from where I used to live, (now I live in NJ and well yeah ).

As for the kid picking up on how to lie... well yeah he might try it the 2nd or third time, but chances are saturated that if he has done something bad worth a slap, your going to find out about it, and when you do the punishment will just be worse (not the slap, of course the slap will still be there, but the other half of the punishment will be worse).

As for not being afraid in parents in any shape or form, yeah most kids arent, by a certain age, but in the early age parents need to keep a certain amount of fear yet security in the kid. thats all im saying. And dissapointment will always leave a longer mark then a slap, but a slap will trigger it right away. A talk will not. If the kid realizes that everytime he does something wrong, all he is going to recieve is a talk, hell see no problem doing it again, even if the parents thoroughly explain to him that it was wrong, it can shoot right out the ears.

Again, I'm not saying the dont hit your child method is ineffective, just in many cases it is; whilest in some: quite a bit, are effective, and quite effective at that. But the hitting method, I've never seen a ineffective kid come out of it yet.

My parents had always hit me when I was young when I stepped my boundaries, and I never once felt a bit of anger towards them. I'd cry like hell but after it subsided theyd come in and talk to me about what was wrong, and Id listen, because I knew I didnt want that to happen again. Not just the slap, but the talk was almost as if they had to pity me for what I did, and it gave me a lot of guilt. But if I never recieved the slap I can honestly tell you right now, whatever they told me would have passed through me without a second thought, and id be likely to do it again.


I do think it has to be the mentality of the country where you live in, and the lifestyle I guess, as to how the kid will react to certain things. Its a double sided question on whether hitting a child is bad parenting or not, and that little bit is only one factor in the whole of parenting, but like stated above, its just a difference in mentalities of the countries and lifestyles that implicate into the kids minds when their young.

[DingoEB]

I actually have to side with Rhysticgon. My parents did hit me when I younger and I turned out pretty okay. Yes my parents hit me, but that was due to my OWN stupidity. When I made the first mistake, my parents would just tell me why I shouldn't be doing that. However, due to forgetfulness or I just didn't learn, I repeated the mistakes. At some point, my parents would be like "okay we've told him tons of times that it is wrong, so there has to be another method of telling him where he will finally learn" and that's when I would get hit. And I believe that's where the problem/key of using physical discipline lies. The parents have to know when it's allowed and when it's not a good idea. Of course, if you make a mistake the first time and you get hit, chances are it'll have a negative effect.

I think there just has to be that tiny little fear of pissing off your parents. Heck, when I was younger and I did stupid things, even my older brother would discipline me. However it was in the form of push-ups. If I did something wrong, he'd get me to do push-ups. In fact there were times I'd do push-ups multiple times during a single day. But there was also the added fact that if I didn't do it, my brother would most likely have hit me. And when you're young and you're tired, you just don't want to do any more push-ups. I learned pretty quick what not to do, or I'd be doing push-ups all day long. So I think there just has to be that extra little incentive there for the kids to learn from their mistakes incase talking/other forms doesn't work.

Yes, I'm pretty sure there would be an arguement about how trying to instill the fear in the kids may actually have a negative impact. But it's a very fine line between having a negative impact and a positive impact. And I think it falls on parents to know when they're causing a negative mindset on your child and when you're having a positive one.

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And I guess thats one of the reasons why there are children who react badly to physical discipline. The parents have crossed the line with using physical discipline. (for some reason I cant put apostrophes in here)

[soveliss]

Several hundred times, all because of Resident Evil (most notably 4). If you don't count those games, well, then no. And even though I HAVE done it, I wouldn't say I take pleasure in shooting these pixels in the face. I mean, it's just a game...

[ZerosEdge]

Interesting.

Well when war comes to America (like full on invasion from another country and we have enemy soldiers walking to road looking for people to kill) I can see Jack Thompson getting his ass pwned and us gamers pwning.
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[pjshydra]

never shot anybody in the face . . . but i got to identify a body in a morgue of a friend of mine who was killed in a drive by. half his face had been blown off. no matter how graphic games get they will never come close to the real thing.