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Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Costa Rica
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 12:01 am Post subject:
well, must animes have their serious parts and themes (though somo really well hidden) to prove it we can discuss フリクリ (furi kuri, flcl or whatever you prefer), the series might just seem like a big mess but it deals with themes as the influence of big corporations over small countries (medical mechanica over earth), and how people that can benefit from it's profits (ãƒ?ルå?) just don't give a dam that people has to "think flat" (accept whatever anyone else says to them). Besides thing like this in it's almost senseless but brilliant comedy it shows directly themes like abuse in schools, self searching and others.
other anime like this ugly and beautifull world help you think about things you just don't pay attention to in life and stuff.
about cartoons, well thy used to be good until the moment bob sponge showed up and a whole new wave of crap started invading our poor tvs...
(that's why i quitted tv, fansubs rule!) _________________ -Satuross
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Carol>>> You like matured ones? But too bloody? No theme? You seems to be lost, what a cute lost sheep BAH RAMMM UUUUU....
"An angel with diapers drop down from the sky and point at Carol"
Let me explain from the start, u can't put "Anime" and american "animated movies/cartoon" into the same category. But 1st lets talk about the culture between the 2 community. Japan is a fascinating country pact with advanture, war, dreams, hentai & so so so.... when you blend them together u get Anime... A product from the artist in Japan, to show you their thoughts and draw it down to entertain you/ to earn some cash... Some are controversy/mainstream some are alternative. Mostly anime came from comics, when you turn pictures into screens, you will misout parts of the stories. Thus, misunderstanding occur and lead to disatisfaction.
We are audience, sometimes we like the ending; sometimes we choose our own ending. Castaway(movie.. this aint animated) let us choose our ending, Tom hanks was standing on the crossroad deciding where to go and the movie ends there. American got their audience, japan got their audience... so different satisfaction is needed.
Maybe you are too greedy, you want something from American animated films and you want something from Japanese anime. You get er... oriental animation? ooo... carol.... give and take, dont take for granted. I watch anime and comics because I want to be young again, stuff that i can't do in my age. Those characters really inspire me and let me keep going and going... and that is was anime for.... entertainment and a smile...
Joined: Nov 29, 2004 Posts: 8365 Location: Futaba District, Fukushima Japan
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 3:31 am Post subject:
carol_me_14 wrote:
Thats the main problems about animes though. TOO SHORT and more story oriented, Im sorry to say this, but its really a bad business for them since most animes only lasts 1 to 2 years, that wasnt enough to cater audiences. The only people who can actually access REAL ANIMES, like we do today are the ones who uses internet because of fansubs and the one who can afford DVDS every week. Unless you're into piracy but piracy is bad...
I actually prefer that animes have short lifespans. I want the closure and I want a solid conclusion without having to wait years and years. When the writers and producers map out the whole thing and KNOW exactly when and how they want the story to end, they can wrap things up nice and neatly. If they just contracted out for renewal every year, they'd never know if they should prolong the story or end it suddenly. If audiences get bored with a long story, they'll never know how it ends.
Plus, as you mentioned, if I have to buy more than 7 DVDs for one series, my wallet starts to cry.
There are plenty of serious anime out there, but of course they all have comedic and "cartoony" elements to them:
- Air (I cried after like every episode)
- Voices of a Distant Star
- Mahoraba ~ Heartful Days
- Last Exile
- Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex
that's all I can think of right away. A lot of other series start off like the typical anime, but about halfway through, they start to get serious. _________________ GTX: Great Teacher Xeno... my daily blog about teaching in an elementary and middle school in Japan (see right-menu)
Thats the main problems about animes though. TOO SHORT and more story oriented, Im sorry to say this, but its really a bad business for them since most animes only lasts 1 to 2 years, that wasnt enough to cater audiences. The only people who can actually access REAL ANIMES, like we do today are the ones who uses internet because of fansubs and the one who can afford DVDS every week. Unless you're into piracy but piracy is bad...
I actually prefer that animes have short lifespans. I want the closure and I want a solid conclusion without having to wait years and years. When the writers and producers map out the whole thing and KNOW exactly when and how they want the story to end, they can wrap things up nice and neatly. If they just contracted out for renewal every year, they'd never know if they should prolong the story or end it suddenly. If audiences get bored with a long story, they'll never know how it ends.
Plus, as you mentioned, if I have to buy more than 7 DVDs for one series, my wallet starts to cry.
There are plenty of serious anime out there, but of course they all have comedic and "cartoony" elements to them:
- Air (I cried after like every episode)
- Voices of a Distant Star
- Mahoraba ~ Heartful Days
- Last Exile
- Ghost in the Shell: Standalone Complex
that's all I can think of right away. A lot of other series start off like the typical anime, but about halfway through, they start to get serious.
I agree with you Xeno about that. All my anime DVDs have at least 13-24 episodes. These are not long but they pack story. This what makes anime unique to cartoons. It is better to watch a short anime than a episodic cartoon. _________________
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Joined: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 3819 Location: Within your darkest nightmares, and your deepest desires
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 10:48 am Post subject:
Actually it doenst matter which anime you watch. Every single anime that I can think of has at leat one mature and serious theme in it. EVERYTHING.
FMP?: Fumoffu - There are tons. Rape, fetishes, ghosts, blood, action violence, having sex, being ready to have sex, high school love, terroist threats, being prepared to die, homosexuality, prostitutes. And this is supposedto be a funny anime (well it is ). Not only that, it contains many of these themes in the same episode.
Excel Saga : NOT FOR CHILDREN. Nudity, adult language, tons of innuendos, sex, violence, just for starters. Even though it is funny, there is far to many adult things in it. Just because its funny does no mean it does not have adult themes.
See? Just in two animes I have pointed out that adult themes run rampant everywhere. There is no such thing as a "kids anime" Somewhere in there there will be some innuendo or some theme that they may not understand, but exists nonetheless. I think the reason for this is not only to give the adult watchers something to do, but because ADULTS make these shows. When you are an adult you cannot help but be involved in all these things. So they come out in your work.
And dont tell me that downloading anime from the internet is not wrong carol. Dont even get me started on that.
And what do you mean myth? Just by the fact that these shows are made for the age group of 15 to 25 means they will have some serious theme. If they were all stupid like a Looney Toons show theyn no older person would watch it. _________________ Miku Miku!!
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Joined: Mar 06, 2006 Posts: 25 Location: Costa Rica
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 4:17 pm Post subject:
whant more examples? how about Haruhi Suzumiya no Yuutsu, ecen if it might look "kiddy" at first sight it takes on serious themes like what do yo do when your life is reduced to the absurd, why are you here, what is your reason to live. and all this is hiden whitin a comedy mask for kids to see...
"You have to concentrate on more then meets the eye" _________________ -Satuross
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Joined: Nov 29, 2004 Posts: 8365 Location: Futaba District, Fukushima Japan
Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:06 am Post subject:
TrueAncestor wrote:
Actually it doenst matter which anime you watch. Every single anime that I can think of has at leat one mature and serious theme in it. EVERYTHING.
even though your examples are correct, are they part of the actual story, though or just standalone features added-in to perpetuate the series?
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And what do you mean myth? Just by the fact that these shows are made for the age group of 15 to 25 means they will have some serious theme. If they were all stupid like a Looney Toons show theyn no older person would watch it.
haha, true True... I'm past the wacky-zany stuff, I want stories that will make me think and get me emotional.
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And dont tell me that downloading anime from the internet is not wrong carol. Dont even get me started on that.
nani? I guess I need to actually read this thread to see where that came from ^_^;
EDIT... oh, I guess you're referring to this...
carol_me_14 wrote:
The only people who can actually access REAL ANIMES, like we do today are the ones who uses internet because of fansubs and the one who can afford DVDS every week. Unless you're into piracy but piracy is bad...
well, I don't know what you mean by "real anime" because fansubs, legit DVDs and bootlegs are all anime... I mean, you get the story either way. I'm not starting a debate here (and no one else is going to either), but I can look away with issues of fansubs, but buying bootlegs is wrong... I don't see how anyone can defend that argument _________________ GTX: Great Teacher Xeno... my daily blog about teaching in an elementary and middle school in Japan (see right-menu)
Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:08 pm Post subject: forgive my small attention span for not reading all of this
well....i believe that yes there are some stories that get to you and make you go "WTF!" because it's so twisted that you want to hurl "Ichi the Killer" but the truth is there are a variety of people who look to these animes and review their own life in a new light, what if i was enslaved and forced to fight.(now and then here and there.) Why do i have to have this huge responsibility?(Neon Genisis Evangelion) and so forth. These animes just try to make people think what if this really happened to them. So yeah, but i think it isn;t a myth that MOST anime don't have serious storylines. Just look at FLCL it takes a look at the society and under the liarious antics. it's just about a kid trying to grow up in a life and wishing it was more exciting for him.
Not with this dig into surface nonsense again because you've only seen Akira, Evangelion and Ghost in the Shell. Though I like the Stand Alone Complex series...
Lets face it! Like ironstove said, most animes dont have matured and serious storylines anymore. Infact, most animes today already started the american cartoons bandwagon that popularized by Genndy Tartakovsky that everyone seemed copying it. Just to sell their so called products and merchandise, like Yu Gi Oh, Pokemon, Crush Gear, Beyblade, PPG Z, etc...
The only so called matured animes that we can call right now are only sells on DVDs that not everyone can buy it. But look at in your local and cable animes right now, its plaguing with Yu Gi Oh, Pokemon, Mirmo de Pon, Beyblade, etc...
Even here in the Philippines it just PLAGUING. There are some matured animes, but most of them are MEH... like the law of ueki in Animax and HERO TV.
I could stand CN and Nick shows most especially than these so called matured animes. I mean, can you considered Yakitake!! Japan serious/matured anime?
Therte are matured/serious anime out there. Countless. You just have to look harder.
But I'd recommend you stick to downloading subs and not watching what the local networks offer. Thay're NOT just after money you see....they are just servicing their audience, like Hero, which is for the Filipino kids of the mass base. I'd rather you do that than spew more venom on how horrible/childish/what-have-you their choice of shows are and how their dubbing suck, even piss off the fans of the said shows(yes, there are). Because it's clear that this channel is not for you.
And to other forumers, don't think that those who like these shows and are above 13 are any less knowledgeable and/or intelligent than you are. Because, mature/serious anime make not an intelligent person.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:52 am Post subject:
What kind of myths inspire anime anyway? In what way do Japanese storytelling traditions influence anime? I've never thought about it.
There was an ASource new submission a while back. The link took me to a news site promoting Philip Brophy's book 100 Anime where he writes that anime is an "escape from archaic classical Greek and Judeo-Christian western entertainment. (It) is devoid of the western tropes that saturate American family-oriented blockbusters. But that's why I like it"
So what does it have instead?
I'm a little tired to think about it very thoroughly. Maybe somebody can just give me the answers
Asuka>>> I agree with you about HERO TV... They show anime for the kids only.
Quosimos>>> Japanese Folklore and Mythology influences anime storytelling.
Anime is of Asian origin and known for the diversity in genre. It evolved from time which makes it unique from western cartoons. You can never see the same thing in anime. _________________
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). Not only that, it contains many of these themes in the same episode.
