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Joined: Jan 21, 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Eternal plains, Nowhere
Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: Bring back the old Religions !!
I say we bring back the old Religions like that of the Norse Mythology and The Greek mythology. Both of these religions were not based on getting into heaven (because there was no heaven), but both were concerned with living a good life and beign a hero of great stature one that will protect it's fellow man.
In greek mythology there was no heaven just an afterlife in which all souls are able to rest (exept for the bad one that were punished continuasly). Beign a hero in the Greek mythology meant that you were respected more so than a movie star (which lead to a good life). In the greek religion this is what all children were told to do was to become great men and bring honor to their family. Unlike the regular religions today you didn't have to waste 2-3 years of your life in some damn building listening to some person read the same thing over and over, all you had to do in the Greek religion was offer a little sacrifice every now and then.
In the Norse Religion all you had to was resist evil and never give in even at the point of death, which is really hard if you are psycologically weak. But as it was in the Greek religion the children were tought that they should not fear death if they know they lived a good life. The after life was what everyone wanted because the trully heroic could live a second life until the battle of Ragnarock which is the end of the world where all is destoyed and evil will finally rule. So the basis of this religion was to not be concerned with what you did or how you life sucked, but it was based on how much you enjoyed your life with no regret.
these two religions were based around honor and beign hero that protected their people, which I think that people today have forgotten what it meant to do these things.
I don't think it's possble to revert back to want to be an honorable hero. This day and age? Too late I say.
Homer Simpson wrote:
Those Gorillas are happy! Obesity, Boredom, It's the American Dream!
And that'd really be defying human nature because it's in our nature to believe what we agree with, or want, like being rewarded in the afterlife even though real life sucks- heaven. I'm not religious but I want that so bad.
I don't think it's possible to think mythology credible. It's like some guy spent his entire day thinking of new gods with new powers, it must have been their version of manga and graphic novels. Then some other guy thought "man this is so cool!" and made another religion and it divided into Egyptian, Greek, Roman, nothing agrees with anything. There's some real thought and hard work put into the bible though.
I don't think it's possible to think mythology credible. It's like some guy spent his entire day thinking of new gods with new powers
There's some real thought and hard work put into the bible though.
OMG, THE BURNING BUSH IS TALKING TO ME!!
all joking aside, i believe that arguments like that fail to make any point, negative or otherwise. to me, the whole lore of christianity is a crock of bull to be read along the same lines as the mythos of Lord of the Rings and Redwall (all hail the Book of Matthias!)
when you look past the presentation of greek, roman and norse mythology, they say the same thing as any other religion. live a "good" life and you will be rewarded. so in fact, it really isn't a matter what name you attatch your beliefs to, but rather, what you percieve to be a "good" life. to some, going out in a good way was in hordes of wealth, countless offspring and wide tracts of land. others threw themselves at their mortal enemies and hewed as much flesh as their lifespans would allow. and the pansy's read a book =P. _________________
Joined: Jan 21, 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Eternal plains, Nowhere
Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:
Well said, but to me I really think that all relion sucks and that people take it way out of proportion. I think that religion today is way to easy, like Christianity all you do is say that your sorry and you get a clean slate.
WTF!! If I killed some one and then go ask for forgiveness, do a couple of prayers and its like it never happened, and if I repent when I die my past sins will be forgiven, so what was the point of my life.WTF!!
Is this what we want to teach our children that its okay to hurt people you can still go to heaven if you say your sorry.WTF!!
With the old religions you had to work for your spot in the after life and even then the after life wasn't all that great. But what I hate most about the new religions is not the figures of the relion, but what they teach.
For example, theres a guy who murdered another guy right in front of his freind, and the murderer is Christian. SO ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ASK "GOD" FOR FORGIVENESS AND HE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN. WTF!!
Thats practically what Cristianity is all about, as long as you are sorry you can go to heaven. BULLS**T!!
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Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:13 am Post subject:
sorophose wrote:
For example, theres a guy who murdered another guy right in front of his freind, and the murderer is Christian. SO ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ASK "GOD" FOR FORGIVENESS AND HE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN. WTF!!
Thats practically what Cristianity is all about, as long as you are sorry you can go to heaven. BULLS**T!!
There are different religions with different punishment
ya may make mistakes (big mistakes) in your life without realizing and when ya want forgiveness they throw ya to hell
dont ya think that's rude
dont think of revenge or anything else
imagin that ya killed someone and after 2 years or 3 ya raelized what ya did was wrong then dont ya think ya need someone to forgive ya and make ya live better life than ya used to live
we cant punish ya for a sin that ya commited and felt sorry about it
ya have to learn how to forgive
if God will throw every criminal to hell there wouldnt be any poeple left in this world
forgive and correct your mistake while ya can. _________________ "Blogger"
Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Bring back the old Religions !!
sorophose wrote:
In the Norse Religion all you had to was resist evil and never give in even at the point of death, which is really hard if you are psycologically weak. But as it was in the Greek religion the children were tought that they should not fear death if they know they lived a good life. The after life was what everyone wanted because the trully heroic could live a second life until the battle of Ragnarock which is the end of the world where all is destoyed and evil will finally rule. So the basis of this religion was to not be concerned with what you did or how you life sucked, but it was based on how much you enjoyed your life with no regret.
Kinda right, kinda wrong. Norse mitholigy did have a "hell" of sorts, niffelheim, if I recall (sorry I studied this looong ago and I'm rusty). ANyway, anyone who died went there, except the warriors who died in battle (both the righteous and the not-so) who were led to Valhalla by the Valkyries to partake in an eternal feast and battles until the end of the world. If I recall, the "hellish" place was rather hellish, and any warrior worth the name would have preferred to go to Valhalla way more than there.
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For example, theres a guy who murdered another guy right in front of his freind, and the murderer is Christian. SO ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ASK "GOD" FOR FORGIVENESS AND HE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN. WTF!!
Yup because saying "sorry" fixes everything.
WRONG! Actually you got that wrong in many levels. There are different types of christianity, so what you just said depends really on which version of christianity you are talking about. Second, It's not just "sorry"; according to christian belief the person truly, absolutely ,100% has to repent for his/her sins in order to go to heaven. So if you're like 0.00009% cool with having killed the person.. Oops! it's hell for you. Murder is a capital sin, you know?
Anyway, I'm not a christian, nor do I believe in any religion at all. Heaven, hell, whatever is there I don't really care. I don't do things people consider good because of a reward in an afterlife of questionable existence or in a reputation I won't care about (I'll be dead; you don't care about stuff when you're dead! You're a friggin' corpse!). I like to do "good" things because I like it and because I want the people i care about to be happy. That is also the reason why I do "bad" things as well. I think religion is interesting and a guiding light for people's life, So even if it's not mine I like to treat it with respect and not refer to it as "BULLS**T!!"
I think religion, any relgion, is the impetus of dissatisfaction. This often leads to violence and a lot of other nasty stuff. It's probably better to limit spirituality to the individual and forget the notion of imposing such beliefs to the rest of society.
Religion is politically motivated and socially dominating, all relgions tend to [at some level] have a totalitarian agenda- the whole world has to follow them.
Well said, but to me I really think that all relion sucks and that people take it way out of proportion. I think that religion today is way to easy, like Christianity all you do is say that your sorry and you get a clean slate.
Hahahaha You're the one taking things out of proportion! That's not right at all! Incase you didn't know, God hates, and so does Jesus.
Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
Truly being sorry for your actions will restore God's love in you but you will still go to hell, because you create hell for yourself, God doesn't. You don't know much about religion do you?
sorophose wrote:
WTF!! If I killed some one and then go ask for forgiveness, do a couple of prayers and its like it never happened, and if I repent when I die my past sins will be forgiven, so what was the point of my life.WTF!!
Asking for forgiveness does not grant forgiveness
Psalm 101:3 I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes: I hate the work of them that turn aside; it shall not cleave to me.
sorophose wrote:
Is this what we want to teach our children that its okay to hurt people you can still go to heaven if you say your sorry.WTF!!
Holy Crap! I can't believe what I'm reading! I'm not sure who you have a grudge against, Christians or spoiled OC kids. There is a difference, you don't go out much do you?
sorophose wrote:
For example, theres a guy who murdered another guy right in front of his freind, and the murderer is Christian. SO ALL HE HAS TO DO IS ASK "GOD" FOR FORGIVENESS AND HE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN. WTF!!
For your information that axe murderer is screwed so don't think he got away with anything. I'm not sure why but I think you're making this up.
sorophose wrote:
Thats practically what Cristianity is all about, as long as you are sorry you can go to heaven. BULLS**T!!
And I thought I was an atheist. I've chose to be an atheist after carefully studying and getting my facts straight. I hate Christian jerks just as much as you do but this... even as a fellow atheist, I can't respect you.
Replacing one kind of stupid superstition with another. When you talk about the old religions you only talk about the supposedly superior values you asscociate with them, you never talk about the existence of the old gods. Should't the existence of these gods be the only reason to follow the religion. I mean if you like the teachings of Jesus but don't think that he was divine and don't think that there is a god you don't consider yourself Christian.
People like having imaginary friends. It makes sex all the more fun when you think someone else is watching... This is why the most religious communities tend to have so many kiddies!
Replacing one kind of stupid superstition with another. When you talk about the old religions you only talk about the supposedly superior values you asscociate with them, you never talk about the existence of the old gods. Should't the existence of these gods be the only reason to follow the religion. I mean if you like the teachings of Jesus but don't think that he was divine and don't think that there is a god you don't consider yourself Christian.
you bring up a very good point, affenkopf. to what extent do you have to believe in order to associate yourself with a religion? as i stated previously, most religions are similar in that they attempt to persuade followers to follow a set of laws/morals/whathaveyou. most religions are based on, simple as it may seem, anecdotes of past happenings that illuminate what the religion is about. there are plenty of people who will call themselves christian, but believe the bible to be more metaphor than actual history. there are also the hardcore who read the bible word for word. at what point can you seperate them and distinctly call one a christian, and the other not? if both end up following the teachings, albiet at their own interpretation, can you really say that they are all that different? _________________
Joined: Jan 21, 2007 Posts: 50 Location: Eternal plains, Nowhere
Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:30 am Post subject:
WOW that is a lot of angry feed back I feel amberassed and sort of regretful for ever posting the topic, but hey that life live, regret learn. So what I learned is religion topics are taboo it took me 2 topics to realize but now I'm sure. No more religion for me.
So as I sometimes do I apologizes for steping on the views and beliefs of the peole both religios and non-religios. On that note I would also like to add that just like the bible this post was also written by a human with his own views.(O.K. the bible was written by a number of people over a longer period of time, but I did put some thought into this). I would also like to state to Mannadict_Reborn that bible quotes mean diddily squat that is because it was written by different peole durring different times, with different views, so it is a book that constantly contridicts itself. so that means that any of you who uses the bible, or part of it as a source for your argument, makes it void.( that's one of the basic things in Theology, don't trust the words in the bible only the meanning behind them.)
I'm also not sure that some of you have read my first post or second post closely enough because I was a little dissapointed in the fact that hardly anyone mentioned anything about the teaching of the church and how kids today totally ignore them. Allmost all of you just seemed so concerned on the idol figgure of Catholocism and not it's innerworkings.
Well whatever this is what I have assesed in my report of this topic and so I will no longer be replying to this thread, but I will still be looking to see if anyone else has replied. one last thing sorry for the cursing if it has disterbed anyone. If anyone has any further questions just P.M. me.
P.S. Its O.K. if you don't like me or what I talk about I don't relly care because of my many experiences I have discovered that humans think too highly of themselves, but in reality almost every action we take is because we are afraid , either it an iota of fear ora lot of fear. I also belive that because our human condition of fear is the reason we come up with these imaginary beigns as our rulers, humans are afraid of being alone. From the time we are young have always been told what to do so we got used to it and created these beings so that they can guide us.
WOW that is a lot of angry feed back I feel amberassed and sort of regretful for ever posting the topic, but hey that life live, regret learn. So what I learned is religion topics are taboo it took me 2 topics to realize but now I'm sure. No more religion for me.
Not quite, the only visably angry one here is you and it's not your topic that anybody has a problem with. Religion isn't taboo, you'll notice nobody is cussing at you or even at half the level of your exitement.
sorophose wrote:
I would also like to state to Mannadict_Reborn that bible quotes mean diddily squat that is because it was written by different peole durring different times, with different views, so it is a book that constantly contridicts itself.
Actually those are quotes from Jesus, not any of the authors. And it's not the book that contradicts itself, it's the old and new testaments that contract themselves. In Christianity, God is the powerless God as He is today. in Judaism, God is an all powerful terrorist, etc. Hence different religions. You're gonna hafta explain what you mean by "book". Trinity, TeNaKh, Torah, Qu'ran, ???
sorophose wrote:
(O.K. the bible was written by a number of people over a longer period of time, but I did put some thought into this).
No offence but it sounds like you only put thought into this. Your inconsistent ramblings and all the WTFs left not much of an impression of education, if any at all (religion).
sorophose wrote:
I'm also not sure that some of you have read my first post or second post closely enough because I was a little dissapointed in the fact that hardly anyone mentioned anything about the teaching of the church and how kids today totally ignore them.
You hate that they believe they're special, you hate how they think they're going to heaven and leaving you behind. You want them to be just as miserable as they should be, for you view their religion as "restriction", restriction of common sense and restriction of free thinking. You can only accept them if they are totally commited prudes, or in other words, unhappy. Well that's what I read anyway.
Let me offer you 3 words of wisdom, LET IT GO. If they look down on you, look down on them, don't bark like a dog because even as a barking dog they're still looking down on you. Don't play their game, you're losing.
sorophose wrote:
P.S. Its O.K. if you don't like me or what I talk about I don't relly care because of my many experiences I have discovered that humans think too highly of themselves
No offence but TRUST ME, you don't have many experiences, because you refer to humanity as "themselves" instead of "ourselves". If you don't view yourself as human, you've got a ways to go- experience wise for you have portrayed so so so many human characteristics from what I can read.
sorophose wrote:
but in reality almost every action we take is because we are afraid , either it an iota of fear ora lot of fear. I also belive that because our human condition of fear is the reason we come up with these imaginary beigns as our rulers, humans are afraid of being alone. From the time we are young have always been told what to do so we got used to it and created these beings so that they can guide us.
Very true, very true indeed. But from what I've learned, not wanting to be alone is what makes us human in the first place- that was the point of your thread right- to find others who share your ideals, maybe to convert others to your ideals? Sorry but not many Christian bashers out here Unhappiness loves company. You're unhappy. But you changing is a solution too right?
To sum it up, the purpose of life is the pursuit of happiness. If religion makes people believe they will be happy after death, kudos to them, who gives a damn? They seem to be closer to happiness than you, instead of trying to trip people on the stairs, just start walkin.
Start reading. Knowledge is power, which is why you don't have it. My reasons for being atheist can be found here:
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You're the one taking things out of proportion! That's not right at all! Incase you didn't know, God hates, and so does Jesus.
Holy Crap! I can't believe what I'm reading! I'm not sure who you have a grudge against, Christians or spoiled OC kids. There is a difference, you don't go out much do you?
This is why the most religious communities tend to have so many kiddies!
