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mangaddict_reborn
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 Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: The kidney conundrum |
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Say there is a 70 year old guy in the hospital and he's dying  because he has been suffering the past month without a kidney.
You don't know who he is or have a personal attachment to him but you know he is a kind old man who has his daughter's wedding to look forward to and he looks forward to handing her down the aisle.
He is an hour away from dying and you're the only one around that can donate the kidney he needs to survive. Would you donate a kidney?
Before everybody says yes, keep in mind after the kidney transplant, he has a 75% of surviving the next day cause he's old and if he were to die, you would not get your kidney back because it would be damaged goods after being removed and implanted twice.
Also without your kidney, you would be overall less healthy for the rest of your life.
Completely made up scenario, no scientific arguing permitted
Would you donate your kidney under these circumstances?
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Fission2
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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no, because i don't know this guy and b, he doesn't 'need' a kidney to survive, he can simply undergo blood dialysis treatment and have this wastes extracted from his blood
lots of people waiting for kidney transplants use this treatment
edit: no scientific reasoning permitted huh...
answer is still no because he aint family. if he was family then prolly, but this dude is as good a stranger to me than anyone else. you said it already, i don't have any personal attachment to him so why would i care/donate if the question says that i don't care about him?
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mangaddict_reborn
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ultimasome
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:49 am Post subject: |
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Of course i'll give him...he's old,right? and he will survive and live then why not.
as long as i did something good wheither for ssomeone i know or someone stranger...but i know my family will refuse they cant make sure that the same thing isnt gonna happen to me too
i mean maybe i'll get sick having one kidney.
but if that's not gonna happen then i'll say yes without hesitating ^__^
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technomo12
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| Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:08 am Post subject: |
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to me these is my answer ill ask that man if he want to live if he says yes then w/o hesitation ill give him mine but if he says no then that means no ill just tell him im not asking 4 any favors just that im only doing this 4 im only human and humans was given the chance to choose by god and that is called free will and im not asking 4 any payment or favors im just doing wat is right and not the smart way to think
[this is not a scientific answer that is a bible answer]
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Renzoken
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No... Simply because hes a complete stranger to me and i don't know him. If i have to worry about every sick person in the world i would probably die from guilt and worries. As people say ignorance is bliss. I'm not gone try be a hero or play mr justice or something in those lines. World is unfair and i just accepted it and live with it. Having asthma all my life, my life hasn't all been easy either. But knowing that someone else might suffer in my place for giving up a kidney or something... nah i rather die. Beside 70 isn't that bad age to die. Especially if you lived a good life.
And knowing your daughter is gone get marrier is only adding to the thought of resting in peace since shes being taken care of than.
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onizukapwns
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Answer to scenario:No. accompanied maybe by a "Part of life is hardship. I suppose the last hardship, is not being able to see your daughter married. Not everyone ends life with their final desires achieved. Just be happy that you know this fact."
Well, this is just me typing. In real life, I would probably say something like "mmm that sucks." to be nice.
but yeah, it is only fair that everybody lives and we dies in a lifespan- and hardships are a part of teh deal too.
I personally wouldn't even consider "not seeing somebody married" a hardship. My death hardship would be "give me this kidney so I can kill the guy who fled to mexico that molested my daughter and slayed my wife- no actually, you do it, and do it before i die." and even in THAT scenario, it's probably the case that I wouldn't have my last urge satisfied.
Egh, I guess i kinda believe in "everyone is responsible for their own fate, and everyone is responsible for the ill fate they cause to others."
hehe, if this was an anime, I will probably do something symbolic like "watch his daughter's marriage on his behalf". But in reality, she might hate me, so I may not.
If the old man ASKS for it, NO OMG NO! this request is completely selfish!
BUT, If he was a she, and she happens to be my "other half", then yes, because this is a different kind of love we're talking about.
btw, there's different forms of love. I think Ethos would be that girl-guy romancey one, and some other greek word would represent the one you'd feel for the old guy. maybe you'll want to look that up, might be interesting o.o?
Btw... err... i answered the question on ur scenario, but ... the daughter is having a marriage after his dad's death X__X
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ceramic_alchemist
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NEVER. My kidney's have been raped and abused me be already  |
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genryou
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| Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: |
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| ultimasome wrote: |
Of course i'll give him...he's old,right? and he will survive and live then why not.
as long as i did something good wheither for ssomeone i know or someone stranger...but i know my family will refuse they cant make sure that the same thing isnt gonna happen to me too
i mean maybe i'll get sick having one kidney.
but if that's not gonna happen then i'll say yes without hesitating ^__^ |
as usual some......u always gave a completely rare answer......heh
absolutely no 4 me, i,m still young and still hv a future awaits me....if i gv him my kidney, how am i supposed to live my live properly? and what if i gave him my kidney and he somehow only manage to live 4 only a week.......kinda waste if u ask me...
sry old man, i juz trying to be honest.....but somehow if i die before u, i,ll gv u my kidney, both of it........ |
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ultimasome
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| genryou wrote: |
| as usual some......u always gave a completely rare answer......heh |
this is rare answer too?
hmm weird...dont ya think?
think that someone (one life) will be saved if ya gave him/her your kidney..they may not appreaciate ya or maybe wont but all that matters that i saved one whole life and it makes me feel happy
dunno why?
but saving people's life is something people should not have to make it sound like its something not special or not important
dont ya want to make others happy?
dont ya want to see their smile?
dont ya feel like ya saved something very imporatnt not only to ya but to the world your living?
well to me if i had to give my life in order to save one single human im ready for it (though i may regret it after i feel the pain ^^; )
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KaRei
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ultimasome wrote: |
think that someone (one life) will be saved if ya gave him/her your kidney..they may not appreaciate ya or maybe wont but all that matters that i saved one whole life and it makes me feel happy
dunno why?
but saving people's life is something people should not have to make it sound like its something not special or not important
dont ya want to make others happy?
dont ya want to see their smile?
dont ya feel like ya saved something very imporatnt not only to ya but to the world your living?
well to me if i had to give my life in order to save one single human im ready for it (though i may regret it after i feel the pain ^^; ) |
You'll safe a life, but for how long and for which cost? You'll add him few years, if not only months, but you'll lost several times more years from your own life and the rest of your life will be paintful.
People in his age knows that death may came at any day and they're conciliated with it. He would probably refuse your suggestion if he wouldn't be in comma, telling you to spare your own life and health. And he'll give you a happy smile with "thank you" in his eyes because he knows that you would do that. But when you'll really give him such a GIFT, his face would be worried with a question: "Why?" |
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sorophose
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| Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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No i would not because he is an old man that I do not know and I would't even do it even for a family member. If you ask me why i would say because my organs are the only things that anybody can't take away from without my knowledge and consent. (except if they drugged me took them out, and left me in a bathtub full of ice at a cheap hotel. damn mob!)
P.S. no scientific answers take the fun out of the question, I dislike morality it's only an excuse.( to me it is I don't know about you guys). |
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mangaddict_reborn
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| sorophose wrote: |
P.S. no scientific answers take the fun out of the question, I dislike morality it's only an excuse.( to me it is I don't know about you guys). |
I just meant no arguing with me and so forth. Donating your kideny doesn'ts have to be the only solution, blood dialisis would be a temporary fix, so on and so forth. |
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ultimasome
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KaRei>>>im not doing this for his smile or cause he will say thanks to me or anything else
as long as i made him live for a minute that's enough
some people wants to live for a minute even with the pain just to do something they couldnt do it when they were with full health
they may want to be forgiven for the sins that they comited n their lives and to see something i might never had seen in my whole life
i dont wanna save him in order for him to see his daughter's wedding or anything like that
i wanna save a life
well maybe ya wont understand that
but im not gonna give my kidney without gaining anything
i gain something for me and from that old man as well
ya got what i mean,right?
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KaRei
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| Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| ultimasome wrote: |
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i wanna save a life
well maybe ya wont understand that
but im not gonna give my kidney without gaining anything
i gain something for me and from that old man as well
ya got what i mean,right? |
I understand you very well, because ... I was same. Help others to make them happy, think about others and after then about myself. But ... I already realized something you didn't yet.
I know the great feeling of saving a life, although not a human one. It was when I with my cousin found a swallow with a wing glued together. She was doomed to die with starve. We cleaned her wing with technical benzin and she was able to fly. We let her go and it was great feeling when I saw her fly. But she was still in a shock from meeting with humans and thus she landed on a yard. A cat then made one quick jump and ... my feeling changed in a second. From that good feeling nothing survived. Nothing. Even when it was an animal, I was already connected with that creature. I rather not imagine a despair if it would be a human, like that old one man from our example.
Last year was a black one for me. My fried died on a leucemia, uncle on a cancer of lungs and my aunt because she was old. It was paintful lost because I was connected with all of them, more paintful because it was too much in a short time. I felt most sorry for my friend, coz she was only 17 and had whole life in front of her. She didn't deserve such an end. If she would be in the position of that old man, I would give her my kidney. But I won't give my kidney to that unknown old man, because ... I wouldn't want to be connected with him, I wouldn't want see another known person dieing.
Good feelings will vanish away, only despair will remain. |
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