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Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:
mstice wrote:
ultima- I'm sorry that you think you have a problem. I'm sorry that your culture, like most in the world, thinks that because you have feelings towards the same sex means that there's something wrong with you. There isn't. The idea that you "used to be gay" but don't think you are now even though you still get those feelings when you're around other girls shows that being gay isn't some illness you can just treat and cure. It's a part of who people are and there isn't anything wrong with it. I hope that one day you can see that and be comfortable with that part of yourself, but I understand if right now you can't. And if it actually helps you to be happy, please feel free to dismiss everything I've said.
Huh? I never felt that I was wrong neither that I have problem. I just realized that the girl I've fallen in love with was the result of a hetro people loving each other and such. They did gave birth to a wonderful girl and so I felt that I need not stop my life in a place where I need to adopt children rather than to have my own or to force some items to get in to feel the joy or to just hang out with useless feelings. Oh and don't forget that many girls have true feelings for their first b/f but it changed as some matters happened and a new true feelings reproduced. I'm sure most, if not all, homo people feel the same way, but with people supporting them to stay the way they are, poor they.
Now that I changed, I only say "Damn those people that didn't even try to change me!". Well, that's what I think some of homo people will say after realizing how great life is with the other sex rather than the same one.
And its an honor to continue debating with you even by PM. But do read the previous posts before that. Cause your missing the plot! _________________ "Blogger"
mst> ooookay
I did questioned before and I don't mind questioning again and again or debating it with anyone over and over. I already said that my religion isn't based on blind believe but thanx for the advice. It would be better if you questioned yours whether its from a religion or made on ur own, too.
I have a feeling that u'll check this thread....or at least read the posts. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
Joined: Jan 02, 2007 Posts: 683 Location: Czech Republic
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:
Oh well, oh well.
Mstice came with an idea that homosexuality is natural and so it shouldn't be threated like an illness.
Hey, having weak eyes is natural too, but this doesn't mean I'll keep it and won't do anything against it. I have weak eyes and although it is natural, I am doing something to be like others - I wear the glasses to see like others.
So by mstice I should smash my glasses into pieces because it is natural and I shouldn't be taking it as an illness.
Why we should step back because of homosexuals, and not because of those with weak eyes for example? You have a large banner saying "For homosexuals this and that".
And here I will raise a banner: "5cm letters in every book/newspapers", because small letters are against those with weak eyes. It's unfair against us.
Your words are really strange. You want something just for somebody, and something else for somebody else. All those people with this or that handicap have somehow do their best to be like the others, but for some absolutely non-understandable reason you choosed homosexuals as the favorites for whom the society will do what homosexuals want. _________________
Joined: Dec 12, 2008 Posts: 1004 Location: between reality and lies
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:12 pm Post subject:
trueline wrote:
Mellow> Now calm down. You're really being driven by your emotions and thats why I said let us use our mind in such cases.
Just when did I said homo are disorder? if you read my post well again you'll see that I said there's a history of psychological studies that consider them as disorder. I brought that subject to show you how some researches were made just for their own good, to fullfill their goals. And you accused me being mean, rude, and whats not -______-
When I say I'm against them, it doesn't mean I beat them or eat them after boiling them on hot pot with salad. .
Trueline..i am soo sorry...please forgive me for being so rude to you..i know you meant no harm and i'm so sorry if i was a jerk.
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I used to be gay and I'm starting to have the same feeling each time I meat a bunch of girls. But I can't stop my life here. I won't be deceived by others saying "Your born gay!". This is ridiculous.
Ult> I can't agree with you..i just can't. You use to be gay and i believe either you just wanted to try it out or you let society change you..why deny your emotions?
Ult if you like girls do it , its not a problem and i don't know why you believe its a problem in your DNA but i won't say too much because i respect your choice..so do what you do.
Joined: Apr 19, 2007 Posts: 678 Location: Currently in the Land of Anime and Manga
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject:
TL- YOU'RE RIGHT!!! I couldn't stay away when so many people are posting. GOSH DARN YOU ALL!!! GOSH DARN YOU ALL TO H-E-DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS!!!
OK. I'm going to try and simplify this (although I don't expect it to work). State your non-religious arguments against homosexuality and I'll address them one by one. I've already covered continuing the human race, molesting children, the happiness of gay individuals (although I'm still waiting for Lone's sister's input), the religious sanctity of marriage, gay people in heterosexual relationships, and a few other topics. I will not bow to this war of attrition!
Also, Mellow, help me out here. I want to see actual research, not just personal opinion.
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:27 pm Post subject:
Mellowthrasher wrote:
Ult> I can't agree with you..i just can't. You use to be gay and i believe either you just wanted to try it out or you let society change you..why deny your emotions?
Ult if you like girls do it , its not a problem and i don't know why you believe its a problem in your DNA but i won't say too much because i respect your choice..so do what you do.
Problem? -_____- like I said, I don't state it as a problem. Its just that I opened my closed eyes. I saw the light. The true enjoyment I've been ignorant about. I never denied my emotions. I'm searching for true happiness. And my society didn't change me, they healed me.
I pray they are given all the happiness.
Unlike you, who keep programming and encouraging me to stay in that dirt, doing things which only harms me. I don't know, but because you enjoyed your life with the other sex and became a father. Please, do let me enjoy it too. What I need isn't my lust, I need a life!
I hope you understand what a mere gay person wants. If so then thank you. If not, then I'm sorry. Maybe if you try it, you'd understand well. _________________ "Blogger"
Joined: Dec 12, 2008 Posts: 1004 Location: between reality and lies
Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:29 pm Post subject:
mstice wrote:
OK. I'm going to try and simplify this (although I don't expect it to work). State your non-religious arguments against homosexuality and I'll address them one by one. I've already covered continuing the human race, molesting children, the happiness of gay individuals (although I'm still waiting for Lone's sister's input), the religious sanctity of marriage, gay people in heterosexual relationships, and a few other topics. I will not bow to this war of attrition!
Also, Mellow, help me out here. I want to see actual research, not just personal opinion.
Here's some research:
Practical Application
"In conjunction with other empirical results, this work led the American Psychiatric Association to remove homosexuality from the DSM in 1973 (it had been listed as a sociopathic personality disorder). In 1975, the American Psychological Association publicly supported this move, stating that "homosexuality per se implies no impairment in judgment, reliability or general social and vocational capabilities…(and mental health professionals should) take the lead in removing the stigma of mental illness long associated with homosexual orientation." Although prejudice and stigma still exist in society, this research has helped millions of gay men and women gain acceptance in the mental health community."
WHAT DOES IT MATTER WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY COMES FROM?
Proving people are born gay would give them wider social acceptance and better protection against discrimination, many gay rights advocates argue. In the last decade, as this "biological" argument has gained momentum, polls find Americans - especially young adults - increasingly tolerant of gays and lesbians. And that's exactly what has groups opposed to homosexuality so concerned. The Family Research Council, a conservative Christian think tank in Washington, D.C., argues in its book Getting It Straight that finding people are born gay "would advance the idea that sexual orientation is an innate characteristic, like race; that homosexuals, like African-Americans, should be legally protected against 'discrimination;' and that disapproval of homosexuality should be as socially stigmatized as racism. However, it is not true."
Some advocates of gay marriage argue that proving sexual orientation is inborn would make it easier to frame the debate as simply a matter of civil rights. That could be true, but then again, freedom of religion enjoyed federal protection long before inborn traits like race and sex.
..my point is..people will think what they want and just because its not popular they will find ways to find it wrong.
There's always a two-sided story to everything..so here are the facts..go ahead prove it wrong.
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I never denied my emotions. I'm searching for true happiness. And my society didn't change me, they healed me.
I pray they are given all the happiness.
Joy comes from within Ult, if you believe your feelings were lust than your choice is yours but you could of just adopted a child and make your life work for you.
My point is: if being straight helps you than go for it but i believe being who you are is more fulfilling than trying to change yourself for something your not.
But i'm not you and i won't push my point and make you upset..that's not what i'm trying to do and i don't want to fight with you because your just too good of a person.
And being gay isn't the basic logic of lust...there are many reasons Ult.
To be sure, I had a lesbian(world's worst lesbian, IMO. In the time I talked with her, she slept with 2 guys and 0 girls.) tell me I was the nicest person she knew.(Though I'm pretty sure that says more about the people she knew than it does about me.)
I was, most likely, also the most hard-line conservative person she knew, and I quit talking to her because we ended up butting heads on pretty much every opinion we had, but it was my decision.
I never tried to "change" her preference, though I did tell her my opinion of the guys she was sleeping with.(Couple of pigs. One was actually jealous of me. Can you imagine being jealous of someone who has never come within two thousand miles of the girl you're sleeping with?) _________________ The pen is mightier than the sword
But the sword is so much harder to silence than the pen.
Joined: Dec 12, 2008 Posts: 1004 Location: between reality and lies
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:55 am Post subject:
LoneWolf325 wrote:
To be sure, I had a lesbian(world's worst lesbian, IMO. In the time I talked with her, she slept with 2 guys and 0 girls.) tell me I was the nicest person she knew.(Though I'm pretty sure that says more about the people she knew than it does about me.)
I was, most likely, also the most hard-line conservative person she knew, and I quit talking to her because we ended up butting heads on pretty much every opinion we had, but it was my decision.
I never tried to "change" her preference, though I did tell her my opinion of the guys she was sleeping with.(Couple of pigs. One was actually jealous of me. Can you imagine being jealous of someone who has never come within two thousand miles of the girl you're sleeping with?)
dang what a strange girl, i probably would of done the same thing in an area like that.
And uhm if she just slept with guys how did she know she was gay?
I would say she was confused and just like the image of ladies..
She'd actually had two girlfriends before I met her, but as she said just before I quit talking to her, "It's less embarrassing to have sex in a public place than to try to get a girlfriend." She was actually bisexual, but claimed to prefer girls.("If it's a guy, I can just lay back, but if it's with a girl, then I get to do things, too.")
I consider her proof that some humans can be born without a spine, but I suspect her sexuality comes from the fact that she was raped by her mom's boyfriend. _________________ The pen is mightier than the sword
But the sword is so much harder to silence than the pen.
You didn't covered much. Most of what your said was your opinion.
Anyway you have to read the whole old posts cause we did post enough researches, books, ..etc
In other words lets not waste time discussing things again. All the replys you may want to see for the research Mellow brought are there. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
Joined: Dec 12, 2008 Posts: 1004 Location: between reality and lies
Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject:
LoneWolf325 wrote:
She'd actually had two girlfriends before I met her, but as she said just before I quit talking to her, "It's less embarrassing to have sex in a public place than to try to get a girlfriend." She was actually bisexual, but claimed to prefer girls.("If it's a guy, I can just lay back, but if it's with a girl, then I get to do things, too.")
I consider her proof that some humans can be born without a spine, but I suspect her sexuality comes from the fact that she was raped by her mom's boyfriend.
Try living in the same town as the Fred Phelps gang...they read one Bible verse, took it out of context, (and time frame by a long shot), and now we have haters.
Kudos for the movie Bruno for making a laughingstock out of them. Though I'm pretty sure they're all robots...like literal robots. _________________ "Why does one death matter against so many? Because there is good and there is evil, and evil must be punished. Even in the face of Armageddon I shall not compromise in this."
-Watchmen
Try living in the same town as the Fred Phelps gang...they read one Bible verse, took it out of context, (and time frame by a long shot), and now we have haters.
Yes. Because one really bad example means that all Bible readers will do that, and justifies arguing against Biblical teachings on every footing. _________________ The pen is mightier than the sword
But the sword is so much harder to silence than the pen.
I personally can't stand gay people, why should someone be allowed to be happy all the time? There's a lot of suffering in the world and too many people are content to stick their heads in the sand and ignore it.
oh but I'm totally fine with homosexuals, _________________ I am an invisible man. It is as though I have been surrounded by mirrors of hard, distorting glass. When people approach me they see only my surroundings, themselves, or figments of their imagination - indeed, everything and anything except me.
-Ellison
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