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Joined: Jun 03, 2005 Posts: 2932 Location: In the land of twilight, under the moon
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:01 am Post subject:
man this have been fun enough for me to miss my lunch...
Karei: If I remember right then homosexuality was actually accepted before in ancient rome or something like that. Think it got changed after religous people came (christianity) and deemed it wrong. So it's haven't always been wrong. Also think they were against it so they could opress them and say "you are wrong we're right, now bow down to me and clean my shoes". By saying that they're wrong you can get power and that's what they wanted in order to change them so they'd be the same as them. Which we then come back to the whole, you're diffrent therefor you shouldn't exists and if you do we'll make you feel so bad you wish you didn't exists. And that's something that needs to be changed.
Line: Not exactly as you said, I never said anything about not stoping someone from killing themselves, to make it more simple what I said was = if two people love each other then who am I to say their love is wrong? If they love each other and is not hurting others Id on't see anything wrong with that, even if that goes against things I find "wrong" such as siblings falling in love. And as I said if one of my friends falls in love with their siblings I'll tell the I find it wrong, but that doesn't mean I won't be that persons friend anymore. I'll accept that they feel that way and will as I said express my feelings in the matter but I'll accept that this is who they are if it really is love between them. That and suicide are two completely diffrent things and right now it has not much to do with homosexuality other than the fact I belive we don't have the right to tell someone else that their love is wrong.
Also what's "good" and "right" to you could be "wrong" and "bad" for me same as things I find "good" could be "bad" for you. And if things are like that then there's is no "right" nor any "wrong". Take peanuts for example some are allergic to the point they can die from eating them, meaning they're bad for them whihle others love them and eats them as much as they want so to them they're good. It's the diffrence in perspectives that make the peanut either good or bad.
Anyway have to get back to work so can't keep doing this... I want my lunch back T_T
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:45 am Post subject:
Sayo>>>I'm not here to pick a fight nor insult anyone. I know if I replied to you that would make things bad so I'm going to ignore since AA said I have the right to not replay and please try to compare your country and other countries with KSA before saying anything. KSA gave all the rights women needs, in work or something else. If I want to work I can work. Now don’t tell me showing my legs is a right, taking off my Hijab and showing my face is a right, mixing with men is a right? Because my father died I take money from three sources not to mention that we have money coming from the brothers' work, isn’t this a right? If I'm bored I can go to any entertainment places or attend courses without paying money (summer courses), isn’t this a right? Why do we work if we need anything we want. On top of that we can work if we wanted.
I want to know from where did you hear that KSA doesn’t have human rights? Based on what you said this? news? TV? People? Or of what you heard or saw? Because there is few places for women to work you called the whole SA doesn’t have human rights?
Next time try to ask Saudi themselves to know if they give humans their rights or not.
LuNa wrote:
Who said they're encouraging others???
I say. Since I saw many lesbians and gays and get along with them. It may not be all but some of them do.
LuNa wrote:
you know..that can also apply to heterosexuals
I know but not all. Some specific heterosexuals.
LuNa>>>Have you get what I mean? I meant not all of them born with less hormones and you cant say a normal man gets attract from a man rather than a girl. If so then it doesn’t get in my mind since you said he's normal.
leo wrote:
Well sweetheart, you misunderstood
S-sweetheart? M-me?
No I didn’t misunderstood you. This is what I got from reading all your posts.
You mean they help me to continue staying and living with a person from the same sex? No thanks. I rather they not help me nor hear what they are saying. Why do I have a womb then? Huh I think God created something useless or are you saying that its for whom wants to give birth only? I see if they are born gay then some of men have to get a womb so they can have a normal life like us. They are humans after all. And if a woman born to be lesbian then some women shouldnt have to get a womb to life a normal life like one of us. Bring a child and put him into this situation. From the first place he will see the world upside down. You know sometimes I think I'm living in a strange world than yours.
If I born lesbian then no need for this womb. He (I mean my God) should've not gave me one since He made me born a lesbian.
To all of you. Where did you hear that vaginal sex causes ADIS? In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases. They have children and grandchildren now. Islam prohibited men to have anal sex. All these years and centuries Islam remained and this rule remained with it, now your saying vaginal sex can make AIDS?
Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
I can swear that one day twincest will become as a good thing. Who knows what else will change and become right.
leo wrote:
No. But they aren't always wrong either. You need to look at life with more detail, realize how things and circumstances are different, how doing one thing in a case may be right and how doing the same thing in another may be wrong. Someone might tell you what to do, but in the end, the decision as to whether or not you actually do something is ultimately yours. and either way, you'll learn and make your own experience
What if my final decision was wrong? Wont you correct me? Punish me if I did it and I'm well known that its wrong?
leo wrote:
Have you tried talking to them? I have.
Yes and they are always with me and all the time yet I see they need help.
I will get this information and prove that gay and lesbian get many other diseases.
And we're not fighting nor having fun. Plus I wont be able to post here for a while beause of health problems so gomen ne ^^ _________________ "Blogger"
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Joined: Apr 24, 2005 Posts: 8154 Location: Down Under
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:31 am Post subject:
Du5k --> Aids virus does exist. There's a picture of it in my textbook
Ok I must say this topic has been very interesting, reading everyone's strong views and opinions. My views are very similar to most people here so I won't dwell on what I think... and things are too intellectual for me to butt into ^^.
I just have one query... how does a man get aids from a woman? (Going into details) From man to man, and man to woman, through sexual acts and as semen is exchanged, the other is very likely to get the virus. I know that if a man were to have a stratch or an open wound of any kind on his privates and were to have sexual intercouse with a woman that has the virus, he can get it that way... but what if there was no cut?
This just comes back to having safe sex people ~ condoms all the way ^^ _________________ Get ready to vote for who you think is the Sexiest Anime Character!!
Joined: Jun 03, 2005 Posts: 2932 Location: In the land of twilight, under the moon
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:52 am Post subject:
Some: That's to bad since I like arguing so that's why it's fun, plus it's intressting because some arguments here I haven't heard before so it's a way to broaden my way of thinking?
Since I haven't exactly said anything about the things you mentioned I'll just comment a few things. Well first of all of course there are homosexuals that will try and get people to try it's kinda of a given. Why? Because people are diffrent there are those that will try and those that will not try. I fell in love with someone and she didn't feel the same I'd probably try so that she'd give me a chance. It's pretty much the same thing if you feel for someone, you'd like it if that person give you a chance. Even though I don't like it part of me is flattered that guys flirted with me.
As for AIDS well doesn't Africa have some problems with that now... somehow I doubt all those people just go for anal sex.
I don't really belive in God either but like stated elsewhere doesn't God just want us to be happy? I don't know much about what it says in the Koran etc think somewhere it says love between the same sex is banned. But isn't all religions against violance as well? Yet some people wage war over religion and cause harm to others for not beliving in the same thing. So why is it that most religous groups are against homosexuals and outcasts them so much yet I hear nothing about them outcasting those that use violance. I still think that faith is a good thing and can make people better so I'm not saying religion is wrong. However if I were a beliver I'd rather think God wants us to be happy and that we are free to decide on our own and the golden rule of course treat others as you would like to be treated.
If the reason why we exist is to reproduce because God made us that way then we don't need all of those that can't. And all men that masturbate should be put out of their lives because they're wasting their gift of life by not impregnating someone.
Though I'm somewhat surprised some since you seem to like yaoi so much. Anyway feel better and get well
Du5k --> Aids virus does exist. There's a picture of it in my textbook
Yeah, I had one in my textbook too, we learn about it in secondary two. It's just that I saw that news in one of the FFA thread and I thought it might be... controversial. I dunno, but that video shows people "getting" AIDS and not dying. Well w/e, I'm not a swinger...
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I just have one query... how does a man get aids from a woman? (Going into details) From man to man, and man to woman, through sexual acts and as semen is exchanged, the other is very likely to get the virus. I know that if a man were to have a stratch or an open wound of any kind on his privates and were to have sexual intercouse with a woman that has the virus, he can get it that way... but what if there was no cut?
Maybe this irritated HIV businessman pushed his way past the busy streets of sperm... They says just one HIV cell is needed to infect the body. That sounds very impossible lol.
You guys seems to have a fun debate going... I'm missing out. But damn I hate to read long paragraphs...
My point is, nowadays, an action committed by a group of people, as long it doesnt hurt anyone, it's a right to do so. So ya... more or less agree with bowser. I'm not against homo, I knew a gay friend and several lesbians.
If the whole human population turns homo... Oh well, we die out, but what can we do. It's still something "we" will want to do. Of course artificial insemination is still available, casual sex makes babies...
Just saying... if they irks you, dun look at them... As long they dun hurt you, it's their right. If they get physical... I'll gnaw their brains out.
edit> Eisen> erm... do you know 93% of men masturbates.
Joined: Mar 26, 2005 Posts: 8282 Location: stuck in tard tard land
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject:
I wiiiiiish I had more time to type here, but I dont, so simple question for all you 'Grand designe by a omnipotent force' believers out there. If homosexuality wasn't meant to be, and if the human body is designed just for heterosexual purpouses, then why does the anus, in both femalse and males have erogenous zones?
Not to mention, why do some naimals, who do not have an immortal soul and therefor cannot sin, get into homesexual couples (for lack of a better word) and even have sex?
silly sayoku. watch what you write before posting. Ultima talked about her country on this matter or similar to it for three or more times. Does she have to repeat the same thing again in each thread ust because you didnt see it?
ulty wrote:
In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases. They have children and grandchildren now. Islam prohibited men to have anal sex. All these years and centuries Islam remained and this rule remained with it, now your saying vaginal sex can make AIDS?
Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
You make me feel relief since I was shocked when everyone said even vaginal sex causes aids. I never ever heard of this one.
Anyway I'll add to your post that I know some Muslims have aids but they admitted that they were playing with many girls who I'm sure one of them was playing with men. I think this prove that vaginal sex doesn’t cause any diseases like aids and, therefore, when I said homosexual causes aids otherwise prove it doesn’t.
Luna wrote:
Incest causes deformality in their offspring and beastiality KILLS or harms the animal..so how can this be compared to a boyxboy/girlxgirl relationships??
If someone said that he's in love with any animal and before taking any other step for this relation , all people will say this isn’t love, he is insane, abnormal,…etc and if he didn’t listen then they convince him that by saying this relation will end up with diseases, harming animal, blah blah blah
In siblings love, if someone loved his sister then people will say this isn’t love, he lost his mind, he turned this family love into that sexual love, this sin, forbidden love,...etc and that before this relation go far and have sex or what so ever, and people are going to convince him that this relationship will end up with diseases and so on. The same goes with the sisterxsister and brotherxbrother.
The beginning is wrong and it will remain wrong till the end. The results shows whether its good or bad.
Siblings love, animal human love, and homosexuality ended up with diseases and that’s why I compared them.
People says that love fall for anyone, does this mean that this love is right? one will say I loved (sexual love)my sister after i haven’t seen her for a long time. He is for sure wrong (my opinion) because not all who we fall for is right. Even after falling for the wrong person we still can change it. How? There are many ways and nothing called impossible in this situations otherwise no body would love again if he/she was rejected once.
AA wrote:
It is true in some cases that a child is born homosexual because he/she is born with less hormones than what a usual child has.
Do you want to say that child is destined to be gay or lesbian?
Leoxjm wrote:
If you say that it is impossible, why bring it up in the first place?
To prove that some people think there are things right if it was done by few people and wrong when it is done by majority. Jumping cliffs, playing with matches ..etc aren’t included because it could be change by laws. The word "things" referred to lie, killing, suicide, ..etc.
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being homosexual or heterosexual has NOTHING to do with it. if you don't believe me, read this.
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To me anal sex is wrong from the start.
Why?
Because our purpose in this life is not for joy. Now I have question for you both [AA/leo] in return why having anal sex? Is vaginal sex not enough? I know it’s a shameless question still I wanna know.
I have many friends, my teachers, and most of people around me telling me that homosexuality causes aids and told me of some people who happened real for them but I couldn’t have the chance to visit them in hospitals when that matter start. Now if you would I believe this wikipedia then I should accept that those people I know are lying which I don’t see it that way. Though this wikipedia might be true but not completed.
Eisenmeteor>as I expected that wont get my point and ,assuming that you think, neither I did understand yours. So just forget what I said.
If aids really doesn’t exist them all my posts are somehow pointless.
I am searching for proves ….. I will bring resources if I just can get contact with those people first. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
edit> Eisen> erm... do you know 93% of men masturbates.
Why yes I do know that which why I used it as a argument ^^ wouldn't be of any use if the majority of the male population didn't do it
oh... I figured out what you meant. nvm then, I was thinking something else.
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I wiiiiiish I had more time to type here, but I dont, so simple question for all you 'Grand designe by a omnipotent force' believers out there. If homosexuality wasn't meant to be, and if the human body is designed just for heterosexual purpouses, then why does the anus, in both femalse and males have erogenous zones?
I think that's a different kind of feeling... I wun know though... Maybe god wants humans to enjoy the waste disposing process so we will pass waste effectively.
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Siblings love, animal human love, and homosexuality ended up with diseases and that’s why I compared them.
Erm... beastlity doesnt cause diseases... nor does homosexuality... it's just that gays are more "masculine" than lesbians, making them more wild in casual sex, so they'll contract STDs easier...
You mean they're criticized the same way, thats why you compare them?
I wiiiiiish I had more time to type here, but I dont, so simple question for all you 'Grand designe by a omnipotent force' believers out there. If homosexuality wasn't meant to be, and if the human body is designed just for heterosexual purpouses, then why does the anus, in both femalse and males have erogenous zones?
if i said i dont know then does this mean it if for homosexual?i dont think so. it would be better if we have three genders instead of two so it would be obvious that any kinds of couples are aceptable and no argument are going to happen.
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Not to mention, why do some naimals, who do not have an immortal soul and therefor cannot sin, get into homesexual couples (for lack of a better word) and even have sex?
animal dont have minds. If we're going to do as they did then animals too have sex with the same animal who born with him while human arent allowed to have sex with his siblings. Animals have sex with more than one, like the cat who have sex with more than one cat while human arent allowed to have sex with more than one otherwise he is playing, unfaithful, trying to satisfy his desires..etc. Animals have different freedom because they can live without laws while human cant or eles chause will happen. We dont imitate what animal do simply because we have mind while they dont.
Du5k wrote:
Erm... beastlity doesnt cause diseases... nor does homosexuality... it's just that gays are more "masculine" than lesbians, making them more wild in casual sex, so they'll contract STDs easier...
You mean they're criticized the same way, thats why you compare them?
i dont have proofs for the diseases so i cant say anything about it. and no i didnt compare them b/c they're criticized the same way. what i want to say is that human x animal = dont match each other
siblings = dont match other
boyxboy or girlxgirl = dont match each other.
women didnt extinct nor men to take someone from the same gender.if their excuse is love and one can fall for anyone then why blaming siblings love. They're human too (dont see they're results they will end up but look at their feeling) i think im repeating things =___= i begin to get confuse. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
Object. But I don't want to go too deep into it here. Maybe another thread.
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You make me feel relief since I was shocked when everyone said even vaginal sex causes aids. I never ever heard of this one.
Anyway I'll add to your post that I know some Muslims have aids but they admitted that they were playing with many girls who I'm sure one of them was playing with men. I think this prove that vaginal sex doesn’t cause any diseases like aids and, therefore, when I said homosexual causes aids otherwise prove it doesn’t.
Vaginal sex is still a sexual contact or sexual activity. Aids can get pass through sexual contact between two or more people. Aids is not restricted to only anal. Vaginal sex, oral sex and any other sexual activity will get you aids as long as you have unprotected sex.
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Do you want to say that child is destined to be gay or lesbian?
Nope, no one is destined for anything. However there are factors that will cause someone to be something. And this is just a factor for some people.
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Because our purpose in this life is not for joy. Now I have question for you both [AA/leo] in return why having anal sex? Is vaginal sex not enough? I know it’s a shameless question still I wanna know.
If life does not have joy then we are in misery.
Why do people make new and learn new recipe for food? Because they desire to fulfill their needs for new food. To satisfy their hunger or their taste or their excitement or whatever reason they have.
Anal sex and any other kind of sex is the result of people desire for more sexual pleasure. The same desire as everything else that has driven mankind to do what mankind has done.
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n Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases. They have children and grandchildren now. Islam prohibited men to have anal sex. All these years and centuries Islam remained and this rule remained with it, now your saying vaginal sex can make AIDS?
Who is this man? Does he define humanity? Does he define every individual out there?
And I'm sure those women were virgins. I doubt a Muslim women would commit adultery unless she knew the danger that she would be prosecuted by the government in the country shes living in (lets assume she is in a Muslim country) or by her own family.
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Animals have different freedom because they can live without laws
Every animal have their own law. This is different for each and everyone. Lions follow the main male, I forgot which type of primates but there was one kind that actually has a social class system where there were the apes that were considered noble and one considered lower, theres the bees, etc.
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I'm not here to pick a fight nor insult anyone. I know if I replied to you that would make things bad so I'm going to ignore since AA said I have the right to not replay and please try to compare your country and other countries with KSA before saying anything. KSA gave all the rights women needs, in work or something else. If I want to work I can work. Now don’t tell me showing my legs is a right, taking off my Hijab and showing my face is a right, mixing with men is a right? Because my father died I take money from three sources not to mention that we have money coming from the brothers' work, isn’t this a right? If I'm bored I can go to any entertainment places or attend courses without paying money (summer courses), isn’t this a right? Why do we work if we need anything we want. On top of that we can work if we wanted.
I want to know from where did you hear that KSA doesn’t have human rights? Based on what you said this? news? TV? People? Or of what you heard or saw? Because there is few places for women to work you called the whole SA doesn’t have human rights?
Next time try to ask Saudi themselves to know if they give humans their rights or not.
Human rights isn't just one rights. I won't say much about women's rights in the workforce in Saudi Arabia. But I will say Saudi Arabia isn't all too good with human rights in general. Your country has been known for oppression of political and religious minorities, censorship over the internet (I give praise to Saudi Arabia for admitting it, unlike China and N.Korea), torture of prisoners, etc. Women don't have the same equal stance as men in court. _________________
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:23 pm Post subject:
Today was a rush day
Well, back to topic. If the homosexuality would be just about a love to same gendre, I wouldn't call it bad. You can feel sympathies to your friends regarless their gendre and to some friends it could be stronger and to some weaker. To some it could be so strong that it would be called love.
But when the relation is including sex between same sex people, then it is becomming bad. It's wrong. Why? If I'll pass the fact of reproduction I mentioned before, then here is still the fact that human body isn't constructed for having sex with same gendre. Two lesbians can have sex only when using special tools. Two gays can have sex only when they use anal orifice and this isn't organ constructed for such act. The nature itself is saying by our body construction that it is wrong and we aren't supposed to do that.
Sex between homosexuals is same as zoophilia, necrophilia or pedophilia. These are paraphilias, a psychical illneses characterized by a disorder of sexual preferences. Homosexuality is like paraphilia, same as they it's a disorder of sexual preferences. In past was homosexuality cured in same way and with same successes as paraphilias. This fact is offering a conclusion that homosexuality is just a psychical illnes that can be cured and that homosexuality is just another paraphilia.
What is the difference between paraphilia and homosexuality? You would answer that the difference is the love. Now for a while forget on that love and answer again. What is the difference now? You have now just sexual act with opposite gendre. Why are sexual acts with animals, dead people or with children bad and with opposite gendre it isn't bad? From these is sex between two same gendres closest to sex with animals, because in both cases bodies of both actors aren't constructed for this. But why are most of people here taking one of these sex as bad and one as good? Both are same.
Here I'll refresh one point I said in post I deleted (but as I see most of people read it before I did it ). If the homosexuality would be just about a love, I wouldn't mind. I mind that the homosexuality is about the perverse sex.
The thing that makes homosexuality a bit different from paraphilias is that homosexuals feel love. How we know that what they feel is really love and not only a want of the perverse sex? This was just a philosophical question.
There are two different loves in a relation of two people and both can exist together. One love is a clear, pure feeling to be with somebody and care about him, do whatever the other person wants and be able sacrifice yourself for the other person. Second love is an instict to find a partner for reproduction and is responsible that we want sex with the other person. Although both are loves, only the first one is clear and pure enought to be used as an excuse for human actions. When we say, he/she did something because of love, we have in our minds the first type of love and when we hear such excuse, we are taking it as well and mostly we're excusing the actions or we're taking in account this excuse as an extenuating circumstance. Sadly is this love mistakenly used as an excuse for the sex between homosexuals. They love each other, so why they shouldn't have a sex? But the first love have nothing to do with sex. If somebody want a sex, it's because of the second love which is nothing more just an instinct. Although in relations both loves often exist together and almost go hand by hand, these two loves doesn't need each other and they can exist separately. First love you feel to friends, parents, people that are close to you, second you can feel for example to some handsome person you see in TV, to a pop star, etc.
People can to some point control their feelings. Nobody want from anybody to control the first type of love, but often we are supposed to control the second one. We are controling it, otherwise we would rape every person we would find as attractive.
My point of this section is that everybody can control the second love which is responsible that you want sex. From pedo or necro we want to control this second love he feels (remember that it's just a sexual instinct) and homosexuals should do it as well. What they do (I mean sex between them) is nothing good. Same as isn't good sex with animals, dead people or children. The first love won't disappear if they wouldn't have a sex. They'll still love each other.
Leoxjm >>> Why heterosexuals are closing marriages? They are doing it for the same reason why they are doing it from the very beginning: raise a family and give a birth to children.
You mentioned rapes. That when somebody rapes some woman that he wanted just reproduce. He didn't want reproduce, he only wanted to satisfy his sexual needs. He wanted only enjoyment. _________________
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Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject:
trueline wrote:
silly sayoku. watch what you write before posting. Ultima talked about her country on this matter or similar to it for three or more times. Does she have to repeat the same thing again in each thread ust because you didnt see it?
ulty wrote:
In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases. They have children and grandchildren now. Islam prohibited men to have anal sex. All these years and centuries Islam remained and this rule remained with it, now your saying vaginal sex can make AIDS?
Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
what was that? showing me a quote that address to the fact muslim men are allowed to marry several women is not what i would say favourable on your account, when im talking about basic human rights and equality.
listen, this is very, very important. HIV are transmitted through BODY FLUID (other than siliva, the last time i checked, sharing a cup with a HIV patient is not a risky issue.), its not a homosexual virus, heterosexual sex, or even mothers through blood transfusion to the fetus and yes most shocking of all, breast feeding. stop labelling AIDS on homosexuals, theres a chance you can get HIV with a prick of unclean needles.
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You make me feel relief since I was shocked when everyone said even vaginal sex causes aids. I never ever heard of this one.
i dont know whether to laugh or not. no matter what sort of ethics you have, you must believe in facts.
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I'm not here to pick a fight nor insult anyone. I know if I replied to you that would make things bad so I'm going to ignore since AA said I have the right to not replay and please try to compare your country and other countries with KSA before saying anything. KSA gave all the rights women needs, in work or something else. If I want to work I can work. Now don’t tell me showing my legs is a right, taking off my Hijab and showing my face is a right, mixing with men is a right? Because my father died I take money from three sources not to mention that we have money coming from the brothers' work, isn’t this a right? If I'm bored I can go to any entertainment places or attend courses without paying money (summer courses), isn’t this a right? Why do we work if we need anything we want. On top of that we can work if we wanted.
I want to know from where did you hear that KSA doesn’t have human rights? Based on what you said this? news? TV? People? Or of what you heard or saw? Because there is few places for women to work you called the whole SA doesn’t have human rights?
Next time try to ask Saudi themselves to know if they give humans their rights or not.
you haaave no idea how much saudi arabia makes me cringe. no, i dont acknowledge the minimal rights your country can offer, its bullshit. religious, racial, political, gender, sexual orientation based tortures, imprisonments, captital punishments. total bullshit. if you have not realised how much trouble, for the sake of your countrys humanity, for its people are in, i cant feel less sorry for you than i already am.
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In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases.
maybe all the women who had affairs were all whipped to death. its morning, im in less of a sacarstic mood, im speaking out of facts. i will try find that article where i saw the other day, it came with pictures. pretty grusome stuff. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Joined: Jun 03, 2005 Posts: 2932 Location: In the land of twilight, under the moon
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:35 pm Post subject:
To freakin tired to do this properly so will most likely be half right or done.
Line: If you say so, I think I understand your point which is that if one of your friend strays from what you belive is right you'd do everything you can to set them right. So if you think their love is wrong for example sibling love you will try and stop it no matter what. However I don't see what that has to do with suicide because I never said I wouldn't stop a friend that I know wants to commit suicide. I've talked to friends that's thought about suicide and considered it and tried to convince them to live which they now did. However suicide and love are two completely diffrent things. I try to do that which I belive in just as you do when you would try and seperate them. I just happen to belive in something diffrent than you, that as long as they're not hurting someone and if it's mutual then I'll express how I feel however I'll still accept what they decided, while you would stop them. If they go way out of the line in my mind I'd stop them simple as that, homosexuality is not to far out of line.
However we're not talking about siblilng love here even though there's been some refrence to that. Most of my point simple goes back to one thing, I find most acts against homosexuality the same as racism, because judging someone without knowing them is in my eyes a bad thing to do. By saying homosexuals are bad it opens up a portal that since they're bad and wrong it's ok for me to call them names, hit them or worse. Why is that ok? Because they're bad, unnatural and wrong, while I'm right. People don't care if they get beat up anyway since they're not worth a damn so I'll just do that.
Now I'll ask a simple question that everyone should ask. What's more wrong, being homosexual or beating someone up because they're diffrent? I won't ask what's wrong with being homosexual since I can think up a couple of reasons myself, however ask yourself what's wrong with the people that haress them, beat them up, kill them, fire them from their jobs etc just because they're homosexuals. And what enables them to do so?
I got what I think is a good example, I have a friend that saw a guy beating a girl up so he went between them and stopped the fight. Then the guy said that the girl was actually a guy and he goes "ohhh" and just pretty much just walks away. Suddenly just because it was a guy that dressed up as a girl it was ok to beat him into a pulp.
Why is that? Tell me just what in the world makes that any more acceptable and ok? I'll give one reason because people think it's wrong of them to crossdress or be homosexual, that's what make it ok. Because people are against homosexuals it's ok to beat them to death. I'm asking everyone the simple question do you really think that's ok? Because the your way of thinking contributes and makes some people feel it's more ok to do so, doesn't matter if you like that fact or not I belive this is pretty true. And if you don't belive in that ask yourself if everyone accepted homosexuality would they still get ganged up upon and beaten half to death just for being homosexual? Maybe but the act of doing so wouldn't be as accepted.
THAT is one of the reasons I think of people that are against homosexuals the same as racists. And it doesn't matter on what level of anti homosexual people are it's the same as racisim, just a little in alot of people add up to one hell of a scary place.
KarRei: So if they don't have sex but are in love with each other homosexuality is ok. So they can hold hand while walking outside if they want to just as hetro people can (Yes I know you think it's no diffrent whether you're homo or hetro on this point) They should be allowed to show they love each other right and that they're a couple even if they don't have sex, otherwise someone may hit on them and make the other jealous or upset, who wants that when you're alredy in love with someone else? So with other words you think they have that right since it's ok when they don't have sex. And well what happens behind close doors isn't exactly your concern now is it? Just as it's none of you concern what a hetro sexual couple does behind close doors. And yes I'm bending your words to another meaning then you said.
Well let me ask you the same thing, what's a hetrosexual relationship without love? Sex simple as that. Now let me ask something does being a homosexual means you just have sex all the time, does it mean that a partner of the same sex don't give a damn about you? "Aww poor you, you had a fight with you parents awww now STFUP take off your clothes so we can have sex" is that how you see homosexual partners? I sure as hell don't, who are you to say they don't support each other or try everything in their power to be there for one another mentally as support and sacrifice themselfs for their partners? Hell take a moment to think about how many hetrosexual couples can you say would give up everything for their partner? Some homosexual do that, they give up their family that they love because they're against them being homosexual, the support and comfort because to them it's the first kind of love you mentioned. Who said that being homosexual only involves sex?
Here I'll try and give you some reasons why you shouldn't have sex with the opposite sex.
1. You're not in love you only belive you're in love when in reality it's not and you only want her/him for sex. Therfor the relationship is wrong and you may not have sex.
2. You can't reproduce so there's no point in you having sex so just give it up because you're not worth the experiance of having sex when you can't reproduce.
3. The most important fact, the fact that you have sex with the opposite sex makes me sick and is just wrong. What kind of sicko are you? (Do note I never said it was unnatural)
Are these any legimate reason for you to not have sex? Hell no they're stupid. However ask yourself this now what gives you the right to say any of these to anyone? What gives YOU the right?
Sayo: Hmm not that I don't see your point but try to calm down. So let's not go picking on one country now.
Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 8164 Location: la la land
Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:42 pm Post subject:
im calm im calm.
what i was saying is, if she does not and has not know what human rights really is, its unlikely she would be able to make a valid point.
geez that sounded mean, not that i mind.
oh and the article i was talking about, now i remember it was actually a girl who was raped, and punished for it. i dont know where the logic is, i doubt there were any. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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man this have been fun enough for me to miss my lunch...
