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NOT INCEST
NOT BEASTIALITY
NOT SOME SORT OF KINKY FETISHISM
SO STOP DOING COMPARE AND CONTRASTS.
Acquired immune deficiency syndrome or acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS or Aids) is a collection of symptoms and infections resulting from the specific damage to the immune system caused by the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in humans[1], and similar viruses in other species (SIV, FIV, etc.). The late stage of the condition leaves individuals prone to opportunistic infections and tumors. Although treatments for AIDS and HIV exist to slow the virus' progression, there is no known cure. HIV, et al., are transmitted through direct contact of a mucous membrane or the bloodstream with a bodily fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, preseminal fluid, and breast milk.[2][3] This transmission can come in the form of anal, vaginal or oral sex, blood transfusion, contaminated hypodermic needles, exchange between mother and baby during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding, or other exposure to one of the above bodily fluids.
if you people don't understand the language, let me quote key points for you:
- HIV, et al., are transmitted through direct contact of a mucous membrane or the bloodstream with a bodily fluid containing HIV, such as blood, semen, vaginal fluid, preseminal fluid, and breast milk.
MAYBE I'M STUPID BUT I DONT THINK MEN&MEN HAVE BREAST MILK
I DONT THINK MEN HAVE VAGINAL FLUID EITHER.
I DONT THINK THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE WITHOUT BLOOD OR MUCOUS.
- This transmission can come in the form of anal, vaginal or oral sex, blood transfusion, contaminated hypodermic needles, exchange between mother and baby during pregnancy, childbirth, or breastfeeding, or other exposure to one of the above bodily fluids.
I DONT THINK MEN CAN GIVE BIRTH. OH WAIT, THEY "DIED" WHEN THEY TRIED REMEMBER, POOR ARNOLD.
I DONT THINK MEN CAN BREASTFEED EITHER.
OH MY GOD, YOU CAN GET IT FROM YOUR MOM!? HOLY COW. BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST HOMOSEXUALS!
AND GOD FORBID! EVEN VAGINAL SEX!? NO WAY!
However, after determining that AIDS was not isolated to the homosexual community, the term GRID became redundant and AIDS was introduced at a meeting in July 1982.
The majority of HIV infections are acquired through unprotected sexual relations between partners, one of whom has HIV. Heterosexual intercourse is the primary mode of HIV infection worldwide. Sexual transmission occurs with the contact between sexual secretions of one partner with the rectal, genital or oral mucous membranes of another.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS!?
the hetrosexual bit was cited from:
Johnson AM and Laga M, Heterosexual transmission of HIV, AIDS, 1988, 2(suppl. 1):S49-S56; N'Galy B and Ryder RW, Epidemiology of HIV infection in Africa, Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, 1988, 1(6):551-558; and Deschamps M et al., Heterosexual transmission of HIV in Haiti, Annals of Internal Medicine, 1996, 125(4):324-330.
go look for it if you want. _________________ "The basis of optimism is sheer terror."
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Now don’t tell me showing my legs is a right, taking off my Hijab and showing my face is a right, mixing with men is a right?
They are rights. You might be happy living without them, and that is fine. But simply showing your face to a person isn't a wrongful act, just as covering it isn't a wrongful act either. I don't understand why an act that is not wrongful should be disallowed, but I'll leave it at that because that isn't what we're talking about.
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I say. Since I saw many lesbians and gays and get along with them. It may not be all but some of them do.
Gays and lesbians are not encouraging others and telling people "be like me" Those who are, if any, are being just as intolerant about the way others live their life as those who discriminate against them.
Now, there is a difference between that and encouraging others to accept themselves. many people live personally conflicted because they have been taught that homosexuality is wrong, and they live in self-loathing because, for some reason they cannot control, they are attracted to the same sex. Those conflicts destroy lives. What is wrong with telling someone "accept yourself"? As I said before, they are not harming anyone. Why should a heterosexuals accept themselves but not homosexuals?
You see, by telling someone I'd ok to be who you are" that person can actually discover who he is, homosexual, heterosexual, all of that. I t is a personal matter. "I am not gay". Nobody has told me that. I know. Just like a homosexual knows. Just like someone who is or isn't homosexual will eventually find out. But it is a personal matter. I don't think you or I should interfere, but I do believe that we should let that person find out without our meddling or encouragement for one direction or another.
By the way, I don't think it is wrong to tell people I think that what you are doing is wrong". But you should realize that YOU might be the one who is wrong. If someone were to come to you and say "I think I'm gay" you should be ready to accept the fact that that person may, in fact, be gay; no matter what you say or do about it. If someone say to me "I think I'm gay" I think "ok, you might be gay; you'll eventually find out if in fact you are or aren't. But either way it is not my problem." After all, if I discover that a friend of mine would rather marry someone of the same gender doesn't mean that that person is different than it was before. It is, to me, like discovering that they prefer lemonade over orange juice. It might not be my taste, but it has nothing to do with me. If someone told me, on the other hand "I want to rob a bank" or "I want to kill someone; but not you" I would try to see why and try to change this person's mindset. but do you see why? because one affects others; and the other doesn't. and whatever makes a person happy without making others unhappy or causing harm to anyone is, to me, a GOOD thing.
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No I didn’t misunderstood you. This is what I got from reading all your posts.
Then you did misunderstand. Because that is not what I said. I already replied to that in my previous post.
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If I born lesbian then no need for this womb. He (I mean my God) should've not gave me one since He made me born a lesbian.
AH, so you're saying that a woman's purpose in life is to have children because they have wombs, right? and basically that it goes against god to not make use of your womb. So, what about women who choose not to marry? they're not using their womb. What about nuns or priestesses? They aren't (or shouldn't) make use of their wombs either. Hey, since a woman's purpose in life is to have children, why not make some "baby factories" to impregnate women and have them giving birth 24/7? They would be fulfilling their purpose, wouldn't they? Why shouldn't that be acceptable?
Because that is NOT a woman's purpose in life. Hell, I don't know if people even HAVE a purpose in life, but I think it is stupid to think that it is to merely reproduce. or are you trying to tell me that a rape victim who ends up pregnant should be happy or have a sense of fulfillment?
What women do with their wombs is THEIR problem. God has nothing to do with it. God also made women fertile at age 12. should they be made pregnant at that age? God gave us hands that we can use to beat each other with. therefore, should we do it? Or should we use those hands to help each other out instead? Shouldn't we be able to decide? I believe in doing good, I believe in helping each other be happy without making others suffer unnecessarily. It is true that sadness and pain will not disappear from the world, but I think people can do things to minimize them. And If God thinks that doing so is bad or evil, I don't need such a God in the first place.
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Where did you hear that vaginal sex causes ADIS?
In SCIENCE. that is why women get AIDS. That is WHy AIDS can be transmitted between heterosexual people.
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In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS.
If all are healthy of course non will get AIDS. If one catches it because, say, a bad blood transfusion or something, there is a chance that all of them will eventually catch it, though. Religion has nothing to do with it. If they have been righteous people they will all go to heaven anyway, so it doesn't matter how they die, right?
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Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
because if a man is unfaithful and has se with someone with AIDS he'll get AIDS. If he is unfaithful with someone who doesn't have AIDS he wont catch them. It is as simple as that. I don't have to tell you how the spread of STDs works, do I?
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I can swear that one day twincest will become as a good thing.
And I swear that it won't Your "proof" is just as strong as mine and we're just butting heads for no reason here. Let's leave it at that.
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Yes and they are always with me and all the time yet I see they need help.
Why do they need help? What kind of help?
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I will get this information and prove that gay and lesbian get many other diseases.
I'm waiting.
Kimmie wrote:
how does a man get aids from a woman?
This post will be very lengthy even without my typing an explanation. just read this. By the way, du5k, Ultimasome, trueline, you should read it too.
du5k wrote:
I dunno, but that video shows people "getting" AIDS and not dying.
AIDS is NOT a heart attack or a stroke. Actually I don't think people actually die of AIDS. what AIDS does is, basically, eat away your immune system meaning that if you have AIDS and catch a common cold, it will likely develop into pneumonia or some other serious disease and THAT will kill you. people with AIDS, if they are careful, can live for a long time. Sometimes they don't even know they have AIDS until years after catching it.
bows wrote:
then why does the anus, in both femalse and males have erogenous zones?
Oh? I would like to know as well.
trueline wrote:
I never ever heard of this one.
You've been living under a rock.
"Heterosexual intercourse is the primary mode of HIV infection worldwide."
Quoted from wikipedia. Cited references are: Johnson AM and Laga M, Heterosexual transmission of HIV, AIDS, 1988, 2(suppl. 1):S49-S56; N'Galy B and Ryder RW, Epidemiology of HIV infection in Africa, Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, 1988, 1(6):551-558; and Deschamps M et al., Heterosexual transmission of HIV in Haiti, Annals of Internal Medicine, 1996, 125(4):324-330.
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I think this prove that vaginal sex doesn’t cause any diseases like aids
It doesn't. it only proves that these men were fooling around with women who have AIDS. that's all it proves.
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Because our purpose in this life is not for joy.
Ah, good to know. What is it, then? but if that is so, why are we able to feel joy?
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Now I have question for you both [AA/leo] in return why having anal sex?
Simple: some people like it.
Yup, as simple as that. Some people like to read books, some people like to eat ice cream, some people like to have anal sex in their intimacy. Why do I care? I don't. It is not like killing a person, it is not like stealing, it is not like doing drugs or abusing substances. it is not like beating other people. It is just like liking vaginal sex. it is exactly the same, except on a different orifice.
Let me predict your response:
"but they cannot reproduce like that"
See? Well, yes. they can't. But then again, sex is not just about reproduction, or biology. As I said before, sex is not just that. Or do you disagree? If a husband enjoys having anal sex with his wife and neither of them has sex with someone else, are those people wrong? Tell me. What is the purpose of sex?
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hen I should accept that those people I know are lying which I don’t see it that way.
I didn't say they were lying. But I think that they are misinformed. Or are you telling me that if any or all of them said to you "the sky is pink" then you'd honestly believe that it is so? Don't you think that finding out the truth for yourself would be a good thing anyway? I am telling you the truths I have encountered. Wikipedia is part of my evidence, there is more. There have been classes, talks, books I have read... Did you know that my earliest recollection of having read about AIDS was in 1993? For fourteen years I've been looking into the issue myself. read about it in magazines, in books, talked to teachers and my parents. I won't say I am the authority in the matter; I'm no scientist and when people tell me "the HIV virus affects the receptor ...." or something like that I am still left scratching my head sometimes. But even so, I am confident that I know more about it than you do.
And if we are on a race for evidence... You're on!
if i said i dont know then does this mean it if for homosexual?i dont think so. it would be better if we have three genders instead of two so it would be obvious that any kinds of couples are aceptable and no argument are going to happen.
What?
KaRei wrote:
Two lesbians can have sex only when using special tools.
In deference to our more prudish friends I'll skimp on detail so I'll just reply with: mouths and fingers. Tools?
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Two gays can have sex only when they use anal orifice and this isn't organ constructed for such act.
Correct. But it is physically possible for a person to find it pleasurable even if many don't find the same sensation appealing. After all, there ARE pleasure receptors and erogenous zones in the area.
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This fact is offering a conclusion that homosexuality is just a psychical illnes that can be cured and that homosexuality is just another paraphilia.
I mind that the homosexuality is about the perverse sex.
That so? Ok... then. So, what is it about sex that makes it "perverse", then? what is the difference between "perverse" and "non perverse" sex?
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One love is a clear, pure feeling to be with somebody and care about him, do whatever the other person wants and be able sacrifice yourself for the other person. Second love is an instict to find a partner for reproduction and is responsible that we want sex with the other person.
Ah, there we go again. You see, your second "love" basically means "love~sex=reproduction". And, I I said before, it is more complicated than that. According to your logic using condoms or other forms of contraception is not love either, because it violates the reproductive instinct. same as in other cases I mentioned above. I'm going to assume that you refer to perverse sex as all that which is not for the purpose of reproduction, then. So basically, a man having sex with his wife using a condom is perverse. A man with a vasectomy having sex with his wife is only out for perverse sex. I disagree.
Why do I consider necrophilia "perverse" sex? because a corpse cannot consent, is not part of an union between two people, because it isn't the physical consummation of your "first" love or of an even deeper bond (because your first love sounds an awful lot like the simple love of a parent, for example; which in my opinion is completely different than that of a man and a woman.
Why do I consider bestiality perverse sex? same reason as necrophilia. Pedophilia is even worse, because it negatively affects a being who has not yet reached emotional maturity to understand what is going on, it might ruin that person's life.
To put it simply. I REJECT your double definition of love. Not because it is wrong; it isn't. I reject it because it is incomplete. Or do you think that a man only loves his wife because of the pure purpose of reproduction? I believe that a bond deeper than that of either, even both of your "loves" refer to exists.
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You mentioned rapes. That when somebody rapes some woman that he wanted just reproduce. He didn't want reproduce, he only wanted to satisfy his sexual needs. He wanted only enjoyment.
Ok, but I was laying a hypothetical case for you. What if a man merely wants to reproduce; "spread his seed" throughout the world? He isn;t after sex, after offspring. he has sex outside his marriage, he rapes other women, all because he wants his genes propagated to the next generation. don't you find that objectionable? Because I do.
Spanky: It is because some people are equating homosexuality with incest or bestiality that some of us go into the compare and contrast. i do it because I think they are different. Sure, I'd rather stop as well, because they are NOT the same thing. _________________
Sex between homosexuals is same as zoophilia, necrophilia or pedophilia. These are paraphilias, a psychical illneses characterized by a disorder of sexual preferences. Homosexuality is like paraphilia, same as they it's a disorder of sexual preferences. In past was homosexuality cured in same way and with same successes as paraphilias. This fact is offering a conclusion that homosexuality is just a psychical illnes that can be cured and that homosexuality is just another paraphilia.
If I would agree with you, I won't call it an illness... I would have called it a disorder. Ok, let's just say this "disorder" is really something that isn't natural. But does it actually really matter? It's like the thousands of parasites in our bodies; those that doesnt harm us, we ignore them. Those that harm us, we call them parasites/virus/illness/etc.
So I think as long it doesnt actually affect us, we should just ignore them if they irk you.
Karei wrote:
There are two different loves in a relation of two people and both can exist together. One love is a clear, pure feeling to be with somebody and care about him, do whatever the other person wants and be able sacrifice yourself for the other person. Second love is an instict to find a partner for reproduction and is responsible that we want sex with the other person.
IMO the second "love" is nothing more than sexual attraction... normal or not. The first one is love, but it also somewhat includes sexual attraction... to "want to be one with your partner".
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Because people are against homosexuals it's ok to beat them to death.
If you're attributing to a man should be able to fend for himself, then yes. Otherwise... no.
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oh and the article i was talking about, now i remember it was actually a girl who was raped, and punished for it. i dont know where the logic is, i doubt there were any.
you mean the one where the girl got sentenced to death because she her self-defence against rapist kill him? I dun think it was in KSA?
I do know a country where when a man rapes a woman, law forces the woman to become the wife of the man, and all the man did is to pay a fine.
spankit wrote:
PLEASE PEOPLE. READ TOPIC TITLE.
WE ARE DISCUSSING HOMOSEXUALITY
NOT INCEST
NOT BEASTIALITY
NOT SOME SORT OF KINKY FETISHISM
SO STOP DOING COMPARE AND CONTRASTS.
What are you saying? We are making comparisons to these so as to make credible references and prove points...
leoxjm wrote:
This post will be very lengthy even without my typing an explanation. just read this. By the way, du5k, Ultimasome, trueline, you should read it too.
Why joo include me?
leoxjm wrote:
AIDS is NOT a heart attack or a stroke. Actually I don't think people actually die of AIDS. what AIDS does is, basically, eat away your immune system meaning that if you have AIDS and catch a common cold, it will likely develop into pneumonia or some other serious disease and THAT will kill you. people with AIDS, if they are careful, can live for a long time. Sometimes they don't even know they have AIDS until years after catching it.
I know how it works! I'm just trying to show a controversial point not from me! Forget I said anything!
leoxjm wrote:
In deference to our more prudish friends I'll skimp on detail so I'll just reply with: mouths and fingers. Tools?
He meant penetration. I think. Err... tongue is too short.
leoxjm wrote:
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Two gays can have sex only when they use anal orifice and this isn't organ constructed for such act.
Correct. But it is physically possible for a person to find it pleasurable even if many don't find the same sensation appealing. After all, there ARE pleasure receptors and erogenous zones in the area.
I'll make some references.
You see in India, some people poke theit bodies with sticks during festivals. They run on hot charcoal.
You see guiness world records... A man hung on the skin on his back for a minute with a fish hook. A man drank 72 eggs in a minutes. A man (i forgot the re---- word) pukes out objects from his stomach after swallowing them.
Sometimes people do stuff that their bodies aren't meant to do... Ya humans are pretty weird sometimes. Yet they got shown on TV.
I just wanna ask... do you think anal sex between a man and a women is wrong?
What are you saying? We are making comparisons to these so as to make credible references and prove points...
okay but WHY are you comparing them?
firstly they're all separate issues, secondly this is a homosexuality
thread, and thirdly, just because something else is wrong/right it
somehow affects homosexuality? so does that mean i should say all
sex is wrong, because homosexuals have sex, and because all sex
is wrong, that we should all be burned and condemned to hell because
we are the cause and effect of sex?
its not fair to compared someone who is homosexual to someone
who beats and rapes people to get off an such. you're hurting animals
when you're doing beastiality. a man having consensual sex with
another ISNT hurting either.
i'm not against compare and contrasts, i'm sick of something people
compare in a way that's saying "SEE THIS IS WRONG, SO THAT IS TOO"
du5k wrote:
I just wanna ask... do you think anal sex between a man and a women is wrong?
personally, no.
its just another way to have sex because there are erogenous zones
in the anal area. _________________ "The basis of optimism is sheer terror."
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AIDS is NOT a heart attack or a stroke. Actually I don't think people actually die of AIDS. what AIDS does is, basically, eat away your immune system meaning that if you have AIDS and catch a common cold, it will likely develop into pneumonia or some other serious disease and THAT will kill you. people with AIDS, if they are careful, can live for a long time. Sometimes they don't even know they have AIDS until years after catching it.
I know how it works! I'm just trying to show a controversial point not from me! Forget I said anything!
Again, I apologize. I misread you. I noticed it too late, so I apologize now that I can.
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He meant penetration. I think. Err... tongue is too short.
Still: fingers.
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Sometimes people do stuff that their bodies aren't meant to do... Ya humans are pretty weird sometimes. Yet they got shown on TV.
the sky's the limit! You're right.
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I just wanna ask... do you think anal sex between a man and a women is wrong?
I don't, but I know you weren't asking me. _________________
Vaginal sex is still a sexual contact or sexual activity. Aids can get pass through sexual contact between two or more people. Aids is not restricted to only anal. Vaginal sex, oral sex and any other sexual activity will get you aids as long as you have unprotected sex.
You misunderstand my point. I didn’t say aids didn’t get pass through vaginal sex. I was saying that vaginal sex doesn’t cause aids itself since you said that there are chances of catching aids, but yeah it can pass through if one was already have aids.
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Nope, no one is destined for anything. However there are factors that will cause someone to be something. And this is just a factor for some people.
So ulty was born lesbian then she turned not a lesbian and many other people who were gays then turned? If yes then I wasn’t wrong when I said feeling can be changed.
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Why do people make new and learn new recipe for food? Because they desire to fulfill their needs for new food. To satisfy their hunger or their taste or their excitement or whatever reason they have.
But in the end they don’t eat human flesh as some people do and find it tasty.
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If life does not have joy then we are in misery.
Life is not for enjoyment nor misery. Cant we do everything in balance? even animals can do that (since you object when I said animal have mind) and they even if they were gay, they wont end up staying with them forever. If we're enjoying everything to its full then this is heaven.
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Who is this man? Does he define humanity? Does he define every individual out there?
I don’t think she was talking about one man only but most of men muslims. Muslims have vaginal sex with their wives and they're forbidden to have anal sex and this last for centuries without having aids and don’t expect most of them use protection. My mom, grandmother and grand of my grand mother don’t use any condom or any protection, actually they don’t know what is that exactly. Still they don’t have any aids so I think this proves that vaginal sex doesn’t cause aids otherwise you are really waiting for miracle to happened in order to believe.
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Every animal have their own law. This is different for each and everyone. Lions follow the main male, I forgot which type of primates but there was one kind that actually has a social class system where there were the apes that were considered noble and one considered lower, theres the bees, etc.
The laws I was talking about is that one changes by humankind but the one ur talking about is more like the basics they live in that wont change, I believe.
Sayoku> *sigh* that quote wasn’t for you. Actually I didn’t intend to respond to you about human rights. Ulty already did that and I think the first part was of her last post was addressed to you.
And one more thing, can you please stop being childish? We're not here to mock each other nor this discussion have winner or loser.
Eisenmeteor> I don’t want to ignore your post so ill answer your questions. I'm not that kind of people who beat those gays and lesbians nor hate them and insult them. Eisen you view these people are normal but other view them as abnormal, unnatural or whatever. Yet those people who hit them are ..err kinda wild and I think violence wont solve anything. I used to get chased by lesbians in college and other thinking I'm one of them. I choose college where there are girls only to concentrate on what I'm studying and to stay away from men harassment but now everything changed. Number of lesbians increases and problems again started. This has nothing to do with my opinion with them nor I'm saying this to show you that they are like that. I know not all of them do that and there are nice and kind, but the problem is not with their act towards others but the path they took. Do you want to say that all those countries who forbidden this kind of relationship are idiots and do that without having any logic reasons for that? I don’t think so.
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because in both cases bodies of both actors aren't constructed for this
That’s what I'm trying to say but they don’t want to accept the fact that they're not match for each other and want to make it match by force. Therefore, I'm using this comparison but looks like they didn’t get the point or maybe I wasn’t good enough to reach my point to them v-v
Spanky> those comparison have the same beginning but ended up with different results. Otherwise why boy would love boy? did women extinct? no, and their excuses is love and, therefore, human will fall in love with animal and siblings too. Is it wrong because of the results they end up? No, i think because they don’t match each other. Did you get what I mean now? Most of what I said is related to homosexuality thread and if you still insist that to stop comparing then ill take it as that you don’t know how to respond to that. No one is forcing you to post and as I said before there are no winner or loser. And yeah you have another option if you get sick of comparison. Ignore my posts and relax.
In case you would ask why man x man don’t match each other because as Kari said their bodies aren’t constructed to have sex and this man everything that other man have so on what logic or way you see them match each other? Man x woman can match each other and birth proves that (and this is up to them whether to reproduce or no but as long as they can then they're couple). Those incapable people who cant give birth, they have reasons that make them incapable and this not on their hands.
Leoxjm wrote:
You've been living under a rock.
"Heterosexual intercourse is the primary mode of HIV infection worldwide."
Quoted from wikipedia. Cited references are: Johnson AM and Laga M, Heterosexual transmission of HIV, AIDS, 1988, 2(suppl. 1):S49-S56; N'Galy B and Ryder RW, Epidemiology of HIV infection in Africa, Journal of Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes, 1988, 1(6):551-558; and Deschamps M et al., Heterosexual transmission of HIV in Haiti, Annals of Internal Medicine, 1996, 125(4):324-330.
Your not angel to know everything. I might have wrong information and you too.
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It doesn't. it only proves that these men were fooling around with women who have AIDS. that's all it proves.
Read what wrote above and if that isn’t enough then I think you should wait for miracle.
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Ah, good to know. What is it, then? but if that is so, why are we able to feel joy?
As I said before enjoyment is not everything otherwise we should be in heaven not in incomplete world. Everything has a limit or else people would have wild and have sex with dead people and many other worse things then they'll try to find cure for any diseases that might caused.
And the purpose of sex is not for reproduction alone nor enjoyment alone. So balance between them. Enjoy and reproduce though giving birth isn’t obligate.
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sex is not just about reproduction
Nor it is just for enjoyment either. As I said above for both enjoy and reproduction. If they don’t want reproductions then fine its up to them and if they don’t want to enjoy but seeking for children then again its up to them. So having anal sex means enjoyment only and sex is not a food to have different taste. Beside reading books or eating ice cream aren’t done by two people but the one who is reading or eating is a decision made by the same person not another.
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Don't you think that finding out the truth for yourself would be a good thing anyway?
You are telling me this while you yourself don’t search. Wikipedia doesn’t write everything and it is written by human being not angels nor like it is written 100% true. As Luna said there might be chances to have aids from any kinds of sex but they are afraid telling people that cause they might go crazy. Whats written beyond net isn’t 100% true. That’s why I mentioned that I ask many people about it from many countries and yet I wont take all what I hear as true information. You might be informed as I or don’t tell me that because majority said that then it is 100% true?
I'm sick of reading essays so I didn’t read any of those links. IF I would bring up link of wikipedia saying that they're bag or wrong and blah would you believe it? I don’t think so.
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What?
Whether I explain it or repeat it again nothing will change.
du5k wrote:
I just wanna ask... do you think anal sex between a man and a women is wrong?
If you meant to ask me then yes it is wrong. If I would say its ok then I should support homosexual since they do the same. I already mentioned it if you read all my post.
I still see that right remain right whether it is done in few or all and wrong remain wrong whether it is done in few or all. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:04 am Post subject:
trueline wrote:
Sayoku>
And one more thing, can you please stop being childish? We're not here to mock each other nor this discussion have winner or loser.
i cant, i cant take either of you seriously. im really just fooling around here because eisen, leo and spanky pretty much made their point (again and again and again) i have nothing more to say than enjoy my chance to 'mock' people. the debate really has been dragging on because neither of you can accept some of the basic facts.
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I don’t think she was talking about one man only but most of men muslims. Muslims have vaginal sex with their wives and they're forbidden to have anal sex and this last for centuries without having aids and don’t expect most of them use protection. My mom, grandmother and grand of my grand mother don’t use any condom or any protection, actually they don’t know what is that exactly. Still they don’t have any aids so I think this proves that vaginal sex doesn’t cause aids otherwise you are really waiting for miracle to happened in order to believe.
i need to draw you a picture or what?
- FACT: aids is transmittable via viginal sex alright.
- your relatives did not get aids because none of their sexual partners were carriers of the virus.
- the virus dont come out of nowhere, this isnt magic.
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Do you want to say that all those countries who forbidden this kind of relationship are idiots and do that without having any logic reasons for that? I don’t think so.
yes yes, we would all love to lock them up and execute them, sure why not.
i understand you are not hostile against them, but justifying the laws against homosexuality isnt encouraging at all.
i just realise how conflicting australian law is, but all is good, no imprisonment, whipping and firing at anybody.
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Your not angel to know everything. I might have wrong information and you too.
leo definitely has got more facts right than you did. incuding the part where he said you are living under a rock. ha suck on that. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Well, yes. But I want you to convincingly prove to me that my information is wrong.
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Read what wrote above and if that isn’t enough then I think you should wait for miracle.
I read it. it says that men can have 4 wives and never get aids, which is true and I never disputed in the first place, because AIDS doesn't generate spontaneously.
Then it says that Islam forbids anal sex, which is irrelevant to this point.
Then it says that in places where men can only marry a single woman a man can get AIDS, which is also true.
Then you say that men with aids in KSa were, admittedly unfaithful to their wives, meaning that they most likely caught AIDS from extra-marital sex with other women.
But to say that all of this proves that vaginal sex doesn't cause aids... where is the connection?
I really hoped I didn't have to go though this, but apparently I have to. *sigh* There goes my sleep.
I see you have been reluctant to read up about AIDS (even Spanky's simple post), so I'll give you the rundown. Nice and easy.
AIDS is caused by a virus called Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV). Do you know what a virus is? It is a microscopic living organism. A virus cannot reproduce all by itself. The way a virus reproduces is by finding another organism, such as a cell or a bacterium, and attaching itself to it. The virus carries within itself its own genetic information. When attached to a suitable organism, the virus releases its genetic components inside the organism. The virus' genetic components then take control of that organism and use it to fabricate many, many copies of itself. That process eventually destroys the other organism, but only after the virus has created many copies of itself, which then move on to find other suitable organisms and repeat the process again and again.
Now the HIV reproduces itself using the cells that make up people's immune system. The virus destroys them all, leaving the person with no defenses to fight other diseases. This condition is what we refer to as AIDS. It is because people with AIDS catch infections and diseases easily and they go out of control that they die.
NOW, because of the existence of immune cells in many bodily fluids, including semen AND vaginal secretions, if a person has AIDS the HIV will be in those places as well.
Now, if a man has AIDS and his contaminated semen comes in contact with a woman's vaginal secretion, that woman might end up catching AIDS as well, because the virus will be able to reproduce using the cells in her reproductive system and eventually spread to other parts. Now, if a woman with AIDS has sex with a man, some of her secretions will also be left on his reproductive organs. From there the Virus can come in contact with the man's immune cells and spread though his body. In the case of Anal sex, there are mucous membranes and weak blood vessels in the anus. If a contaminated bodily fluid comes in contact with those membranes or with blood leaked from a ruptured vessel, the virus can attach itself to the immune cells of that person and cause infection. The same goes the other way around (blood from a vessel or mucous tissue contaminating an exposed organ).
So, while it is technically true that vaginal sex doesn't cause AIDS (the cause is the virus), vaginal sex CAN and DOES spread AIDS, given the preexisting condition that one of the two people has AIDS already. By the way, I'm fairly sure that everyone here has taken your word "cause" to mean "spread".
You see? Homosexual sex between men doesn't cause AIDS either. It can spread AIDS, true, but just like heterosexual, vaginal sex can spread it. The origin of the virus itself is unknown. It is currently believed that is was passed from primates to humans somewhere in Africa, but nobody knows for sure.
There are many ways though which a person can catch AIDS. One is, for example, receiving a transfusion of contaminated blood or the use of a contaminated hypodermic needle. But it is certain that, in the case of humans, the contagion occurs from person to person. Someone sick passing it, knowingly or unknowingly, to someone healthy who then becomes sick.
I encourage you to look it up yourself. This is pretty much how it works. Really.
So, now that we know how AIDS actually works, let's go back to the point you were mentioning earlier. Let's see...
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Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
You see, a man can marry one woman. Ideally, he should be faithful to her and only have sexual relations with her (I generally disapprove of extra-marital relations, by the way). However, some men do not have such respect for their wives and go sleeping around with other women, sometimes prostitutes. Because of the amount of sexual activity their job entails, a prostitute has a very large possibility of catching AIDS from another man, or from a contaminated syringe (many prostitutes use drugs). If a man has sex with this prostitute, he will likely catch AIDS. period. The fact that he is married to only one woman is IRRELEVANT. It only makes matters worse, but for different reasons (not only can he contaminate his innocent wife, he would do so because he disrespected her!). On the other hand, if a married man has sex only with his wife, and both are healthy, NEITHER of them will contract AIDS though sex. Period. as easy as that. If they get AIDS it might be because of a blood transfusion or some other cause, but sex or marriage will have nothing to do with it. The difference between this and an Islamic family is the number of wives. Nothing more. If they are healthy, they will likely remain healthy. Period.
trueline wrote:
some Muslims have aids but they admitted that they were playing with many girls who I'm sure one of them was playing with men. I think this prove that vaginal sex doesn’t cause any diseases like aids
What they admitted to was having sex with a woman outside their marriage. The women they had sex with could have caught it from another man they slept with too. While it is true that if you follow the chain you may (just like you may NOT) find a homosexual relation somewhere, THAT doesn't PROVE that vaginal sex doesn't cause (or transmit) AIDS or other STDs. If anything it actually proves it, because, in fact men caught a disease from intercourse with a woman.
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As I said before enjoyment is not everything otherwise we should be in heaven not in incomplete world. Everything has a limit or else people would have wild and have sex with dead people and many other worse things
Ignoring the fact that you're taking everything to extremes again, I have to say that I agree with that, partially.
You see, I think people CAN live happily in the world, but in order for that to happen, the world must be bound by rules that tell us our limits. Rules that prevent us from harming others even if it is for the sake of our own happiness. But rules that allow us to be happy when we are not harming someone, when we are not violating other people's right to be happy.
Still, you haven't answered my question. Neither of them.
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then they'll try to find cure for any diseases that might caused.
I separated this part because I didn't understand it. What?
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And the purpose of sex is not for reproduction alone nor enjoyment alone. So balance between them. Enjoy and reproduce though giving birth isn’t obligate.
Nor it is just for enjoyment either. As I said above for both enjoy and reproduction. If they don’t want reproductions then fine its up to them and if they don’t want to enjoy but seeking for children then again its up to them.
I agree. and, if you think that way, I assume that you think that having sex because of love is no wrong thing, even if it isn't for reproductive purposes. With reproduction out of the way... what is wrong with a homosexual couple having sex because of love? Or just for pleasure?
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So having anal sex means enjoyment only and sex is not a food to have different taste.
I'm not sure what you mean here... so you are against sex for enjoyment only? I have to say that, partially I am too. As I already said, I think sex should be more than that "casual sex" or sex for just pleasure kind of cheapens sex in general (note: kind of).
Now, what if two people decide that they like the pleasurable sensation of sex and both consent to have sex with each other? Just because they like it. I, personally find nothing wrong with that. Yes, it is less than ideal, but if they can make a mature, informed decision and accept its consequences (unwanted pregnancy, for example), then I don't see why they shouldn't do it. And if they both happen to enjoy anal sex, well, more power to them. I don't think that changes anything. As far as I'm concerned, that is like deciding who goes on top.
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Beside reading books or eating ice cream aren’t done by two people but the one who is reading or eating is a decision made by the same person not another.
Oh, you funny gal, I didn't mean it quite so literally. But, like I said it IS a matter of taste but in this case two people decide, not just one. And id one says "No anal sex, I don't like/want it" then they shouldn't do it. Period.
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You are telling me this while you yourself don’t search.
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I said that I HAVE searched, didn't I?
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Wikipedia doesn’t write everything and it is written by human being not angels nor like it is written 100% true.
True.. but, you see, I only mention wikipedia because it is a fairly reliable source and it is easy to access. And yes, I'm well aware it isn't 100% true, but it is very much accurate. In most cases it cites the sources from which it gets its information, so if you choose not to believe in it, you can always go and check out the sources for yourself.
Anyway, I didn't discover wikipedia until I went to college here in the US (year 2004). I have been reading books magazines, going to classes and talking to people since way before that. for example, I recall reading up on AIDS first in 1993, and been finding out stuff about it since. I'm no expert, but I'd say I am fairly knowledgeable.
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As Luna said there might be chances to have aids from any kinds of sex but they are afraid telling people that cause they might go crazy.
do you know what you're talking about? The way AIDS and other STDs are transmitted has been common knowledge for ages! I recall seeing posters in the clinic I went to when I was a kid, for crying out loud!
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Whats written beyond net isn’t 100% true. That’s why I mentioned that I ask many people about it from many countries and yet I wont take all what I hear as true information. You might be informed as I or don’t tell me that because majority said that then it is 100% true?
Well no. But unfortunately, I think that their studies are believable. I think that their methods to ascertain what is going on are valid and trustworthy, and that so are their results. That is why I believe that AIDS doesn't pop our of mixed sperm. That's why I believe in evolution. That is why I don't believe in spontaneous generation. It is true that the majority isn't necessarily right. but the majority isn't necessarily wrong either. And, you know, if you were to ask me about where I got my information so you can see it and afterwards say "well, this is crap because..." I would be glad to show it to you.
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I'm sick of reading essays so I didn’t read any of those links.
Well, I'm sorry, but I don't have any comics that say the same. Essays can be very (VERY!!!) tedious, but give them a try sometime, ok? they aren't the only way to learn, but they are an alternative to our current Socratic conversation that, as far as I can see, is not doing it for you.
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IF I would bring up link of wikipedia saying that they're bag or wrong and blah would you believe it? I don’t think so.
Believe it? Not right out of the bat, but I'd consider it and try to see why does it say they are wrong and what is wrong about them. It might change my mind, it might not. After all, there are those who have "arguments" and "facts" to refute evolution and, after reading up on them, I think they are crap. But at least I read them
Unfortunately you can't claim the same in this case.
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Whether I explain it or repeat it again nothing will change.
Ah, well... if you wanna give up...
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I still see that right remain right whether it is done in few or all and wrong remain wrong whether it is done in few or all.
And nobody has questioned that... why bring it up?
Sayoku: I'm glad that you are having fun with this and yes, I see that our interlocutors here haven't made a strong argument for themselves, but yes, try not to mock others, please.
And don't forget to mention AA as well! _________________
That’s what I'm trying to say but they don’t want to accept the fact that they're not match for each other and want to make it match by force. Therefore, I'm using this comparison but looks like they didn’t get the point or maybe I wasn’t good enough to reach my point to them
easy lino...
evryone got ur point...
but not evryone can accept ur point....
the way you post your opinion, its more like your forcing others to accept your opinion....i dont think you realize that....lino? _________________ [img:300:50:996c22e8b0]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/Ragnarin/myforumLOLskills.gif[/img:996c22e8b0]
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:00 pm Post subject:
genryou wrote:
easy lino...
evryone got ur point...
but not evryone can accept ur point....
the way you post your opinion, its more like your forcing others to accept your opinion....i dont think you realize that....lino?
Easy, Gen.
She was brought up to try repair any mistake or anything she would see as wrong and not be phlegmatic against ANYTHING what would be at least a bit bad and to help others realize what they are doing wrong and what is good.
sayoku wrote:
i dont know whether to laugh or not. no matter what sort of ethics you have, you must believe in facts.
She said that she never HEARD about it, not that she don't BELIEVE despite of facts.
eisenmeteor wrote:
And well what happens behind close doors isn't exactly your concern now is it?
If I see something as wrong so I should be quiet because it is behind the door? I shouldn't care because it is just their thing and if they want do things bad then let them do it that way?
Although you would probably say that it isn't like that and that people should care but on homosexuality is nothing wrong because they don't hurt anybody, there is a sad fact that most of people by following this rule (care only when somebody hurts somebody) learned themselves to not care a lot. They learned to not care about things when somebody doesn't hurt anybody else that they are already also forgetting to care when somebody hurts already somebody else. Here was a point from leoxjm that when his friend would want to suicide he would try to stop him. I don't doubt that he and most of people would try to stop their friend or somebody whom they would know. But how many people would then try to stop somebody absolutely unknown who want suicide? You would see somebody on a bridge above and it would be visible that that person want jump and suicide. How many people would remain below the bridge, just watching on him, and hom many people would try to find the way on the bridge and stop him?
This thing about don't care taught people to not care too much even about things they should care already.
And then, I was like you in this and it isn't too long ago. I was also saying that why should I care if somebody decided to do something and that he isn't hurting anybody. This my stand resulted that I hurted somebody else. I begin to see what I didn't see before in what I was defending. I suddenly saw that what I was defending is standing on a thin ice and when this ice will break, it would be me who would be responsible for that because I did nothing.
I don't know now if I should cry because of you and others that you can hurt many if you'll keep not caring, or if I should be happy for you and others that you don't see for what everything you should be responsible and that you don't feel despair as I do now.
eisenmeteor wrote:
Well let me ask you the same thing, what's a hetrosexual relationship without love? Sex simple as that.
Of course. With only one difference - it would be naturality. Sex between two same gendres is disorder, not naturality.
Anyway I don't support every sex between heterosexuals. About most of them I think as about bad. (I'll write about it in one of answers to leoxjm).
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Now let me ask something does being a homosexual means you just have sex all the time, does it mean that a partner of the same sex don't give a damn about you? "Aww poor you, you had a fight with you parents awww now STFUP take off your clothes so we can have sex" is that how you see homosexual partners? I sure as hell don't, who are you to say they don't support each other or try everything in their power to be there for one another mentally as support and sacrifice themselfs for their partners? Hell take a moment to think about how many hetrosexual couples can you say would give up everything for their partner? Some homosexual do that, they give up their family that they love because they're against them being homosexual, the support and comfort because to them it's the first kind of love you mentioned. Who said that being homosexual only involves sex?
Being a homosexual doesn't mean just have sex. I never said that it is just about it and I never said that the first love isn't in their relation. There is love between them. What is wrong is the disorder in the second love. I don't see homosexuality bad generaly. I see bad only the sexual part of it.
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Here I'll try and give you some reasons why you shouldn't have sex with the opposite sex.
1. You're not in love you only belive you're in love when in reality it's not and you only want her/him for sex. Therfor the relationship is wrong and you may not have sex.
2. You can't reproduce so there's no point in you having sex so just give it up because you're not worth the experiance of having sex when you can't reproduce.
3. The most important fact, the fact that you have sex with the opposite sex makes me sick and is just wrong. What kind of sicko are you? (Do note I never said it was unnatural)
Are these any legimate reason for you to not have sex? Hell no they're stupid. However ask yourself this now what gives you the right to say any of these to anyone? What gives YOU the right?
You made a good point.
Anyway nothing what would persuade me that sex between two same gendres is right. Still I see it as disorder and perverse. Maybe I see it perverse because I'm a hetero and thus I see it as something loathsome. Maybe. Anyway it doesn't change the fact that it is a disorder.
leoxjm wrote:
KaRei wrote:
This fact is offering a conclusion that homosexuality is just a psychical illnesthat can be cured and that homosexuality is just another paraphilia.
Bring me your evidence.
Evidence of curable homosexuality:
Gerhard van den Aardweg (Therapy of Homosexuality)
Doc. MUDr. Kurt Freund, CSc. (Homosexualita u muže [Homosexuality at man])
MUDr. Štěpán Rucki
international organization NARTH
leoxjm wrote:
That so? Ok... then. So, what is it about sex that makes it "perverse", then? what is the difference between "perverse" and "non perverse" sex?
The disorder. The fact that it isn't naturality, but disorder.
Homosexuals are sexualy atracted by same gendre, necrophils are sexualy atracted by dead bodies, zoophils are sexualy atracted by animals. All of these are disorder. And for me are all of these loathsome.
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Ah, there we go again. You see, your second "love" basically means "love~sex=reproduction". And, I I said before, it is more complicated than that. According to your logic using condoms or other forms of contraception is not love either, because it violates the reproductive instinct. same as in other cases I mentioned above. I'm going to assume that you refer to perverse sex as all that which is not for the purpose of reproduction, then. So basically, a man having sex with his wife using a condom is perverse. A man with a vasectomy having sex with his wife is only out for perverse sex. I disagree.
Well, I know that it is more complicated and I was little bit exagerating when I was speaking just about the reproduction. Anyway I disagree with any sort of oral and anal sex, even if it is between man and woman, and I also disagree with hard vaginal sex. All of these has nothing to do with love. It is just plain sex, nothing more, although it is with beloved person. Your mind isn't set during these on the love to the person but to the enjoyment you have from the act. The only sex where love is taking place and where your mind is set on that person and not just on the enjoyment from sex is gentle sex. This is the only sexual act that I'm not finding as bad even if isn't only because of reproduction. (Note to the hard and gentle sex - I don't know how to translate it properly, so I used the most closest expressions.)
If it is just plain sex, I'm against even if you are heterosexual, because such thing is from my point of view bad.
And last few months I see also every sex before marriage as bad (in this case is bad also the gentle one).
Against sex between homosexuals I'm because the oral or anal sex isn't about love, but only plain sex.
Then I'm against it because as a heterosexual I see an idea of having sex with same gendre as loathsome. (This sentence is here just for fullness, not to use it as an argument for or against, because it is personal feeling based on a taste and nothing what would have any weight in serious discussion.)
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Or do you think that a man only loves his wife because of the pure purpose of reproduction?
No, I don't think about it this way. It's something more deeper, as you said. _________________
This fact is offering a conclusion that homosexuality is just a psychical illnesthat can be cured and that homosexuality is just another paraphilia.
Bring me your evidence.
Evidence of curable homosexuality:
Gerhard van den Aardweg (Therapy of Homosexuality)
Doc. MUDr. Kurt Freund, CSc. (Homosexualita u muže [Homosexuality at man])
MUDr. Štěpán Rucki
international organization NARTH
I'll make some quotes. But I'm bias and a communist so don't trust me.
The medical and scientific consensus in the United States is that reparative therapy is not effective at changing sexual orientation and is potentially harmful. No mainstream U.S. medical organization endorses reparative therapy and some have expressed concerns over some of the ethics and assumptions surrounding its practice. The mainstream view is that sexual orientation cannot be changed by therapy, and that attempts to do so may be damaging to the person's well-being,
Ah, using therapy. They might as well as lure them all to one spot and drop the bomb.
LGBT rights supporters characterize the phenomenon as "the Christian Right repackag[ing] its anti-gay campaign in kinder, gentler terms. Instead of simply denouncing homosexuals as morally and socially corrupt, the Christian Right has now shifted to a strategy of emphasizing... the ex-gay movement. Behind this mask of compassion, however, the goal, remains the same: to roll back legal protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people..."
Ah, religious propaganda? Maybe Bush should force POWs to watch Barney 24/7, it might work. They could become fun loving people, hopping around and dinosaur obsess.
Gah! I'm tired today so I'll leave it at that. Leo, Ein and Jaz is pretty much doing the work. _________________
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:51 pm Post subject:
God dammmit it got deleted... time to start over... can't belive I have to write this all over again... an hour of my time wasted...
KaRei: I've tried to cover everthing in your post that was directed at me, let's see if you dare to do the same. Some points are missing since all I wrote got deleted
I never said anything about everything being ok as long as it's behind close doors. But seeing we're talking sex, SEX ask yourself, do you really care about who is having sex with who? Because when I refered to behind close doors I'm talking about sex, not beating up kids or threatening someone but mutual and not underage sex between two people no matter if they're hetro or homo. So tell me what does that have to do with you if people are having sex?
Suicide is diffrent from this, how is that so hard to see? I base my arguments on experiance on things I've been though and seen with my own eyes. Might not be the most relaible ones but I that's what I use. I've never seen some stranger try and jump off a bridge, so I can't answer what I'd do. Speculations are only speculations as you might do someting else in that situatuion. So unless you've been in that situation I won't buy any arguments about that. Also for your information I've talked to people I've never met nor talked to before in my life about suicide and tried to talk them out of it and that they shouldn't give up. I tried to reach out a hand to them.
You've explained why homosexual sex is wrong according to you however you've still not answered my question. What gives you the right to say that it's wrong? What gives you the right to tell someone their love is wrong? Seriously what on earth gives you the right to judge these people.
Now the main qeustion that you never actually answered. Do you think it's ok for people to be chased, harressed, raped , beat up and killed for being who they are? And answer why it was no one interfered with the guy that got beat up.
Like it or not the way your thinking is contributing to things like that happening. As long as people find people that are diffrent wrong, it's becomes more acceptible for some people to go that far for the simple fact that they're diffrent. You say I don't care yet your way of thinking has helped cause the death of many other people. Way to go KaRei you just helped kill people.
And frankly how do you even dare say I don't care about people? You mention suicide and people dying of things like that because "people" like me don't care. You're either intellectually challenged or blind, I made the main focus and point about how I find the way homosexuals are treated wrong. How they can get killed just for being that. And you just sweep that under the rug and pretty much refused to see that point and didn't even comment one little thing about that. What the hell gives you the right to say I don't care about people? Well answer me what give you the right to critizie me and claim I don't care? I showed concern about people being treated wrongly and badly for being who they are, this doesn't only apply to homosexuality but racisim as well and any other social discrimination. I expressed how I found it wrong that they get put through that kinds of things like getting killed because they're diffrent and you blank ignore that and claim I don't care. If you look at it that way obviously you just don't care as much on your little Iland with your coconuts.
Do you see the consequence that your way of thinking helps bring into this world? Alot of hate and hurt.
Line: You didn't answer on the question why violence is used upon them. I made an example of them getting beat up in broad daylight for everyone to see yet no one did anything to stop it when they found out they were guys dressed as girls. Why is that, you say violance is bad and that they're weird but why is it that it's become accepted to act like that against them?
Like you said everyone diffrent and I'm aware not all homosexuals acts with respect towards others. However I think it should go both ways, people should not use violance on other people no matter what sex your attracted to.
To answer your question yes and I have a logic explenation and it's up to you if you belive in my reasoning or not.
I told you all I see it in the same light as racisim and if homosexuality is not accepted it's pretty much the same thing as saying racisim is alright as well. Because both are about not accepting something that's diffrent from you, treating them diffrently even badly and lethal. I find the act of condeming someone for being diffrent wrong. I'm not saying we should accept anything but those that mean we should reject everyone that's diffrent? People judge all homosexuals the same and even refuse to see the person that they are and only see that they're homosexual, same thing can be said in racisim they only see that you're not from the same country and therefor no need to get to know you. Thoughts like that brings hostility and in that lies my logic.
Du5h; Sorry almost missed your post, I meant that as long as people find it wrong there will be hostility aimed towards them, pretty much just read the paragraph over this one.
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:20 pm Post subject:
KaRei wrote:
sayoku wrote:
i dont know whether to laugh or not. no matter what sort of ethics you have, you must believe in facts.
She said that she never HEARD about it, not that she don't BELIEVE despite of facts.
read, you! whoever you are.
trueline wrote:
ulty wrote:
In Islam a man is allowed to marry four women yet he never had AIDS. All of his wives didn’t had any diseases. They have children and grandchildren now. Islam prohibited men to have anal sex. All these years and centuries Islam remained and this rule remained with it, now your saying vaginal sex can make AIDS?
Now tell me something muslim men marry four women yet he cant get AIDS nor its spread in the city and other countries prohibited men to marry more than one woman yet he can get AIDS?
You make me feel relief since I was shocked when everyone said even vaginal sex causes aids. I never ever heard of this one.
no the hell she does.
Angel_Armz wrote:
Ah, religious propaganda? Maybe Bush should force POWs to watch Barney 24/7, it might work. They could become fun loving people, hopping around and dinosaur obsess.
hahaha good one.
leo> aye aye captn'! start froooooom...now. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject:
hooo boy U guys took the words of argument from my mouth and then some
All i would like to say is that most of us here that believe strongly in religion namely the three ones that are monotheistic.
We all have our own opinions and I personally don't have any mal-intent towards homosexuals. I feel that Homosexuality is wrong but I still don't feel hatred towards any one "Gay"
and I know that christianity teaches us to love our neigbors as ourselves so yea. and Plz when everyone is typing be scholarly about it and try not to make it sound like some kind of flame post or the like.
this is a thread of discussion on the topic of homosexuality =]
thx for listening to my two cents.
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Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2007 12:27 am Post subject:
Im not going to waste too much of my time here since i already said what i needed to say and others too..but like Spankit said..STOP COMPARING HOMOSEXUALITY WITH EVERYTHING ELSE (i.e beastiality or incest)!! because it is not in the one bit alike! the only thing i can agree they have in common is that there's a conspiracy..but THATS IT! emotionaly, physically, mentaly, and socially it is completely and utterly different!..geez
And im not a religious person either (though i do have christians and catholics in my family)
so i know what the opposing side is talking about....but all i read is "brainwash" talk =P (sorry but thats just my view on it)
just because it says its wrong in the book or cause its not anatomically right doesn't make it a horrible thing.
its all a matter of broadning ur options that maybe life just isn't black and white! -.-;;
anyways..those books are full of contradictions =P
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I say. Since I saw many lesbians and gays and get along with them. It may not be all but some of them do.
Are you sure you are not confusing that with them "coming out of the closet??"..like i said earlier..some gays take a while to fully come out to their family and friends because of society and fear of rejection, but that doesn't mean that they we're straight and decided to go gay. No, they were gay to begin with..it just took them a while to be proud of it and tell everyone else...that has nothing to do with being influenced.
Leo already mentioned everything i wanted with this statement as well..
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I know but not all. Some specific heterosexuals.
LuNa>>>Have you get what I mean? I meant not all of them born with less hormones and you cant say a normal man gets attract from a man rather than a girl. If so then it doesn’t get in my mind since you said he's normal.
I really don't get why they are abonormal, though...seriously they function just as well as any other damn human around..heck some may be even better..but liking someone of the same gender in no sense makes them abnormal
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Siblings love, animal human love, and homosexuality ended up with diseases and that’s why I compared them
EVERYONE IS SUSEPTIBLE!...not just homosexuals, not just sisterly or brotherly love or even animal abuse..everyone can get it..and again i still don't see the similarity...we can both waste our breath talking about this but it really wont make a difference..point being love is two sided..the things ur using to prove ur point is ONE sided..they can't help another, or communicate..or anything like that...gays can..they're a couple who work through hardships to move on..just like a heterosexual couple.
As for your "love comment" ... I personally haven't fallen that deeply in love with anyone so i can't compare...but love isn't based on just a lustful emotion..u can love in many ways..and if your not hurting n e one then it isn't bad..loving someone and FORCING them to love u back is! thus why ur other options don't make a good argument.
I work at a hospital..have been for a while..and i do see people come in with AIDS..some just for a check-up and some are there on their last days..and guess what..most of them are heterosexuals! =O well isn't that a shock!
Simple point- if your having sex..ANY KIND of sex and your're not careful then ur at risk for getting it..period.
Sayo- I've heard about that too..and if my mind hasn't failed me...i think my instructor might know where i can find it..
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What women do with their wombs is THEIR problem. God has nothing to do with it. God also made women fertile at age 12. should they be made pregnant at that age? God gave us hands that we can use to beat each other with. therefore, should we do it? Or should we use those hands to help each other out instead? Shouldn't we be able to decide? I believe in doing good, I believe in helping each other be happy without making others suffer unnecessarily. It is true that sadness and pain will not disappear from the world, but I think people can do things to minimize them. And If God thinks that doing so is bad or evil, I don't need such a God in the first place.
-claps- very well said =)
Im done fighting with these comparisons...It's starting to get repetative =P
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