Goku VS Superman

Anidzuki · newbie! Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 43

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawcett_Comics

Umm, no it wasn't created by Marvel. Fawcett Publications was an independent publisher back in the 1940's (I own almost all their comics). And then lost a lawsuit to National Comics Publications, and then in 1972, DC bought the rights to Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family. But that was really off topic.

Captain Marvel does not have the ability to throw mountains and withstand nuclear bombs. Superman does, yet, still almost lost and almost got everyone killed(except Flash, he can't die) & went to kill everyone in the UN.

EDIT: This topic has gone on for 4 pages already. I never expected this topic to go on for so long.

PsiKro · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Dec 10, 2006 Posts: 86

red255, you can't ignore Goku's abilities because of 'bad writing'. So what if the fight takes multiple episodes? Thats just an example of how tough and equally matched the opponents are (especially since they have similar abilities), not because they suck at fighting. The powers given to the characters are done THROUGH WRITTING. So is Superman. There is really no way for you to win this argument as both characters are FAKE and their powers can CHANGE due to BAD WRITTING. Yes, BOTH!.

I think this debate has just basically become a battle of opinions without any valid arguments as pretty much everything has already been stated in previous posts. The last page has basically become 'Goku can't use large blasts because it isn't physically possible' and 'Bad writting makes Goku weak'. How is that a valid argument when both characters are unique and have their own unique ways of surviving and fighting? Lets just ignore one characters strengths by saying they're the result of 'bad writing' or 'unrealistic' ? You can't do that without denying Superman the same thing.

red255 · Jikan Samurai Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 923

Schrodinger · newbie! Joined: Aug 12, 2007 Posts: 5

I have seen this arguement many times before on other boards, both comic and anime alike. There are always the fanboys that come out most of the time it's the DBZ fanboy and some fangirls..but not to say there isn't any Superman diehard fans. Ok first of all there are many types of Superman out there, well there has to be he is one of the oldest superheros that has been around. So of course the writers have enough time to give him many powers.

Difrent Supermans I can think of are:

Planet 1 Superman- Would have trouble with Goku.
Planet 2 Superman- Would have trouble with Goku.
Pre-Cris Superman- Would have a fair fight with Goku.
Post-Crisis Superman- May pose a challange for Goku.
Golden Age Superman- Goku might win but doubt it.
Superman Prime- No way in hell Goku would win. :: Reason why, Superman Prime is a god he destroyed a entire solar system just by sneezing.:

Now we got Goku's forms:
Oozaru- Major strength increase, no control, to slow.
Normal State- Not going to work agianst Superman needs more power.
Fake SSJ- Still not enough.
SSJ 1- Ups the anty but might not pravail.
USSJ- Power but slow.
USSJ2- Power but to slower
USSJ3- Way to slow has power though.
Full powered SSJ- When they trained to stay that long.
SSJ2- Faster, stronger and more effiencet. ( The bionic man of SSJ.)
SSJ3- Strength increase incredibly as well as speed, energy is wasted.
Golden Oozaru- Alot of power, but no control and slow movement.
SSJ4- Strength and speed suck, but energy attacks are stronger.

Non-Cannon Levels:
Gogeta/ Vegeto- Has to have Vegeta.

Goku fused with the Dragon- Is basicaly a God, but eh. Superman has beaten down gods before. He rustles with Darkseid all the time..even though he sometimes gets his ass handed to him a silver platter.

Now many people would claim that Goku would win basicaly off the fact that they try very hard to convince. That is that the Ki, Chi, Chakara whatever you want to call it..the Jedi's call it the "Force" is magical in means. That is not true, why is that important in the fight? It's because Superman has three essentil weaknesses.

1. Kryptonite
2. Red suns
3. Magic

Yes magic, seems that the boy scout in blue may be invulernable to pyhscial attacks but magical attacks put him down. Also the thing about his invulernablity. The only reason he is invulerable is because he uses the power he recieves from the yellow sun to put up a invisable bio-shield millimeters away from his body. Thats how he can keep that uniform of his so clean and not torn in fights. It is shown by Darkseid, Doomsday and many others that this is true. Like Doomsday showing everyone even the Man of Steel can be physicaly beaten to death. So Goku with his energy attacks which I would rate a seven out of ten would be pretty effective agianst Superman. Although it depends on what Superman, some Supermans are ten times faster then the speed of light. So in your face Physics and Albert Einstein! DC isn't consestent with the laws of physics all the time.

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See what did I tell you? Physics my ass, a black hole at any size known by anyone wise to blackholes knows that Blackholes can even suck up light. Meaning that Superman flies faster then the speed of light, which is plain BS in the world of pyhsics. Put any Superhero, including Goku on Earth Prime and then see how things turn out. For those who don't know what Earth Prime is, it's basically our earth that dosn't have any superheros on it..yeah the writers thought to put our world in their.
Goku states that he can only travel the speed of mass, or at the speed light pretty much so Goku is outmatched in speed. However there is some shining hope for Goku. Supermans just speed blitz his enemey. While Goku can teleport up or down side to side you name it.

Now on the intillegence debate..Superman is way smarter then Goku. Goku is childish true, and is dumb as a rock pretty much. Though thats just in book smarts, he is pretty tactical in battle. However like I said Superman is smarter, how? Goku has never out tricked a god like being, as in the fifth dimensional imp named Mr Mxyplyzyk. He could turn Superman into ashes at any moment but he dosn't because he likes to have fun with him. Not even the Spectre messes with him, if you don't know who the Spectre is go find out. The only beings he dosn't mess with are God and his two sons, Micheal Demigurgi also known as Archangel and Samuel of Light also known as Lucifer the Morningstar after his rebellion in heaven.[/img]

du5k · A-Source Staff Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6357

red255 · Jikan Samurai Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 923

Anidzuki · newbie! Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 43

Schrodinger · newbie! Joined: Aug 12, 2007 Posts: 5

Anidzuki · newbie! Joined: Jul 19, 2007 Posts: 43

aghh, now I regret not buying the books when I had the chance. Now I can't find them anywhere >.>;

Schrodinger · newbie! Joined: Aug 12, 2007 Posts: 5

I wonder, do the DBZ movies count as cannon in this debate? I mean if Goku had prep he could manage that spirit bomb absorbtion because it wouldn't work if he threw it at Superman.

ShadwHeart · Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject:

du5k · A-Source Staff Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6357

red255 · Jikan Samurai Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 923

du5k · A-Source Staff Joined: Nov 05, 2005 Posts: 6357

ok... I've never heard of the word lobotimize. or "fight ova"...

But I don't see how Goku being a world destroying crimimal allows Superman to lobo... something his brain.

Simoon · Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject:

Just have a couple comments here. One is that I agree with ShadwHeart, in the case where it seems as though your just taking bits of information.
How can Goku be a world destroying criminal.....if he has saved the world multiple times?

And you say that a Superman without moral restrictions would be able to beat Goku, well then that wouldn't be superman. And if you say it doesn't matter on the power comparison, then take out Goku's moral restrictions as well. Don't tweak the characters to get the outcome you want.