Goku VS Superman

[red255]

Did you people Not watch DBZ?

Let me break it down for you simple like

Superman > Averageman > jawbreaker > Gogeta > Goku > Pretty much everything in DBZ.

Superman > Averageman .... from the name also pretty sure Superman is at least 100X averageman from the series.

Averageman > Jawbreaker, I could take a jawbreaker, pretty much anyone could.

Jawbreaker > Gogeta, from the Buu fight, Buu was getting his arse PWNED by a jawbreaker, and decided he would rather fight Gogeta.

Gogeta > Goku. (cuz otherwise why fuse at all?)

Goku > everything else DBZ. you'll all agree to that.


It didn't look easy to blow up 'cause Goku was STRONG, it looked easy to blow up cuz it was cardboard like. being SOO much weaker than a jawbreaker.

I mean Picolo blew up the moon with a PL of ~1000 or some.

Giant-ass men floating around? Obviously the planet has no mass, and thereby no gravity. Which is also why it is so weak and easy to destroy.

so the planets mass had less gravity than a jawbreaker, and well I'VE never even felt a jawbreaker's gravity pull.

So .... DBZ characters, are very much weaksauce.

If you think different its because you smoked too much pot and didn't pay attention to the show.

[Viewtiful_E]

I hope your post was a joke, red255...

This is interesting, I've wondered about it since I saw a picture of the two fighting.

Superman

Race: Kyrptonian

Intro: The Man of Steel, Superman! Known for leaping large buildings in a single bound and out racing a speeding bullet, he quite possibly Earth’s greatest hero! From the planet Krypton, Superman posses great strength, speed and durability!

Okay… now that I’ve got that out of my system.

Superman is thought to be this unbeatable juggernaut that surpasses all other villains and heroes in every category. This just isn’t true at all and to understand what he is capable of you need to look at the current Superman and not the Silver-Age Superman. The modern Superman is bested or equaled in strength to plenty of villains and heroes, utterly defeated in speed by the Flash and Zoom, nowhere near as durable as Doomsday and not as smart as Batman.

He has been killed before and Doomsday was the one to do the feat, which was kind of a cheap victory because Doomsday’s body evolves to deal with any sort of harm that was dealt to him. Darkseid has on a number of occasions come close to defeating Superman and his Omega beams are extremely deadly to the Man of Steel.

Now, onto an examination of Superman’s attributes.

Strength:

His strength is hardly ever clearly explained, but it is reasonable to conclude that he is strong enough to at least break or bend any natural mineral or metal found on Earth. He has been shown stopping meteors and redirecting them, and his cyborg clone has been shown actually hurling a defeated Doomsday strapped onto a rocket into the depths of space.

Speed:

Superman has great speed but he is unable to reach, let alone precede the speed of light. He has been shown to run over the surfaces of large bodies of water, concluding that his legs move fast enough to step onto the surface of the water and then be pulled away before the surface was split. Superman has also been shown to move fast enough to traverse great distances in space, such as between solar systems and even galaxies.

Durability:

Superman has been shown to receive damage by similarly powered foes and magic. Enemies like Darkseid, Black Atom, Superboy Prime and as mentioned before, he was beat to death by Doomsday. Heroes such as the Flash (able to make his mass infinitely dense), Wonder Woman, the Martian Man Hunter, Captain Marvel and a fully powered Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) have or are easily capable of harming him.

Nuclear weaponry has been shown to cause the Man of Steel great harm and have left him in a weakened state.

Stamina:

The yellow sun fuels Superman at a set rate so he can survive without much food or water but he can burn up his energy at a faster rate then the sun fuels him, making it deadly to engage in prolonged battle with a powerful foe.

Powers:

Superman’s most famous power is his ability to fly, which is arguably when he can move the quickest. His heat vision can pierce or melt just about anything other then lead and his x-ray vision can see though anything but lead. His breath powers can freeze just about anything and produce rather strong winds, but are probably not strong enough to phase high-caliber foes, otherwise he would use it more often.

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Goku

Race: Saiyan

Intro:

“Where there is a will there is a way!�

Goku has an undefeatable spirit and determination that is matched only by his rival Vegeta’s stubbornness. During his lifetime, Goku has trained extensively in the martial arts and ki manipulation and has put these skills to the test against powerful foes just as much.

More often then not, Goku has met with foes that were far more powerful then he was but because of his tremendous will and advanced genetics, he has come out on top each time. Though he does have his limits, as shown in his battle with Raditz, the only battle he died in as an only option of victory. The villain Cell has also killed him but Goku had sacrificed himself by transporting a self-destructing Cell at the very last moment without any time to escape. Though the explosion did destroy an immensely dense albeit small planet and would have destroyed all if not most of Earth and all of Goku’s allies.

Now… onto the attributes…

Strength:
The greatest feat of strength that Goku has ever displayed was lifting the Z-Sword a large chunk of the universes densest material, but if memory serves correctly, Goku did so with some difficulty.

Speed:

Goku is able to normally move at speeds that render him invisible to the human eye, while engaging in combat. Though it isn’t shown in Dragon Ball Z, he is probably capable of running across the surface of the water, I even think he did so in Dragon Ball. The exact extent of his speed is a mystery to me, feel free to fill me in if you know.

An odd event in Dragon Ball is the distortion of time, where the combatants fight long epic battles over the span of a short amount of time. In the Freeza saga, Goku and Freeza have five minutes to finish their duel but logically the events that occur would take far longer then five minutes, indicating that Goku at that early stage was able to move at tremendous speeds or someone really just screwed up and forgot about the five minutes thing.

Durability:

Though his many battles, Goku has been shown to survive attacks both physical and ki based that are capable of deforming the environment around him and potentially able to destroy the entire planet. On numerous occasions he has been sent flying though mountains and rock formations and each time he has emerged with little damage other then where he was attack, indicating that he is much tougher then his surroundings. This is probably due to the aura around his body acting like a shield.

Stamina

Goku’s stamina is limited but also very large. His enormous will allows him to keep fighting well after his reserves have been depleted, often continuing until he is completely drained.

Powers:

Though the use of ki, Goku is able to fly and shoot beams of ki from his body, usually his hands. The exact speed of his flight capabilities has never been mentioned but it does use up his ki reserves, but the drainage is small enough not be a hindrance. His ki blasts in their many forms can easily destroy a planet and can be fired off at any moment. Though his more powerful ki attacks need to be charged for a period of time.

Goku also has the ability to read or feel the ki of another living organism, allowing him to locate an opponent and fight efficiently at high speeds.

His most powerful ability is Instantaneous Transmission (I.T.), which allows Goku to travel any distance instantly, provided he could see the location or lock onto a ki signature.

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Conclusion!

Finally we are at the conclusion!

After typing all of this out and researching the characters I’ve concluded that Goku would win, but it would probably be a very close battle.

My reasoning is that the two are most likely very close in strength and both have performed considerable feats to demonstrate this. This would enable Goku to actually hurt Superman and because the two are most likely evenly matched in speed it would come down to who is the better fighter and the answer would obviously be Goku, he has trained in the martial arts all of his life.

Not only that but Goku could use his I.T. to deliver any sort of attack on Superman at the drop of a hat, meaning that he could charge up a quick ki based attack, vanish into thin air and appear right at Superman’s chest, nailing him with the energy. Now… you may say that Superman can easily dodge this with his speed but such is not true, in the Teen Titans, Superboy blasted Superman with his eyebeams, which Superman should have been able to dodge and would have liked to, considering his favorite cape was damaged.

After reading and watching both Superman and Dragon Ball over the years I’ve witnessed much but I’m going to have to say Goku would win.

This is not a biased opinion considering I can’t stand Goku, his very personality gets on my nerves and the same goes for Superman. I’m much more of Krillin and a Batman fan.
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[ercekion]

@up
Nice analysis. And pretty accurate to. Yeah gogku would win. no doubts about that

[REC]

Viewtiful_E....

Do you really think Goku is the strongest?
From your detail explanation, you know so much about them even though you are more of a Krillin and a Batman fan.

From your review, I like it.....I love IT.....

Cause I am a Goku fan......hehe

Nice to meet you.....senior member.....!

[Viewtiful_E]

Thanks for the praise, my goal was to crush any sort of fanboyism towards the characters and logically come up with a winner. It was tough to decide though, but in the end I can just see Goku winning, mainly because I know Superman isn't as invincible as everything thinks he is. Sure he is one hell of a hero but he isn't even the best in that universe. Superman is weak to magic, which means that Captain Marvel could defeat him in battle.

Oh and REC, I know Goku is the strongest hero in Dragonball because he was the only one that could stand up to Kid Buu (The true and final form) in the last few episodes, Vegeta just got the crap kicked out of him. The only good guys that are stronger are the fusions but they are actually two people and should not be counted. Besides… the most powerful fusions include Goku.
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[Anidzuki]

It's sad that I have to say thing (even though I'm a superman fan, and really hate dragonball), Goku would win hands down. Even if superman was at his "near" invulnerable state, his overlaying weakness to magic and energy attacks would give Goku such an easy win.

Strength: Goku hands down - I mean a 900 Billion Power Level (Lol @ DBZ card game) @ SSJ4 has to account for something ...

Speed: Superman can't travel as fast as the Flash -- The Flash can travel through dimensions with speed - Goku can travel through dimensions and make it seem like it he did it all in a blink while fighting Frieza and eating a 80 oz steak.

Durability: Goku died many times, but... when has dying ever stopped him?

Powers: Heat Vision - Nuclear Explosion Strength
Super Kamehameha - "I just destroyed your planet" Strength

[red255]

[PestilenceX]

jobber??

Superman and Goku are hard to compare. You would really have to look first which superman and which Goku to compare as there have been so many at so many different levels of strength.

Superman definately has the better personality though in my book

[red255]

[Anidzuki]

Probably due to habit, but you know.. it's goku and like he just teleports back anyway..

[Viewtiful_E]

Jobber? I wouldn't say in any way that he is a jobber, most of the time he ends up fighting enemies that are much stronger but often plays a crucial part in most of the battles. What you are missing is that Goku was downplayed in Dragonball Z; it was supposed to be all about Gohan but the fans disliked this so Akira Toriyama decided to switch focus back to Goku after he sacrificed himself for the second time.

So during most of Dragonball Z, Goku took the back seat and it focused more on Gohan, unlike in Dragonball where Goku was focused on and thus presented in a better light. It isn't until the Buu/majin saga that Goku really started to display his power. Another thing that is evidence to his strength was Mirai Trunks' time line. In that time line Goku dies of a heart disease, and as a result Androids #17 and 18 defeat everyone besides Gohan. It is commonly known that if Goku did not die 17 and 18 would not have won.

Also he has only died twice in Dragon Ball Z and they were both self-sacrifices. As for his loss/win ratio, it really isn't that drastic.

He lost against:

• Vegeta during thier fight on Earth.
  
  
• Android #19 but it was due to a heart disease.
  
  
• He gave up against Cell but probably could have beaten him if he was truly trying. That whole bit was just to push Gohan to reach SSJ II.
  
  
• Now... he depending on how you look at it, you can say he lost to Kid Buu but he more or less just ran out of energy.
  

He won against:

• Nappa
  
  
• The entire Ginyu force, excluding Captain Ginyu because Goku's body was stolen for most of the fight.
  
  
• Freeza [At the time thought to be the most powerful active being in the universe]
  
  
• Kid Buu
  

As you can see, he most likely won as many fights as he lost but... again... the series wasn't meant to be about Goku.

Goku may not know magic but he can use energy based attacks, which also hurt Superman. If you don't believe me go take a look at him getting hit by Darkseid’s Omega Beams (I think they are called that). Superman is really more resilient towards physical damage then any other sort of damage. Really… people tend to overestimate Superman to a great degree and it is all because of how he was back in the 60’s and maybe even the 70’s, and if Superman was as strong as he was then, he would most likely be able to beat Goku, but that isn’t today’s Superman.

Today’s Superman is matched and surpassed by other superheroes in many different categories. He is no longer as fast as the Flash, stronger then everyone else and more resilient then even the toughest of the tough. Superman now has limitations but just about everyone likes to think he does not, this is partially why I have a certain dislike for Superman.

Goku on the other hand is also overestimated in certain regards, mainly because he really isn’t unstoppable either, he almost lost to Kid Buu but due to a certain wish he had his energy restored and he used a Spirit Bomb to defeat Kid Buu. He has also struggled in just about ever battle he has ever been in, but these foes tend to be as powerful if not more powerful then he is.

Though to outright deny that Goku is powerful would be saying that Superman is in no way powerful. Both characters are immensely powerful and strong willed but I still believe that in the long haul, Goku would be able to prevail.
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[PsiKro]

I really don't see how Goku can lose as DragonBall Z makes the characters appear God-like. When it comes down to it, they both have similar attributes such as super strength, speed, flying, beams, toughness, etc, but is Superman really on par with Goku? Goku and other DragonBall Z heroes are hit with energy beams that can destroy planets and survive. I think that says that Goku is at least as durable if not more then superman without a need for a detailed comparison. In terms of speed, Goku and the others can move so fast that they can't be seen. They can catch bullets with ease and circle the world in minutes (I remember Goten and Trunks fused circled it multiple times, although it's been a while since I've watched so I'm not sure how long it took). Not to mention Goku can actually teleport. So can Superman even block any of his punches? I doubt he could even land a hit on Goku. I say Goku and most other DragonBall Z heroes would win hands down. Not to mention Superman has a major weakness Goku doesn't.

[red255]

teleporting back from the dead is just stupid. It DOES require he keep his body in the spirit world too, So.... if the body is destroyed... poor DEM powered goku.

But you are basically ignoring his stupid weaknesses and only caring about his stupid strengths. DBZ was a comedy show... so logic doesn't really make sense here.

The DBZ author SUCKED at math and physics, and had a number of moves that would just kill goku if attempted.

The kamehameha wave for example. As explained in a world with physics would kill Goku when fired. easily.

[PsiKro]

Thats like saying in a world with physics super man wouldn't be able to fly or shoot lasers from his eyes. They're both fictional characters from another planet so why should Goku not be able to use the kamehameha wave?

Btw, I wasn't referring to him coming back from the dead, but actually using his instant transmission or whatever it's called in the dub. He can teleport anywhere he wants, he doesn't have to fly there or run there etc.

[du5k]