Atheism

trueline · Pure Hope Joined: Jun 13, 2006 Posts: 5134

07cbdj>
the link that talks about the law which I quoted from it.

Actually not all the facts are accepted by people even with clear evidences and proofs.

Chances doesn't exist and there's no evidences at all. Its used to fill the gaps so this theory can live more further.
So theory which started with flaw will regarded as flaw with fales or whatever.

Hartofsol · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:22 pm Post subject:

First of all let me Apologize to anyone whom I might offend believe me I do not intend to. I read the forums rules though i mention specific religious groups I am in no way singeing anyone out here.

Secondly let me apologize for not reading all thirteen pages, I read the first page and page 13 and the last reply on page 12. I will read the rest of the pages later when I have more time.

Ok so I just wanted to put down my thoughts on this.

So I was raised Christian, but we didn't go to church until I was in Junior High and High school, I personally don't believe in any of it.

By label I suppose I'm an Atheist, but this is how I feel.

First, I read the bible a couple of times in fact, I know more about it than most Christians, Catholics ect ect why? Because I'm actually pretty philosophical when I want to be.

This is it plain and simple, I don't believe in a God, or Gods. There are many reasons for this, and I could sit here and poke holes in the bible and not just the bible but in many other religious groups I have studied, but I'm not going to.

Plain and simple I don't believe, to bad, When I die I have no clue what’s going to happen to me, and personally I'm fine with that.

What I do believe in is being a moral and polite person, and not being a menace to society. Pretty much i believe in most of the lessons that are taught in the bible and not only the bible but in other religious groups (of course not all teach this) So I could really care less what anyone believes in as long as they don't push it on me.

Its funny that religion is such a big deal, So you believe in God? Awesome, that belief made my father stop being an alcoholic and saved my parents marriage, who am I to sit there and tell him what he believed in that entire time is just a bunch of meaningless stories? At the same time who are you to tell me that I'm leading my life incorrectly because i wont acknowledge God. So? I mean I'm the one who's damned right.

Now I'm not saying anyone in this thread has been pushing religion my point is this is just the way I look at things, you can be the most devout Christian, protestant, catholic, atheist whatever I really don't care, if you don't try to take my time, money, morals, and ethics and put them on the chopping block I will return the favor. Personally I think religion does alot of good, but it also does alot of bad and its just not something i want to or care to be a part of.

Are Atheists right? No clue, are they immoral? some are, but no religion or group of people are all perfect I mean even the bible says it, we are human. Are they hypocrites? yea defiantly some are, but then again so are alot of other people who are Christian ect ect. (sorry to keep using Christians don't mean to bash on you guys ^.^ just first thing that comes to mind)

All in all I really don't think I'm an atheist when it comes down to it this is what I believe in.

I didn't come from god, I didn't come from some mysterious galactic explosion. I didn't evolve from a frog.

I just am, my mom and my dad got jiggy with it and I was the result, what will happen to me when I’m gone? no idea. What am I supposed to do while I’m here? have fun. Are we alone in the universe? I hope not.

heh *shrug* sorry to rant I'm pretty hot headed about this sometimes peoples lack of acceptance really ticks me off.

I'm done. Smile

well kinda. lastly sorry if I went off topic Wink

I know this is supposed to be about Atheists and not all religion, but I'm at work and rambling so thanks to anyone who bothers to read this rant Smile

Oh and of course please feel free to call me out on anything to me this is fun, I love debating beliefs in a polite non hostile way, I do it with my family all the time as I'm one of two people in a 40+ person family that doesn't believe.
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07cbdj · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

Hart: Almost exactly my words. (btw it's etc (et cetera) not ect) Wink

Hartofsol · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:

*claps*

Good research and nice conclusions.

One thing though. I agree with Line in the way she meant it.

Creation is proven- Hence we are here. Smile

I believe that is what she meant.

On a side note about being able to prove something, its going to be quite hard if you think about it we have studied the human body but we can't even solve the riddle that is well us.

i mean we only use a small percent of our brains so in a way we are not even 'operating' (yes thats quite the unique word) at maximum potential as a species. There are 100 different things about the human mind and body that are still a mystery to us, and without being able to understand what we are now i really don't think we are going to be able to prove or even understand where we came from at least in a scientific perspective.

Now I also wanted to say that evolution has also been proven within the last 100 years. Look at the human race, we have greatly evolved maybe not physically but mentally we are much more aware of the world around us not only that but just the existence of this post is proof that we have evolved.

Its very scary to think where our race will be at in 100 years, that is if we don't destroy ourselves first.

but yea the theory of evolution is very very tricky to prove or disprove depending on how your looking at it, personally I rather spend my time wondering what else is out there besides us Razz

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Don't really know where i was going with this rambling again -.- sorry hehe. My main point was what Line meant Razz

or what i think she meant.
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ultimasome · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 3:16 am Post subject:

07cbdj · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:28 am Post subject:

Hartofsol · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 9:48 am Post subject:

Ultimasome> Actually i really like the Qur'an, by holes i mean inconsistencies I have looked at the Qur'an and know some about it however its not one of the books I have spent alot of time looking at.

Um, also not sure what you meant here

spankit · A-Source Staff Joined: Jan 29, 2006 Posts: 4562

am agnostic.
does not remember if i posted here.
but there are SO many misconceptions on satanism its not even funny.

satanism isn't evil hocus pocus magic shit.
it also isn't an excuse to be a masochist and indulge
in all those sexual rituals everyone keeps thinking about.
because of the negative press the average person has a very
skewered view on satanism. so you guys grow up and do some
research.

satanism stresses belief in materialism and indivisualism.
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trueline · Pure Hope Joined: Jun 13, 2006 Posts: 5134

Hartofsol · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject:

07cbdj · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:

I finished reading this link.
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I think most of the "evidences" mentioned mean something totally different, but there was someone who tried to apply them to scientifical findings and with a bit of twisted logic he/she managed it.
But I was rather surprised to see this:
{In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days...}
{If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones....}
The professor's comment:“So that the two hadeeths (the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad ) that have been noted provide us with a specific time table for the main embryological development before forty days.[...]"
I really don't know what to say about this. How can this few line be a specific time table? And it isn't even true...
But I think the problem here is that these are only a few lines from the full text.

Guess I have to read the Quran now. Shocked

Oh, man...
(You could have started with this link. It managed to have some effect on me. I imagined what would it be like if I "started to believe" now. I found a lot more questions doubting the existence of God. I'm not ready yet, You have to work more on me. Wink

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trueline · Pure Hope Joined: Jun 13, 2006 Posts: 5134

harty> Religion that explain things out of our mind or you could say nonesense that one can't accept it only blindly then I would rather call it a religion made by mankind for specific purpose.

07cbdj> What's written in Quran was before 1400 years and it never changed (there are many links talked about it in my old previous posts). How can one manage to write things that scientists these years approving them as fact with the last techinology we reached?
The Quran written in Arabic and its translated into english so it won't be clear as much as in Arabic because there are some words don't exist in English. This might confuses some people if they didn't concentrate.

That link didn't provide the full texts of Muhammad(pbuh) sayings (or hadeeths)and thats why your not getting the point.
I think you've lurk around this one too Link
but again I couldn't find the details in English to make things more clear to you. Once I find any I'll post it here.
Also no scintefic error was found in Quran and I have a debate about this matter but i don't remember which one exactly but here's the Link if you have time.
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Dobby · Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

I agree of that explain things out of our mind or you could say nonsense that one can't accept it only blindly then I would rather call it a religion made by mankind for specific purpose. The Quran written in Arabic and its translated into English so it won't be clear as much as in Arabic because there are some words don't exist in English, This might confuses some people if they didn't concentrate. think most of the evidences mentioned mean something totally different, but there was someone who tried to apply them to scientifically findings and with a bit of twisted logic he/she" managed it.
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trueline · Pure Hope Joined: Jun 13, 2006 Posts: 5134

Dobby>Of all the people here, you copied mine -___-
ah your banned now.

another link with videos
Scientists comment on the Quran
I don't know where to find that full comment about embryo development =/
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mstice · Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:29 pm Post subject:

I didn't bother reading all the replies before I posted my own, so forgive if everything I say has already been said.

I have two beefs with atheism:

First, you can't prove definitively God isn't real. I realize the "flying spaghetti monster" retort to this is a fairly convincing argument, it just isn't enough to make me believe absolutely that God doesn't exist. To me, saying with absolute confidence, "There is no God," is only a lesser sin than saying with absolute confidence, "Accepting Jesus is the only way to avoid eternal damnation." I'm not a big fan of either. The problem is that no one seems to want to say, "I think God doesn't exist," or, "I think Jesus was the Messiah."

Second, in a recent article addressing the religious make up of America the general population was said to be "12% atheist/agnostic." To me that's like saying the population is 90% Christian/agnostic. I know a lot of people realize the difference between the two, but a large portion of the general population is so ignorant they don't realize there's a difference between a lack of a professed religion and atheism. That isn't atheists' fault, but it still annoys the hell out of me.