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It is unavoidable. Everyone (religious and non) makes judgment based on their own emotions whether they think so or not.
your just exaggerating. Saying I did that because I felt like doing it without paying attention to its coinseguences or the reason behind it, is really a silly excuses especially when it comes to serious matters. Not all religious people based their judgement on emotion (this will depend on the religion itself)
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My personal theory is people are not born good or evil. Your born trying to survive. As a baby, all you really need to worry about is food and safety. People truely turn "good" or "evil" when they are at a mature age mind. As a baby or child, they do many things they will not understand and often are like-minded having to listen to adults and anyone older.
When I said good, I didnt mean doing good as hero or such a thing but pure person who is a part of nature that doesnt know how to commit crimes or sins but people around him and enviroment will teach him sooner or later.
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I do not see how this topic is "bad". Its so far civilized. Its simply a clash of minds. We must not live in shadows anymore.
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ultimasome >>
You're understanding of "bad" is in the context that it isn't right to debate about.
Although, I meant "bad" meaning that this is a topic that really has no endpoint. If I was really had nothing to do, I could write 500 pages worth of viewpoints/standpoints/contradictions to this topic. This topic theoretically could go on forever; whereas, a real debate has an endpoint and in the end, generally, everyone would have agreed to a winning side.
ulty janiso T-T
I didn't mean "bad" literary but as I said before, its somehow unfair to those religious people. I, for example, post here and you might consider me as I'm supporting all religious people while I'm not. All what I said before was my point according to my religion.And this will end if one of the side talked in general without being stuborn or ending up saying their point of view. I believe everything has a reason behind it.
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I'm a pessimist... you sure you wanna know? haha.
yeah I still wanna know as long as your not religious. And if possible with details, please. _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
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Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 1:13 am Post subject:
du5ky wrote:
I'm a pessimist... you sure you wanna know? haha.
Yes, I wanna know too.
du5ky wrote:
"Against" here means you think they are logically, morally and/or ideally incorrect.
Yeah.
du5ky wrote:
"guy" and "fancy stuff" meaning any of the following: Prince Siddhartha Gautama recieving enlightment, Jesus got crucified and I forgot how Islam happened.
^^;
Still I dont understand. I dont know who this Prince Siddhartha. Plus, Jesus didnt got crucified.
du5ky wrote:
Of course I wanna know who my parents are... but what does this have to do with...?
You wanna know who your parents are and you dont wanna know who created you? Who's your God? Who's responsible for your existence? (did I spelled it right? ^^; )
du5ky wrote:
O.o
erm...
where?
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Look at the things that's around you, beside you, behind you, in front of you. I dont want to talk like I know everything. You need to know what you want to know and I'm sure you will know it once you have the will ^^
There are people who begin to search because they were looking. Nothing comes cheap ^^;
Anidzuki wrote:
ultimasome >>
You're understanding of "bad" is in the context that it isn't right to debate about.
Although, I meant "bad" meaning that this is a topic that really has no endpoint. If I was really had nothing to do, I could write 500 pages worth of viewpoints/standpoints/contradictions to this topic. This topic theoretically could go on forever; whereas, a real debate has an endpoint and in the end, generally, everyone would have agreed to a winning side.
When did I said something "Bad"? o___O
I think your confused. _________________ "Blogger"
mind asking what is the purpose of this life? why there is human being and all other things living on organized system? Whats the reason behind this life?
Yes, I wanna know too.
We dun have a purpose in life. We are a species of life form evolved from the apes which are also evolved from lesser species. We are a form of parasite feeding on energy of the planet due to the genetics thoughts of the WANT to survive, which wins the natural selection.
Therefore the reason behind this life is only due to natural selection. Our only purpose in life is controlled by the brain with it's most primitive instinct which is to survive and ourlast other species.
Organised systems are created by other living systems because genetic thoughts are passed on through eons and that which allows effective protects the species wins the natural selection. Human being more intelligent, created organised systems not only as the above reason, but also to control other species.
Hope you aren't horrified ^.^
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Still I dont understand. I dont know who this Prince Siddhartha. Plus, Jesus didnt got crucified.
Really??
The prince is the founder of Buddism. What I'm trying to say is that religion started with the founder doing something great to impress people.
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You wanna know who your parents are and you dont wanna know who created you? Who's your God? Who's responsible for your existence? (did I spelled it right? ^^; )
cuz I'm more likely to believe that I'm created through genetic evolution, and if traced back to the first organism, it was a amoeba that was created by chance.
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Look at the things that's around you, beside you, behind you, in front of you. I dont want to talk like I know everything. You need to know what you want to know and I'm sure you will know it once you have the will ^^
There are people who begin to search because they were looking. Nothing comes cheap ^^;
Haha, i think I'm just a lazy ignorant bastard, or I dun have a question that needs answering. I think it's the latter.
"Against" here means you think they are logically, morally and/or ideally incorrect.
Yeah.
Reminds me of "Your either with us or against us!"
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When I said good, I didnt mean doing good as hero or such a thing but pure person who is a part of nature that doesnt know how to commit crimes or sins but people around him and enviroment will teach him sooner or later.
I never meant that kind of good either. However newborns still just want to survive and will do what it takes. You'll see them reaching out for cookies soon. As young as six months old they can lie through fake cry to gain attention.
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When did I said something "Bad"? o___O
He must've meant line than you.
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your just exaggerating. Saying I did that because I felt like doing it without paying attention to its coinseguences or the reason behind it, is really a silly excuses especially when it comes to serious matters. Not all religious people based their judgement on emotion (this will depend on the religion itself)
Whether I tend to exaggerate or not, doesn't matter. People will always make claims and such saying they won't do but those outcast will only try their hypocrisy. People will always make judgment based on their emotions many times in their life. I didn't say all, I just said many.
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ts somehow unfair to those religious people. I, for example, post here and you might consider me as I'm supporting all religious people while I'm not. All what I said before was my point according to my religion.And this will end if one of the side talked in general without being stuborn or ending up saying their point of view. I believe everything has a reason behind it.
Nobody claims to speak for others, only for themselves. However you have made many direct general claims against Atheist. _________________
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Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2007 7:24 am Post subject:
du5ky wrote:
Hope you aren't horrified ^.^
No I am horrified. It doesnt get into my mind. No porpuse? And we are organized in one way. The earth and this univers is going into an organized way. If changed one bit everything will turn into chaos. You sure are thinking way so much different than me ^^;
du5ky wrote:
Really??
The prince is the founder of Buddism. What I'm trying to say is that religion started with the founder doing something great to impress people.
Maybe I should go look into this ^^;;; I sure am baka.
du5ky wrote:
cuz I'm more likely to believe that I'm created through genetic evolution, and if traced back to the first organism, it was a amoeba that was created by chance.
You cant say chance. You believe this all was created by chance and when I told you about that story you dont believe its chance. Weird.
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Well if I said that there are lots of woods beside me and when I stand in certen place, the woods gathered and made like a boat and took me to where I want and when I get out from it, it went back and seperated like it was before. I'm sure no one will believe me. But when I say this whole world and its creation has no created, some people will believe me and some wont. I think atheist are lying to believe the second story while not believing the first story. If you believe this world has no God (The one who created it) then believe that that boat was created without a creator (or is it creater ^^; )
du5ky wrote:
Haha, i think I'm just a lazy ignorant bastard, or I dun have a question that needs answering. I think it's the latter.
No one is ignorant. Dont say such harsh or bad things on yourself. Its just that if you have will you will get the answer. If you wanna pass school you need to study hard, ne? ^^
Ange>>>Dunno why I dont like the word "Against". _________________ "Blogger"
You cant say chance. You believe this all was created by chance and when I told you about that story you dont believe its chance. Weird.
Which story?
You're half right, i meant it all began from a chance, but not everything is created by chance... That existence is a chance, that evolution is fate and reproduction is a choice.
GaryTheOtakuJew>>>You will never know true religion is like unless you try to believe in one of them then you might know what I wanted to say.
*Facepalms*
I wouldn't be an atheist other wise. Try to understand my wording better. Hell I went to a Christian camp for a week, good times, people who are very accepting about my choice to be atheist, and my inherent belief, and feelings that religion isn't right for me. That's all I was trying to express, don't debate against me any longer.
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GaryTheOtakuJew> religion isn't a matter of taste.
Try reading my post next time buddy, I didn't even say that it was a matter of taste, it's either a) a choice to follow a set of beliefs, and guidelines or b) an inherent belief, of values, morals, choices, guidelines pass down from families. Both can apply. Jesus, if i knew I was going to debate with people, i would've never touched this topic. _________________ FagWreck
i don't understand....
you can be good and moral WITHOUT believing in a higher power. i have no problem with people who believe/don;t believe as long as they are decent human beings. what's the problem?
Joined: Jun 21, 2006 Posts: 5630 Location: Inside food!
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject:
du5ky>>>I posted it. Its what I wrote about that boat.
du5ky wrote:
That existence is a chance, that evolution is fate and reproduction is a choice.
The word "chance" doesnt exists from the beginning (for me) So I cant just say our extsitence is a chance and sit down. It doesnt get in my mind. If you tried to question yourself over everything, you'll get a hold and demand many answers.
GaryTheOtakuJew>>>You still dont get what I mean. Ah ok I wont debate against you.
jentech4>>>There isnt any problem. Mind asking you a question?
Would you deabte with people who are against marriage? I mean who dont want to marry because of no real reasons? _________________ "Blogger"
"The science of Genetics offers vivid evidence that chance could not be a factor in the process of creation due to the very precise combinations necessary in the building of cells. These requisite combinations defy all laws of probabilities."
"Evolutionists would have us believe that modern molecular biology lends its support to their world view, but the more information comes to hand, the more preposterous the whole idea of a naturalistic origin of life becomes."
And another link to this quote, this one is backed up with a little more scientific information.
We dun have a purpose in life. We are a species of life form evolved from the apes which are also evolved from lesser species. We are a form of parasite feeding on energy of the planet due to the genetics thoughts of the WANT to survive, which wins the natural selection.
Therefore the reason behind this life is only due to natural selection. Our only purpose in life is controlled by the brain with it's most primitive instinct which is to survive and ourlast other species.
Organised systems are created by other living systems because genetic thoughts are passed on through eons and that which allows effective protects the species wins the natural selection. Human being more intelligent, created organised systems not only as the above reason, but also to control other species.
Hope you aren't horrified ^.^
ok since human being is the best creature and they can survive using their mind so why there is death? if its a matter of surviving then why we have to face death sooner or later?why there is death from the start?
Beside I'm sure you have proves of what you said otherwise you didn't stick to this view while disaproving the exist of God so mind showing it/them?
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I never meant that kind of good either. However newborns still just want to survive and will do what it takes. You'll see them reaching out for cookies soon. As young as six months old they can lie through fake cry to gain attention.
lie through fake cry?! If they could speak, they would've done that without hesitation. Crying to gain attention isnt a lie for babies not adults who do it out of jealous or such a thing. Anyone demand something would do many ways to gain it and it can be done in good way or bad one. Children are known as truthsayer but as I said before, things around him affect him and might change him.
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Whether I tend to exaggerate or not, doesn't matter. People will always make claims and such saying they won't do but those outcast will only try their hypocrisy. People will always make judgment based on their emotions many times in their life. I didn't say all, I just said many
fine since you said many but some religious people are exception.
GaryTheOtakuJew wrote:
Try reading my post next time buddy, I didn't even say that it was a matter of taste, it's either a) a choice to follow a set of beliefs, and guidelines or b) an inherent belief, of values, morals, choices, guidelines pass down from families. Both can apply. Jesus, if i knew I was going to debate with people, i would've never touched this topic.
Use your mind for a bit. Of course I didnt copied that line from your posts and pasted it. Once you said that non of the religions are suitable for your life or something like that without giving the reason that make a sense, shows that your point is a matter of taste. Your life is no different than others.
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i don't understand....
you can be good and moral WITHOUT believing in a higher power. i have no problem with people who believe/don;t believe as long as they are decent human beings. what's the problem?
The problem is with some Atheists. They start saying religious people are hypocrisy and blah blah blah while they themeselves tell others that no one have the right to say atheists are immoral or judge them on bad things.
They disaprove religion point of view asking for proves while they believe on their thoughts without having the same proves, or any, as they ask for those religions' points.
jajajajaja07> I read the first link and its well said. I believe that there isn't any chances or coincedences in this world and I find that it can only remove the guilt feeling inside someone in some sides. I couldn't read the other link *sigh* net is down.
EDIT: one more thing, I was wondering, do atheist feel guilty when they commit sins between themselves without anyone watching him/her? why?
based on what or afraid of what? what makes you feel guilty or afraid since no one know or see you commiting it or even take any bad impression about you? _________________
Not all what you think is right is supposed to be right.
ok since human being is the best creature and they can survive using their mind so why there is death? if its a matter of surviving then why we have to face death sooner or later?why there is death from the start?
It's not like being the best means you are godlike (no reference to religion) you know?
Most if not all organism are made up of cell, and cells has something call telomeres, which shortens (through cell division and replacement) during aging. When these cells cannot reproduce anymore, the organ, therefore the man dies...
lino wrote:
Beside I'm sure you have proves of what you said otherwise you didn't stick to this view while disaproving the exist of God so mind showing it/them?
I don't have any sources with me now, because I thought it's more like common knowledge... I can find them easily, but I'm lazy... but then, are you sure you don't know about cell division and natural selection/ evolution of organism?
lino wrote:
one more thing, I was wondering, do atheist feel guilty when they commit sins between themselves without anyone watching him/her? why?
based on what or afraid of what? what makes you feel guilty or afraid since no one know or see you commiting it or even take any bad impression about you?
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