Naruto!

GaaRaSRiVaL · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: Naruto!

Is it just me, or is it seem that animes/mangas like naruto or bleach, that are very popular seem to be taboo to converse about among the anime "gurus". Everytime I read a post and someone mentions Naruto or Bleach people tend to insult the individual and the anime/manga. I understand that it might not be everyones taste, but why so much disgust and hate towards them? I am just curious, I imagine there may be a few who will insult me for writing about this, or may refrain to keep from proving me right.

PsiKro · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Dec 10, 2006 Posts: 86

I don't really know as I'm no anime 'guru' =P. But I would suppose that because they can be considered overrated. They're good to an extent yes, but I suppose to someone who's watched years of anime, they aren't anything special, and yet people constantly talk about them, so it must get annoying. I personally really like Bleach and Naruto, but I have to admit the plot is quite straightforward and the story is pretty predictable in most aspects. This, accompanied with stereotypical characters, probably just cause longtime anime fans to groan when kids start talking about how cool Naruto is.

xenocrisis0153 · Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:16 pm Post subject:

red255 · Jikan Samurai Joined: Mar 13, 2007 Posts: 923

the short answer is after a certain number of episode the series just start repeating themselves. with minor imagination.

and also they aren't worth ... well every 26 episodes the series drags on you could've watched something else.... and something better.

Really Naruto after Rasegan was developed has produced nothing unpredicatable or remotely interested.

Bleach's current arc is pretty much a repeat of a previous arc with different names, and different boobs and swords

GaaRaSRiVaL · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:06 pm Post subject:

Well I am glad to hear some insight on the reason for the dislike. Even though I like bleach I believe it should of ended around aizen and not drag on. I believe that Naruto is a really good story and has a lot of history to be explained, even though some plots seem to be transparent, there still is some good writing to the story. Although I admit there are some better animes out there like death note and black lagoon. I see why people like those animes.

So it would seem that the dislike and aggression toward the anime and the people that like them, is not towards them, but like anything that is popular, is focused on the annoyance and the lack of acknowledgment of other great animes?

xenocrisis0153 · Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 11:01 pm Post subject:

Xristyan · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:04 am Post subject:

i got no real qualms with naruto nor bleach... and some fans are not that bad since they have moderation and actually have some good insights with regards to the said titles...
its the bleachtards and narutards that tick people off...
they go about doing what xeno mentioned with their.. this rulz and FTWs without realizing that its just a mediocre type of anime compared with other great works out there that don't drag on as long as they do...
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GaaRaSRiVaL · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:42 pm Post subject:

i am starting to notice a lot of people dont like animes that go on for a bit. usually any that break 26 or 52 episodes. I am sure that they would like them, if they were not annoyed by how they are able to determine what is going to happen next, or repeat arcs. I just hate fillers, dear god i hate fillers.

Faraz · A-Source Staff Joined: May 29, 2007 Posts: 343

There's no problem with an anime if it goes beyond 26 or 52 episodes (like Death Note, Monster, Ghost in the Shell, School Rumble and many more) as long as the story is not artificially stretched and the new episodes actually have something good and new to offer.

It's when the producers prolong a series by having two characters stare at eachother and act like they're taking a dump for three episodes at a time that people start getting pissed and drop the series.

I can never forget the death of the 3rd Hokage. Those two were pulling on that freaking sword and having the exact same conversion for like four episodes. Rolling Eyes

GaaRaSRiVaL · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:

heheh. That is very true. Though when I watch animes that are based on mangas I know they tend to prolong certain events to try and add more episodes, possibly for profit and for the manga. Sometimes that adds a certain feel to the situation. The only thing that comes to mind when speaking of characters staring is Dragonball and Bleach. Though I do believe Bleach is a copy of Dragonballs theme. They do have that similar staring that is annoying.

eisenmeteor · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:59 pm Post subject:

Not sure if I should call myself a veteran or guru though I've watched my share of anime. Personally I'd say I like Bleach and Naruto sure they're not the best out there but it's not bad either. I'd say in my taste there's alot of anime that's not as good as those titles. At least they have a concrete story in comparison to all the harem animes there are. (Yes I've developed a hate for harem anime). Also the characters are at least more interesting than characters from well again harem anime, not always but 90% of the time that holds true in my opinion. Or those series that are built around fan service, that's also way worse off than Bleach and Naruto and boy there are alot of anime that are like those.

Anyway yeah good points about the series is that they bring in more people. Sure all those that go "Naruto/Bleach rules" are annoying but it's a doorway for them. Afterwards they probably check around for other animes that are good and hit older main stream anime like Full Metal Alchemist for example. I know people that started out with Bleach and asked me about other good series that would be good to watch. So in my opinion "veterans" should have more patience, no point in giving people hell over it or are we in anime community's really just that none understanding? We all start somewhere after all and there are loads of different ways to talk to them than giving grief. Though I'll admit to the fact that I've not always been the nicest to people. And yes there are people that are plain annoying no matter how you treat them.

For me it's not that people miss other series that deserve attention but after you've been around for some time the same statement gets really really boring and annoying. Discuss the anime is good but people making threads etc just to say it's good is freakin annoying. But yeah it can get annoying when they go and say "I found this great anime, have you heard about Naruto?" they can't help it if they don't know much but in a way it's still kinda insulting.

GaaRaSRiVaL · Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:

heheh. That is very true. Though when I watch animes that are based on mangas I know they tend to prolong certain events to try and add more episodes, possibly for profit and for the manga. Sometimes that adds a certain feel to the situation. The only thing that comes to mind when speaking of characters staring is Dragonball and Bleach. Though I do believe Bleach is a copy of Dragonballs theme. They do have that similar staring that is annoying.

PsiKro · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Dec 10, 2006 Posts: 86

1 thing I really like about long anime like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece etc, however, is that although it gets repetitive, you really become attached to the characters. This really makes future episodes become tense no matter how lame they are if one of your favorite characters is on the verge of death, because after seeing 300 episodes of them, you just don't want them to die.

xenocrisis0153 · Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:

Angel_Armz · Rosen Ritter~ Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 10983

Hype, hype, hype. Don't let it get to you. Although I know this has been said before but I like to say don't let the hype get to you. Its nice to get recommendation from people on what anime to watch but be weary of tards (like naruto and bleach) who says this and that is l33t for the sake of it. And try not to let people over exaggerate how good an anime is even if they give so many good reason. You'll expect too much and in the end, feel disappointed. Admit it, we're all somewhat guilty of over exaggerating things we like/love.

About people complaining cliche, that is somewhat unavoidable. It doesn't make an anime bad or unoriginal. Just let go and enjoy. However there are some that overly uses it to the point where viewers just can't stand it. Notable in long running shounen series like DBZ where its like good guy vs. bad guy, bad guy wins, good guy trains and gets stronger, fight again, good guy wins, new villain appears, repeat.