School shootings

[mangaddict_reborn]

With Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois, I wonder if this calls for moving up the legal age of owning a fire arm.

[leoxjm]

Related thread here I still think the topic is different enough to keep this open, at least for a while, but bear in mind the other one as well.

Anyway, I don;t think that the solution lies in moving legal age requirements up, since I don't think the problem is young people owning guns; it's stupid people getting access to them. How are you going to regulate that? It doesn't matter how far up you move the legal age if a kid can just steal his dad's gun anyway. Just as effective, and even cheaper than buying.

Moving up the legal age requirement to prevent school shooting would be as effective as selling fans as a permanent solution to global warming.
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[07cbdj]

It shouldn't be legal at all. Especially not in the USA.

But as leoxjm said it wouldn't solve anything.
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[Xristyan]

I don't think there will be any point in putting up the legal age for gun ownership... the ones that want to shoot will always be able to access them...

the source of the problem isn't the gun... its the person... and the environment that shaped him to be the killer that he is...
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[KaRei]

I agree that moving the line up won't solve whole the problem. But I think it will help somehow. Not everybody from those that are owning a gun and uses it in school will search for a gun elsewhere just to do it. Not all, but some cases happened just because some "idiot" had his own gun at home and he took it with him to school. Some of the people would be simply too lazy to get the gun in some more difficult way. Sometimes it's just a hot-head that would calm down if it won't get to the gun immediately (or the day after).

Second thing is the gun of parents. In my case, I absolutely have no idea whether my father has a gun or not (and he was in military) and I have no idea where he could be hiding it if he has some. If some child knows that his parent has a gun and it even knows where, then the parents did a HUGE mistake and they should pay for that as well. Some punishment for allowing access to the gun to 3rd person or something like that.

So once again, I think that moving the line up will help at least a bit. If it helps to reduce killing at least by 1 person per year, then it's good. We must start somewhere, don't we?
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[Sonozaki]

[phalseprofet]

I guess I'm on the fence with this one.

The right to bear arms was established during frontier times to facilitate two things:

-hunting

-militia

Hunting is self-explanatory, but what a lot of people don't seem to realize is that in the early days of the Western expansion of the former colonies, the newborn United states didn't have the means to protect itself from the natives or competing nations seeking to appropriate that area into their own colonial bodies. Basically, the army of the USA was originated in this ideal. A number of militias would each over see a particular jurisdiction of the colonial states and facilitate expansion to the west and the south.

After the formal establishment of the US Army, the militias and this right to bear arms continue to exist, though to a much lesser degree than before.

That being said, I disagree with guns in these modern times wholeheartedly unless they are being used for war or hunting. Civilians shouldn't have to worry about arming themselves to go to the grocery store or take a nap because a few bad apples wanna put holes in stuff with a semi-automatic boomstick.

I think the question you are posing is a moot point, only because guns are readily available through the black market anyway.
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[KaRei]

[mstice]

There are a myriad of problems facing gun control both domestically and abroad. I am the first to admit, however, that the US faces more and greater problems in this area than almost any other modernized nation. There are two main problems, though:

1) The guns are already out there. The US has one of the highest per capita gun ownership rates in the world, and given our population probably has the greatest stockpile of non-military weapons in the world. Being younger than 18 didn’t stop multiple high school students from acquiring guns and going on shooting sprees. They got their firearms elsewhere, likely stolen from parents or the parents of friends. Even underage gang members and convicted felons can buy guns on the black market (aka from anyone willing to sell a firearm illegally to someone).

2) Gun rights are the 2nd amendment in the Constitution. The order may seem like a detail, but that certainly isn’t true when it comes to lobbying and popular opinion. It isn’t quite the same as the 18th amendment (prohibition) which was so quickly thrown out the window. The argument that the right to bear arms was so important to the founding fathers that they felt it should be second only to freedom of religion and speech sounds pretty powerful. It really doesn’t matter that it was written by rebels who had only just overthrown what they saw as a despotic and tyrannical government.

Of course, even if you managed to amend the Constitution and outlaw firearms, which is essentially impossible, you’d still have to deal with the first problem. The real truth of the matter is that these random (and albeit tragic) school shootings aren’t the bulk of gun related homicides in the US. Innocent victims caught in the crossfire of gang wars, victims of robbery, and other lives caught for whatever reason in the intentionally misused gunfire across the US far outnumber those killed in these “high profile� slayings. What seems especially ironic to me is the fact that the vast majority of gun related homicides in the US are caused by handguns, which you have to be 21 to purchase, while the serial killings that far too frequently monopolize the airwaves are caused almost entirely by long guns (aka rifles). And that doesn’t pertain to just campus shootings, but the Beltway Sniper, the infamous Austin, Texas massacre precipitated by a former US Marine, and several other incidents involving shooters well within the age limit to own any type of firearm.

What I’m trying to get at here is that the problem of gun violence in the US doesn’t have some simple solution like raising the minimum age to own a firearm. The issue is too large and too complex to be solved with such trivial measures. The truth is that I, like everyone else who has real concerns about the topic, know that any solution will be both gradual and difficult. A decrease in firearm related homicide will have to be the result of a nationwide sentiment and movement, not some quick fix piece of legislature.

Anyway, that’s all I have to say.

[dman32]

wats goin on people

u know the guns topic have been also a problem for them , and they are trying to find the SOU but they can't bannnnnned it cuz people will argue which i consider Stupid because they don't know what they are saying or want to

[Destiny81]

in my country to obtain license for gun, u must have a court letter n also a letter of permission from the police if u are in need of a gun........

about all this shooting, it very clear that the authorities in USA or Canada.....did not do enough in educating the young citizens mind, youngster are tend to be so high when they got hold a gun...........

n also recently there is a case where few kids as young as 7 years to 8 years plotting to hold their school teachers as hostage just becoz she corrected them......

disciplinary action alone is not enough, counseling is a must for troubled student, n the school compound can be entered easily by anyone, as there is no guards guarding the front school entrance to inside school areas..........

parents are also not doing enough, nowday parent just work n work neglecting their children problems until it too late for them to notice it.
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[Destiny81]

[Fission2]

take a lesson from our favorite country: japan.

least amount of crime in the world, most probably because most of the crimes go unreported. banning guns or raising the age limit will result in people finding creative solutions. firearms are still an issue in japan despite the prohibitions because of smuggling. murder by melee means (knives, swords, etc.) replace firearms. there was a random stabbing incident a few weeks back although they're really hush hush about senseless violence over there.

what i don't understand is why there are all these run-of-the-mill hack jobs when you're committing domestic mass murder. there are many more efficient methods of causing destruction, especially when you're suicidal. i'd post the methods, but...they're fairly realistic and easy to execute.

it's not gun laws that you have to watch out for, it's solving the bigger problem so that gun control isn't unnecessary.

[Kaspar]

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