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Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:53 am Post subject:
So far let me just summarise what those who have finished watching the Gantz anime have said
Yebyosh: "Piece of crap"
AlDim: "A product with good ideas, just terribly hurt by the terrible ending and flaws you usually find in other 99% of manga adapted animes."
( Is that accurate, AlDim? )
Eh... ? For your information, I have watched the whole series when I posted that review. I am comdemning the show as a whole now. Your rebuttal was however only fighting back with partial information on what I was poking at. Hence it is insufficient to address the faults I sounded out. If you had rebutted me at the time I was expressing dis-satisfaction with episode 19 and the direction the show was taking, your rebuttal would have been more appropriate.
Right, I guess you didn't start bitching on page 6 of this thread before you "finished up the series and wrote your review as well".
And if your review is going to talk about things that I've already watched then why is it exactly that my rebuttals are inappropriate? Do you see me telling you that the ending was amazing and that you're wrong for thinking otherwise or do you see me talking about the points that I HAVE seen and that you were bashing? Spare me your "I've finished the series so my opinion is superior" talk Yeb, THAT is what's inappropriate here.
AlDim: "A product with good ideas, just terribly hurt by the terrible ending and flaws you usually find in other 99% of manga adapted animes."
( Is that accurate, AlDim? )
I don't recall saying that it was "terribly hurt" I said that the mediocrity of the show didn't hurt the manga's essence much, which is what mattered to me when I watched it. And I don't really care much about cut endings since I can always switch to the original mangas.
Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 2:00 pm Post subject:
AngelKing wrote:
Right, I guess you didn't start bitching on page 6 of this thread before you "finished up the series and wrote your review as well".
And if your review is going to talk about things that I've already watched then why is it exactly that my rebuttals are inappropriate? Do you see me telling you that the ending was amazing and that you're wrong for thinking otherwise or do you see me talking about the points that I HAVE seen and that you were bashing? Spare me your "I've finished the series so my opinion is superior" talk Yeb, THAT is what's inappropriate here.
The gist of the history of my posts
At Episode 17:
- This series is starting to get into the shits.
At Epsiodes 21-24:
- This is it... it really sucked. What the hell were they thinking? I am really, really disappointed. Heck, it is very, very likely going to suck.
So what I was criticising was still the direction the series was going then. So if you dislike what they have done at that moment, are you going to say "well... but wonderful series, marvelous. I love it." all the way? If I had intended to comdemn the show for certainty at that point, I would have straight off written a review there and then or even drop it together without consideration for what it could have been worth or added with the future episodes.
Your tone however came in as something like "I care not what you think, even if I have not seen everything, the whole series is great!!!", disregarding what I saw in the final portions of the show. Reference (the following was posted by you after I clearly stated I have finished watching the series and had posted my review for quite some time) :
AngelKing wrote:
I read the manga and I've watched up to episode 20 and besides the show being dragged out a bit, you really have no grounds to bitch on. Maybe you should reread the manga because you’re really giving people a false impression on the difference between the two.
By this post and with respect to the timing, you have said that my views on ~the second stage~ series as a whole ( 14 - 26 ) are baseless, with your views that the whole series is great just based on ( 14 - 20 )?
That is why I advised you to reconsider that statement.
Yebyosh wrote:
Regarding the bad points of the plot, it would be advisable to watch episodes 21 to 26 before commenting on whether my judgement is baseless or not.
My view on this series carry the same weightage as anyone on this forum. Like I already said, I look forward to the reviews of those who finished the series with a high satisfaction so that I can see a different perspective on this show. This applies to any reviews coming off this series.
AlDim wrote:
I don't recall saying that it was "terribly hurt" Smile I said that the mediocrity of the show didn't hurt the manga's essence much, which is what mattered to me when I watched it. And I don't really care much about cut endings since I can always switch to the original mangas.
Ah, okay... so you just mean "mediocre show" then? How about writing a review soon when you feel up to it? Take the heat off of me, man ( or at least give another alternative view to this up there )
I do have to disagree on the 'cut endings' comment though. If this is the case, then what is the whole point of watching the anime. The anime's story consists of the whole series throughout. 'Cutting' out the ending is akin to selectively picking out what is good of the series, leaving out the bad things, then judging the series based on what is good. The imagery from that would be a glowing distorted version without the essence of the anime, right?
By this post and with respect to the timing, you have said that my views on ~the second stage~ series as a whole ( 14 - 26 ) are baseless, with your views that the whole series is great just based on ( 14 - 20 )?
I'm sorry, I assumed by saying that I've watched the series up to episode 20 you would understand that I'm attacking your criticism on the events that occurred during those episodes. I'll be sure to write everything out next time.
Quote:
Your tone however came in as something like "I care not what you think, even if I have not seen everything, the whole series is great!!!", disregarding what I saw in the final portions of the show. Reference (the following was posted by you after I clearly stated I have finished watching the series and had posted my review for quite some time) :
Refer to the comment above.
Quote:
So what I was criticising was still the direction the series was going then. So if you dislike what they have done at that moment, are you going to say "well... but wonderful series, marvelous. I love it." all the way? If I had intended to comdemn the show for certainty at that point, I would have straight off written a review there and then or even drop it together without consideration for what it could have been worth or added with the future episodes.
I fail to see the point of what you wrote here. How does this relate to something I've said? You started complaining about the show before it finished and I've started saying that the extent of your complaints is fairly baseless. The I saw your review where you complained about the points that I have seen and commented on those.
And if were going to talk about tones here, this is what yours looks like: "Well I finished this series and you didn't so don't argue with me about anything before you finish it too".
If this is the case, then what is the whole point of watching the anime.
None really It's just what I got my hands on first.
I usually prefer to watch the animes first since then I can get another round of thrills from reading the same story (and its continuation).
It doesn't work the other way around because I rarely feel like watching the subpar anime adaptarions of mangas I've already read. The only exception I can think of is Beck - I read all of the manga and I'm so addicted to it that I just need something (even if it's an 'uh-ok' anime adaptation) to ease my pain until the next volume comes out
Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2004 10:34 pm Post subject:
AngelKing wrote:
I'm sorry, I assumed by saying that I've watched the series up to episode 20 you would understand that I'm attacking your criticism on the events that occurred during those episodes. I'll be sure to write everything out next time.
Alrighty then, so what we have here is a simple misunderstanding of each other's intent. I do know and accept that quite a number of posters disagree with me on Gantz ~the first stage~ and my comments on at the episode 17 and 21-24 stages. Look what they have wrote
AngelKing wrote:
I fail to see the point of what you wrote here. How does this relate to something I've said? You started complaining about the show before it finished and I've started saying that the extent of your complaints is fairly baseless. The I saw your review where you complained about the points that I have seen and commented on those.
Unfortunately, your comments were seemingly pointed at another reference ( the series as a whole ) rather than specifically at the segments you were defending ( see above ). Our subsequent exchange is the result of a misunderstanding.
AngelKing wrote:
And if were going to talk about tones here, this is what yours looks like: "Well I finished this series and you didn't so don't argue with me about anything before you finish it too".
I apologise if that seemed to be the tone. I can assure you that it was never that. The tone of what I was trying to say was "What I am talking about is episodes 14-26, why are you judging my views just from episodes 14-20? Please watch episodes 21-26 and let us continue the discussion then."
A result of a misunderstanding between us and my bad "analogy" skills. Hey, look at what I brought out to try to show AlDim why S7 had to be adapted ( Evangelion, in the S7 thread ) and my terrible poem ( see above )
AlDim wrote:
I usually prefer to watch the animes first since then I can get another round of thrills from reading the same story (and its continuation).
Okay, so basically you usually watch the anime and if you found it interesting, you pick up the manga. So the whole thing for Gantz the anime was a tryout for Gantz the manga then?
Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:42 pm Post subject: Gantz R1 DVDs
Posted on AnimeNation News as of Tue 12.14.2004 10:45 AM
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Updated Details on Upcoming AD Vision DVD Releases
AD Vision has officially confirmed, via retail print solicitation, that the American release of Gantz will be the Japanese home video version that includes graphic nudity, sex and violence censored from the Japanese television broadcast of the show's first season. Furthermore, AD Vision has confirmed that the 26 episode series will be released domestically on 13 DVDs containing two episodes each.
Note: The price per episode for this 2 episodes per DVD is still the same as the price per episode for a regular 3 ( or 4 ) episodes per DVD release.
There is talk on AnimeonDVD boards that this release was one of the terms for the license imposed by Gonzo. The Japanese R2 release of Gantz is 2 episodes per DVD.
I've read quite a bit of the manga (up to part 150 or so), and so far it doesn't feel like it's getting old. Despite the gratuitousness of the gore and nudity, there seems to be genuine character and plot development going on and despite the habit of action scenes taking many, many issues to resolve, I always find myself eager to find out what happens next.
A word of warning to those who haven't read/seen that far yet: the creator does not shy away from killing off characters. Don't get too attatched to anyone.
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I said that the mediocrity of the show didn't hurt the manga's essence much, which is what mattered to me when I watched it. And I don't really care much about cut endings since I can always switch to the original mangas.
