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KsOnFk- who called you to kill all your classmate?? he just say killng the class mate he hated.... if kill all the classmate will you be willing to kill your best pals??=.="
Joined: Mar 14, 2005 Posts: 129 Location: Singapore
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 8:45 am Post subject:
I thought those for the usage of the deathnote mostly agreed that it should be used only to kill off major criminals that are causing a lot of trouble and disrupting the order in the world?
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 1042 Location: USA....dammit
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject:
Span_Argoman wrote:
I thought those for the usage of the deathnote mostly agreed that it should be used only to kill off major criminals that are causing a lot of trouble and disrupting the order in the world?
by killing the criminals, u are disrupting the order of the world
Joined: Nov 12, 2004 Posts: 3468 Location: Cocytus
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject:
the_underdog wrote:
by killing the criminals, u are disrupting the order of the world
i don't think the world needs more criminals...
However, i agree with underdog. Normally, the law gives criminal a chance to redeem since it's their human rights. Raito just kills them off without giving them a chance to redeem themselves. _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine.
small criminal raito kill them without thinking is unfrogivable, but for some criminal that engage in drug activities and mudering, they are sentence to death.
Joined: Mar 14, 2005 Posts: 129 Location: Singapore
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:33 am Post subject:
the_underdog wrote:
Span_Argoman wrote:
I thought those for the usage of the deathnote mostly agreed that it should be used only to kill off major criminals that are causing a lot of trouble and disrupting the order in the world?
by killing the criminals, u are disrupting the order of the world
How so? If the law is going to sentence them to the death penalty anyway, we might as well stop them earlier on before they can do more harm.
maybe, but when they are in court they might sometime escape form death sentence... but maybe they are inocent and just being reported in the news as a wanted criminal... and after you kill him the news found new evidence and say he is not inocent aren't that would be bad?
example- raito onli kill criminal by watching trough Tv and not by really doing the reserch hiself.... some people may put the criminla as them on the TV, but after being qurreal at court they can be prove inocent right??
Agreed. Some people are put in jail on false convictions or have been framed. If I had a Death Note I would destroy it because, let's face it - I'm not that kind of a person.
If I had the power I would be biased and corrputed with power. It's better to destroy it. Little temptations are one thing.. but this...
Honestly, look at the problem from a less biased and more objective standpoint. So far most speaking out for or against the use off the Death Note have done so either foolishly or hastily, without distancing themselves from the microsopic viewpoints of their individual lives.
Point 1 - Killing is Evil
With this statement I most certainly agree. The act of killing another human being is an abominable act that should be avoided whenever possible and punished whenever encountered. However, to kill murderers, rapist, terrorists etc. that have been proven as such but have not yet been caught or have been caught and convicted with overwhelming evidence is an act that ends a possible continuation of evil. Through this evil more evil is prevented and the world is thereby made a better place.
Point 2 - Killing a Killer makes you just as bad as the Killer
This statement is close to the truth, but lacks a macroscopic view of the evionment in which you are living in. Killers, in the most general scenario, kill inocents who have done nohing wrong and would've brought no great evil into the world. By killing an innocent you only increase the evil present within our world by decreasing the good. One who kills Killers, as stated above, lessens the evil in the world by ending other evils. So, by killing a Killer you become evil to some degree, but your evil prevents greater evils from taking place.
Point 3 - Having a Death Note will corrupt you.
This statement holds true for most people. As stated by Raitosan in his analysis of the possible age of Kira, an immature mind will either use the Death Note foolishly or be too afraid to weild it while an elder would use it for selfish personal gain. To use the Death Note properly it would take not only a dedicated idealist, but a strong willed individual who could carry out the persecution of the guilty.
As a side note we still do not know the exact side effects of using a Death Note, only that when the user dies he(she) will go to neither Heaven nor Hell. This leads me to believe that the user becomes another Shimigami, but that is just my own guess.
As for what I would do if I were to come upon a Death Note, I would try to rid the world of all of the criminals I could. However, I would carry on my objectives in a more subtle manner than Raitosan. While his quest to forcefully change the world is noble, I do not have the resources to avoid detection that Raitosan does. I would develope a list of common causes of death and use a random number generator to select deaths without forming a definable pattern. Leaders of crime cyndicates and terrorist organizations would receive special treatment. These individuals would first attain all pertenant data to their plans, codes, and layouts and then display it publicly across the net before commiting suicide in a fitting gruesome manner publicly. In this way not only would they be brought to justice, but the rings that they had built would collapse around them. Some may think me twisted for my ideas and beliefs, but through this kind of action more people would experience peace and happiness which is so lacking in our world.
Sorry for the long post, but after reading through the subject I had to respond.
Joined: Mar 13, 2005 Posts: 1042 Location: USA....dammit
Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject:
Lucius-
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However, to kill murderers, rapist, terrorists etc. that have been proven as such but have not yet been caught or have been caught and convicted with overwhelming evidence is an act that ends a possible continuation of evil. Through this evil more evil is prevented and the world is thereby made a better place.
as the saying goes "2 wrongs don't make a right." the naive view that the world can be made a better place by killing off criminals is nothing more than a fantasy.
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One who kills Killers, as stated above, lessens the evil in the world by ending other evils. So, by killing a Killer you become evil to some degree, but your evil prevents greater evils from taking place.
u would become a killer urself. If u pass judgement on others, dont u think someone might pass judgement on u? If that happens, what's to stop someone from passing judgement on them? And the next person as well? soon the world is caught up in an endless ring of murders, with the better place u mentioned being nowhere in sight.
ur evil takes the place of the evil that has been destroyed, making ur attempts at creating a better place without evil futile.
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While his quest to forcefully change the world is noble, I do not have the resources to avoid detection that Raitosan does.
I believe that you have chosen your words hastily....
noble -adj 1: having high moral qualities; "a noble spirit"; "a solid citizen"; "an upstanding man"; "a worthy successor"
2. Having or showing qualities of high moral character, such as courage, generosity, or honor: a noble spirit.
3.Proceeding from or indicative of such a character; showing magnanimity: “What poor an instrument/May do a noble deed!” (Shakespeare).
these definitions are from [url] http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=noble[/url] go ahead and look if u want to check them. [/quote]
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