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I must apologize for not answering this for ages, due to me having a one week vacation in New Zealand (which was crap because the weather was damn cold... it was supposed to be summer ..I want my money back so I can buy anime instead *lol* j/k)
Anyways, as my brain is not functioning very well at the moment, I'll talk about Destiny's nature as an irony by quoting my review I submitted on the review page instead.. (what a lazy person I am). I gave this show a 9/10 which is a very high rating from me...(I believe that no anime is perfect. Thus, a rating of 10/10 is something I still have yet to find). Important parts are highlighted in bold.
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While Gundam Seed excels in portraying the various aspects of human nature, Gundam Seed Destiny brilliantly excels in the politics. Taking an extremely daring decision to step out of the usual Gundam territory, Destiny will either disappoint viewers who expect it to be another brainless action-packed Gundam flick or be regarded as an outstanding political anime by viewers whose expectation is otherwise. As a viewer who expects a good story over mindless mecha battles any day, I invariably belong to the latter category. As a result, I am fortunate to enjoy Destiny the way it is meant to be : an excellent political irony in finest form.
Observe the meaning of its title. What is Seed ? What is destiny ? If you have seen Seed, you will remember that President Uzumi has said that he refers people who believe in his ideology as his 'seed'. Though one day he will pass away, but his seeds will grow. These people will pass on his beliefs to the next generation. Gundam Seed Destiny is also about destiny. Who is in charge of one's destiny ? What do you want to do ? Who do you want to be ? What would you do to achieve your goal ? Do you believe that you are doing the right thing ? And finally, if you suddenly realize that you are in the wrong side, would you dare to give up everything you have accumulated and step out of it, or you will persevere in order to retain what you have gained and be ready for the consequences ?
Although starting out as a normal mecha anime, Destiny reveals its true nature as a political irony in episode nine. Instead of focusing on the heroes, Destiny brings the villain into the spotlight. No, it's not Kira who is the main character. It's not Athrun or even Shinn. It's President Dullindal of Zaft who is a major character in Destiny. Seemingly understanding and kind-hearted, Dullindal could persuade his whole nation to believe that his ideology is righteous. One great scene to show his personality is the scene when Dullindal persuaded Athrun to be on his side. He listened to Athrun's opinion and pretended that he agreed with everything Athrun said. Afterwards, he made Athrun a 'Faith' member, telling him that he believed Athrun will use this position to do what he deems right. Though Athrun became an elite, he also automatically became a member of Zaft army. In short, Dullindal turned his potential enemy to become a person under his control. And if Athrun decides to betray him, Dullindal will be the first person to know and will get rid of Athrun before he can make any move.
Though Dullindal knew that he is the most powerful man, but he also realized that the hearts of his people still belong to the former princess of Zaft, Lacus. Wanting to convince his people to believe in his actions, Meer Campbell became another victim of his malicious scheme. Borned with a dream to become a famous singer, Meer wished day in and day out to become a superstar. Thus, when Dullindal approached Meer and asked her to 'sing for the world's peace', it is like her dream comes true. Not knowing Dullindal's true intention, Meer sings her heart out to the whole world, believing that she is a symbol of peace. One of the best scenes in Destiny is the scene when Meer realized that she is in a wrong side and the character who was about to escape from Zaft asked her to go with him. That event is a big shock for Meer and she is left to a difficult dilemma : What would she choose ? To continue being in a wrong side to retain the stardom she has dreamed for all her life, or leave everything behind and go back to become a nobody ? Obviously, Meer made a wrong decision, but I completely understand her. And I'm sure that had I been in the same situation with her, I would have done the same.
Shinn Asuka is another immensely interesting character and his development is unquestionably the most profound in the series. Having lost his entire family in war, Shinn joined the army wishing to fight for peace. Stubborn, egoistic, and downright credulous, Shinn ended up becoming Dullindal's major victim who got manipulated by Rey and Dullindal to pilot the Mobile Suit, believing that he is fighting for peace. The event of Eunius Seven, Heine's incident, and most importantly, Stella's incident, blindfolded him to figure out who is right and who is wrong. Praised by his colleagues for his piloting abilities, Shinn's ego skyrocketed and he stopped listening to anyone but Rey and Dullindal. Therefore, by the time he realized and regretted that he is in the wrong, it was too late. Though I understand him, but I have no sympathy whatsoever for his fate. Stubborn people learn their lessons the hard way, so to speak.
The final battle of Destiny may seem unconvincing for some people who find it unsuitable to have that character being the person who resolved the event. If Destiny is not an irony, I would also be complaining about that event like I have complained about how the final battle in Escaflowne : Girl in Gaea Movie was resolved. But because Destiny is an irony, it is most appropriate for that character to make such attempt because he is the biggest victim of the whole scheme. Having him realized and regretted his actions, then proceeding to resolve the event that way is the most reasonable resolution for an ironic story.
It is seldom that I agree with the opinions of Japanese audiences. When I heard that Onegai Twins and Nadesico are both outrageously popular in Japan, I was rolling my eyes in disbelief. However, when I heard that Destiny is rated #1 in Japan at the moment, I couldn't agree more. It's understandable that audiences outside Japan who got exposed to mecha from crap such as Gundam Wing would label Destiny as 'boring'. Take the word 'Gundam' out of its title, Destiny will immediately lose 80% of its non-Japanese audiences. But at the same time, it would immediately be regarded as the 'best political anime of the year'. Off compared this with other great titles of 2004, only Monster and Zipang are of similar standard in terms of story. But if one also takes animation and music into account, Destiny is unrivalled. Mobile Suit Gundam Seed Destiny is unquestionably the most prestigious addition to the Gundam Dynasty and, in my opinion, it is definitely one of the best political anime ever created.
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Unlike other excellent anime which I rated at 8.0 and above, I am actually very reluctant to recommend Gundam Seed Destiny. No, I am not reluctant because this anime is not good. In my opinion, this is an outstanding anime, but I am reluctant to recommend because viewers are likely to expect that Destiny will be another brainless mecha anime like other Gundam series, and they will be disappointed. People who expect to see Kira and Athrun in the spotlight will not like Destiny, and people who think that Shinn is a hero will hate this anime once they finished the 37th episode. My highest recommendation goes to people who like Gundam Seed for its politics (not because of the action scenes, for god's sake =p) or people who want a gateway anime to those niche political anime such as Zipang. Forget the fact that this is Gundam. Instead, expect this show to be a political irony, and the brilliance of Gundam Seed Destiny will truly shine.
And about my comments about Gundam Wing (which I think it is a below average series, here is my review ) I gave this a 5/10, which is below average, but still not shit. (If any anime is shit, I'll rate it at 1-4 such as Dragon Ball Z for example *lol*)
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I remembered myself studying about the stupidity of Lord Chamberlain and his idiotic 'total pacifism' ideology in my history class and thought to myself, 'Gee, what a dumbass.' To my surprise, Gundam Wing takes this moronic ideal to the new level of stupidity. Oh yes, Wing is downright retarded. I mean, when I saw those five Gundam pilots pose and pout in an opening theme video, I could guess that Wing is gonna be stupid. When I saw General Treize giving military commands in his bathtub, I immediately knew that this anime is going to be full of shit. Like Gantz, Gundam Wing made me laughed so hard despite the fact that it's not a comedy. Indeed, I was cracking up with this anime's moronic politics, idiotic philosophies, and its oh-so-brainless characters.
Though Wing wanted to pass on the message of 'there is no right or wrong side in war' and 'no one is absolutely good or evil' to its viewers, the result was laughable. Instead of showing the perspectives of characters from both sides like Gundam Seed, Wing made its characters become 'neither good or evil' by making them swapping sides from bad to good and back for no reason just like the stunt wrestling show that is WWE. By the twenty-sixth episode when Lady Une, Treize, and Zech had changed sides, I no longer knew who is a good guy or a bad guy. I started to worry that I might be too stupid to understand the story. However, I was relieved once Quatre asked Heero as to which side they are on, and to my surprise, Heero didn't know either. For the love of god, how the hell am I supposed to know who is good or evil when the characters in the anime themselves don't even know what they are doing ?
And as mentioned, Wing has got to be the Gundam series with the suckiest characters ever. Relena, the main female lead, is one of the most moronic anime characters I have come across. Truth be told, her idiocy is the main reason which attracted me to finish this awful series. Every time she appeared and babbled her bullshit 'total pacifism' ideal in public, I had to laugh my ass off. Throughout the entire series, there is only one scene when the thing she spoke is not stupid, and it was when she allowed Quatre and Heero to fight to protect her kingdom. But then, that wasn't her idea. Relena said that because Heero told her his opinion and her illogical infatuation to Heero caused her to agree with everything he said. Had Heero told her that total pacifism can be achieved if she would crawl like a dog on the street, I am sure that she would have believed him.
Not only the protagonists are idiotic, but so are the antagonists, as well. Dorothy is undoubtedly the best character in this series and every time she criticized Relena as a bullcrap, I had to laugh outloud. Apart from that, other major characters all sucked. There's Lady Une, who can change her personality from bitchy to innocent just by removing her glasses. As far as I know, schizophrenia doesn't work that way. And don't forget Zech Marquise, who underwent the most moronic disguise ever. I guess I am supposed to be convinced that one mask can hide a person's true identity. He even had a 'children-sized' mask to disguise himself when he was a kid too. Man, what a brilliant tactic. Bin Laden and Al Queda could learn a lesson or two from him.
And the thirty-sixth episode has got to be the most retarded anime episode I have ever witnessed. In this episode, Relena's kingdom was being attacked. Instead of ordering her army to defend her land, Relena was babbling her 'total pacifism' ideal inside the building, watching her kingdom being destroyed. Look, loving peace is a good thing, but refusing to protect yourself when the enemies are at your doorstep is not. To add insult to an injury, other world leaders seemed to appreciate her, calling her idiotic decision 'very moving'. They even crowned her as a world queen afterwards. Had Relena been a queen of my country and she said this bullshit, I'd be the one to start the guerrilla to throw her out of the throne and chop her head off with a guillotine. If any country on this earth has Relena as its ruler, it will be doomed in no time. Why those idiotic rulers in this anime found Relena's moronic decision to be moving is beyond me.
Finally, there's the final battle. Although the scene between Relena and Heero in episode forty-eight is meant to be touching, but it didn't work. Why ? Because everything which happened before this scene had been nothing but brainless drivel. That's why. Treize's and Zech's revelations about their true intentions could not have been more moronic. If that ideology is their true intentions, why bother starting a war ? I mean, what both of them did to fulfill their ideologies could not have been more idiotic. But oh, I fully expected that. I mean, since when that this anime is not stupid anyway ?
Animation
As expected from Gundam series, Wing's animation is very good for 1995 production. There are lots of bishounen in this anime, and I am not surprised why Wing is popular among fangirls. Character design is very good. The fighting scenes are not as outstanding as the character design though.
Sound
Both OPs are excellent. Its ending theme is very good too, but given its length of forty-nine episodes, I expect more OPs/EDs in order for me to give a higher score in this category. BGM is quite good. Voice acting is fine.
Story
I only have three reactions when I was watching this series. When I wasn't laughing with the characters' stupidities, I would either be dozing through its yawn-inducing (and idiotic) political drivel or rolling my eyes in disbelief with the ridiculousness of the plot. I fell asleep twenty-eight times while I was watching this, but then I also laughed outloud in many occasions. So this isn't completely shit or anything. Oh, it's almost shit, but still not quite. You have to understand that there is a tiny difference XD
Character
Most .. ridiculous .. ever. How could Relena fell in love with Heero in the first episode is beyond me. And Heero travelling all over Europe pleading for that family to kill him had me cracking up. Trowa's lost memory could not have been more bullshit, and Wu Fei is so idiotic in his first encounter between him and the villain in episode five. (it must be seen to be believed) Dorothy is the only major character whose IQ is in a triple digit. Because of her, I decided to give two points instead of one in character category.
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If you want a good Gundam series, you better watch Seed. If you want a political Gundam, go for Seed Destiny. I only recommend Wing for 1) fangirls who love bishounen, and 2) people who have a special sense of humor that they will laugh when they see something stupidly contradictory. Though, if you are someone like that, you still should avoid episode 17-23 and episode 27-31. They are yawn-inducing. And if you actually enjoyed Wing because of its retardedness and want a hilariously contradictory anime such as this, I recommend Gantz.
Oh, I almost forgot. I thought the final episode of Destiny (aka Final Plus) could have been brilliant if it is forty minutes shorter. The last six minutes are excellent...unfortunately I could not have been more bored watching forty minutes of recap from the TV series. Oh, its opening theme is another good thing it has _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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Actually, to air my point. I don't like SEED. I liked Wing better, not because it is my favorite Gundam series. The gundams in Wing are not overpowered,
Gundam wing Gundams are 99% impervious to damage. How the hell does that not count as overpowered? Sure, they can't beam-spam, but the fact that they have a god mode makes them overpowered in my eyes. Seed's phase shift technology is vulnerable to Beam weaponry and runs out of power.
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As for the pilots, I'll prefer a pilot that is talented and experienced rather than genetically enhanced. That's why I prefer Heero over Kira. Heero is portrayed as a cold person but it is not the case. Heero never lets his emotions get the better of him in a battle. He also experienced the pain of loss and defeat.
And Kira didn't? I guess that seeing his home get blown up in ep 3 (Partially is fault, and he knows it), doesn't count to you then. How about having to kill a man who he respected in around ep 20? (he didn't die, but Kira didn't know that) Or how about losing one of his best friends at the hands of another in episode 30? Heero on the other hand, fights because... well, because that is all he knows how to do. Right before he joined Sanc Kingdom he seemed awfully content with dying in a pointless battle while Quatre kept telling him that it was a waste to die without a cause. And he "doesn't let his emptions get the best of him" i crap. Why didn;t he kill relena fast, then? I think it was at her crowning that he could have sniped her and was all hesitant about it. how about earlier on, when he covered her with his shield from some rubble? back then it was in his best interest to have her dead. If he is so rational, why did he do that?
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Kira, on the other hand is portrayed as a god while fighting and as a human after.
True in Destiny, false in the original SEED.
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BTW, how did Kira won against Rau? It is luck. If Rau targeted Freedom's cockpit, he could have killed Kira.
I call it dodging.
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BTW, no amount of genetic engineering can match years of experience and maturity.
True... that's why Kira had to learn some lessons to become stronger by the end of SEED. At the beginning he was a scared cry-baby who refused to get into a gundam.
GRC: Good to have you back. As I say, we both see Destiny in as similar fashion but with different viewpoints. I don't think Dulindal is the main character of Destiny. To me, that is like saying that Treize is the main Character of Wing (and I'm sure Katsushiro will agree with me that he isn't). Although Destiny does have its accomplishments, they are, to me, background stuff, while the foreground (Shinn, Kira & Co.) fail misserably to make a good show of it. In fact, the failure of destiny's main events to match what's happening "behind" is one of its biggest failures.
Oh, since you like more "political" anime, I'd recommend you watch Code Geass... It is (to me) the best anime that has come out this year! _________________
GRC: Good to have you back. As I say, we both see Destiny in as similar fashion but with different viewpoints. I don't think Dulindal is the main character of Destiny. To me, that is like saying that Treize is the main Character of Wing (and I'm sure Katsushiro will agree with me that he isn't). Although Destiny does have its accomplishments, they are, to me, background stuff, while the foreground (Shinn, Kira & Co.) fail misserably to make a good show of it. In fact, the failure of destiny's main events to match what's happening "behind" is one of its biggest failures.
Maybe I enjoyed this anime for the wrong reasons then *lol*. Yeah, even from the interview (which I saw in the DVD), the director never mentioned that he wanted Destiny to be an irony. Perhaps this aspect of the show was done unintentionally, and it miraculously became an irony, if the viewer watched this show from a perspective that Chairman Dullindal is a protagonist like me. Yep, okay, I got your point. Discussion closed
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Oh, since you like more "political" anime, I'd recommend you watch Code Geass... It is (to me) the best anime that has come out this year!
I do like political stuffs. Zipang is one of the anime I will be collecting (when it is cheap, that is....yeah, I'm stingy). Code Geass....I have to do some search about this anime. Thank you for your recommendation (which I trust, of course).
PS. ROFL at your comments on Gundam Wing. I think it's too easy to pick the retarded elements of this show and bash rather than picking for its merits. I think the good parts are much harder to find than the retarded parts *lol* _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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Maybe I enjoyed this anime for the wrong reasons then *lol*.
Hey, it happens But at least you found it enjoyable. It is interesting to see people's perspectives on anime others liked/disliked. I know for example that Turn A takes lts of flak because of its lack of visual appeal, but in reality it is a good show. I think that your position ong GSD is good and respectable, and I agree that what you mention is actually managed well, even though it doesn't save the show in my eyes. Gundam Wing is different, though. I found no substance to enjoy in my eyes. "I'm good!" "Now I'm bad" "And now I'm good again". BS. "I fight, but I don't know why I fight". BS. "I am the queen of the world overnight! Total pacifism FTW!! never mind nationality, political systems and organization; even though we're in the middle of one big war!" BS. Oh, and in Gundam Wing NOBODY DIES! Heero self destructs and survives? The hell? It also annoyed me when that little aspect of Wing crossed-over to Destiny as well. I sure want to learn how to survive explosons you're in the middle of. I won't defend GS/GSD there.
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I do like political stuffs. Zipang is one of the anime I will be collecting (when it is cheap, that is....yeah, I'm stingy). Code Geass....I have to do some search about this anime. Thank you for your recommendation (which I trust, of course)
I've been interested in looking at Zipang as well... I think its premise is very interesting.
And if you're stingy, then I'm a cheapass... I only own one series in DVD... well, make it two. Anyway, I am going to use my X-mas funds to buy a few more in the next few weeks when I return to college. Oh, and I don't care if it is overpriced, I am getting Geass in DVD as soon as it gets licensed. _________________
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BTW, how did Kira won against Rau? It is luck. If Rau targeted Freedom's cockpit, he could have killed Kira.
I call it dodging.
I call it plot device. The same plot device that kept every gundam pilot alive (until a certain point).
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the gundams are out classed by new models of mobile suits. But upgrades have been put and the gundams outclassed the other mobile suit models.
They weren't really outclass in a sense. Its just that the original 5 gundams weren't built to battle in space. Thats why they had to upgrade so their gundams can battle in space when needed. Its just like Seed where the original prototype 5 were only space models and had difficulty flying around the Earth Atmosphere.
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And what's the use of the head on a Gundam? I regulary see a head being knocked off or blast off. And the Gundam still keeps on fighting, if it just for cosmetics? Tho if you think of it, a gundam without a head would look odd.
For looks. The head is where the main camera is. Although they can still function without it, vision is harder. There are other camera on a MS but the head is the main one.
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and runs out of power.
Power only runs out when the plot wants it to, if its nuclear then no worry. _________________
i like gundam seed destiny because of the upgraded freedom, the destiny gundam and the new justice. another reason is because you get to see the characters life after the war and you also get to see new characters develop.
Sorry I didn't feel that there were any character development in destiny. Some characters were focus too much while others were neglected and others are there for fans.
Strike Freedom is over-powered. Hell it felt like no challenge. I prefer Freedom in Seed (not destiny) because it wasn't too over powered. It had some challenges like the three druggie and Rau in the end. Where else Freedom AND Strike Freedom were pwning all. _________________
I will try to explain what the word 'character development' actually means. There are a lot of people out there who don't actually know the meaning of this word.
Character development means when a character changes his/her perspective from good to bad (or bad to worse) because of the situations/events/and people around him/her. However, the change must be in a plausible way and it takes time. If a character changes suddenly, then that is not development. It is manipulation. I will cite some examples of 'manipulation': Let's say...Elfen Lied (Elfen Lied spoilers)
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-In the last episode, Mariko, who has been a bitch who kills people like nothing...suddenly changes from a brat to a crybaby just because her father, Dr. Kurama, told her that he loved her. The change is way too sudden and thus, it is not convincing. This change is manipulation, not development.
-Mayu's change in the series was unbelievable. A girl who suffered from trauma because she was sexually violated by her own parent will not be able to change in a fraction of a second after Kouta accepted her into a house from a sad girl to a happy-lovey dovey girl. This is manipulation, not development.
Or Air..(spoilers)
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-Michiru's sudden change from a brat to an emo was done in a fraction of a second, and being explained in a half-assed way because of her sad past. However, her personality changed too fast and since this particular sad past of her occurred before she changed her personality, this is manipulation.
However, Shinn Asuka's change is character development. No, he did not change to become a better person. But he changed from an ass to a real bastard. As I explained in my review, Shinn joined the army because his family was killed in Orb. Thus, he has a dislike for Orb deep inside his mind. However, these following events changed him gradually....(Gundam Seed Destiny Spoilers)
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1) When Athrun came into the Minerva, he refused to fight Kira & Cagalli. As Shinn is also a talented pilot himself, it is not unusual that Shinn will not respect anyone just because he was told that "x person is a good pilot". He needs to see an evidence. When Athrun refused to even shoot the enemy, Shinn started to lose respect for Athrun.
2) Heine's death caused him to lose respect to Athrun even more, considering that it was Athrun's fault that he did not kill the enemies.
3) The event of Eunius 17 caused Shinn to lose his little trust he has left to Orb completely. At first, Orb invited the Minerva into their border because of Cagalli. However, Jona's father and Jona took the power from her and they decided not to become allies with the Minerva. Of course, Shinn was not told this information. Thus, he believed that there is no one whom he can trust but his colleagues.
4) Shinn's ego skyrocketed when he succeeded in one mission and everyone around him praised him. As he succeeded more and he did not see Athrun killing anyone, his respect to Athrun faded even more and he started to believe that he is the 'best', and what he did is 'right', and he started not paying attention to anything Athrun told him.
5) When Shinn discovered who Stella actually is, he drove his Gundam to the enemy, begging Neo to promise him not to let Stella fighting in the battle again. And Neo broke his promise (and you can't blame him for that, given that Neo was being brainwashed and was at that time nothing but a fighting machine). Thus, when Shinn had to face Stella (whom he loved) again in battle (and she died), it caused him to hate his enemies even more and at this point, he no longer believed anything and anyone but Ray and Dullindal.
6) Shinn only realized in the last episode that his leader, Dullindal, was manipulating him. And he regretted it, but it was too late.
The development of Shinn Asuka from an egotistic brat to a real bastard took thirty five episodes and five major events and thus, it is believable and it is very well done. Most of the 'sudden changes' people see in anime when one character changed suddenly from a happy, merry character to some emo who cried and whines (Kanon, Air, KGNE, Elfen Lied, Saikano et.c.) are called manipulation, not development.
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Power only runs out when the plot wants it to, if its nuclear then no worry.
The plot "wanted it to run out" for most of both GS and GSD. And besides, my other point stands.
Shinn had character development? That's news for me... I thought he had involution: from bratty, lowdmouthed insubordinate pilot to brainless puppet.
Shinn's "feature" (or at least one of them) in the early episodes of GSD was his independence and brashness. Even in just episode 2 he was ordered not to give chase to the mobile suits outside the colony for fear of an ambush and the fact that the impulse was running out of power. Still, he gave chase. In Junius seven he stuck with Athrun even though he was ordered by his superior officers to return. In the battle in which he discovered the EAF base he was ordered not to stray away from Athrun and the Minerva and he still did so. Not only that, but he yelled "shut up" to Athrun, his COMMISIONED superior officer, who had both proven his skill against enemies at Junius Seven and during the battle AND deserved respect by default.
Returning Stellar to Neo was also an act of treason (overlooked generously by the chairman), but handling a KNOWN fighting machine to another and saying "please don't fight anymore" and expect it to actually happen is more idiocy than anything else. Well, let's just say that he was very much opposed to just using people as tools and not letting them live their lives as they wanted to. Wait! wanst there some "destiny plan" aiming to do something very much like that?
Ironically, as soon as Shinn was comisioned to FAITH (which gave him authority for independent action) he lost his independent streak. He just acted in accordance to what Dullindal and Rey told him, becoming a "yes man" just because they both sucked up to him. Nevermind the fact that he had opposed the use of extended as only tools of combat (the destiny plan called for him to become just that), and the use of the requiem weapon against civilians (it was going to be shot at Earth by ZAFT). He was being manipulated and missed things that played upt right before his eyes! Oh, wait a minute... Where the hell did his insight go?! Sure, in the end he realized it.. but MAN! I thought it was obvious!
If anything, shinn should have been difficult to manipulate. Credit goes to Dullindal for managing this masterpiece by appealing to Shinn's ego, although I still think that it should have been more difficult than that.
I wasn't expecting shinn to become Kira's bud or anything, but I honestly thought that Shinn would be able to become his own brand of guy, touched by tragedy in his past and willing to go against anyone to prevent crap like that from happening again. in the end, he didn't become real bastard. He became a puppet. _________________
Yes, puppet is a very appropriate word to describe Shinn. Involution? Hmm, I don't know what this word means...have to look it up. Thanks to your intelligent reply I learned a new word today _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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EDIT: it IS a word!! it means " retrograde development; degeneration", which is exactly what I was trying to say.
Wow, that is great! Thank you for your enlightenment. But then, that explanation still proves that Shinn does develop....to the worse side
That's great because I submitted my GSD review to the database and I cannot edit it....and I'll be embarrassed if I said something wrong .. obviously I didn't. Because involution also means development...but in a bad way. _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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Well, retrograde develpment is development...but in a bad way. Still, i wonder if a series would want its main guy (at least the one who was supposed to be the main guy) to have "retrograde development". If so, GSD only proves that retrograde development can be pretty bad. I wonder if there is a series that does it right...
Anyway, I think your review would be fine... If you want I could deleted for you to submit an "upgraded one, or you could PM me the details you want changed/edited. _________________
I think theres too much Seed topic and wing bashing so I'll give some attention to the other series within gundam -_____________-
Anybody watched any of the UC gundams?
I've only watched the 08th MS team and MS Gundam Igloo: The Hidden One Year War and Apocalypse 0079. All based on UC time line.
I feel that the UC series is somewhat the most realistic Gundam series I've seen. Realistic as in technology wise. Not all MS had lasers and MAs and Balls were still used in combat.
Though my point may be wrong because I've only seen limited and haven't got a clear view of it.
Anyone seen THE original Mobile Suit Gundam? _________________
I've only watched the 08th MS team and MS Gundam Igloo: The Hidden One Year War and Apocalypse 0079. All based on UC time line.
I feel that the UC series is somewhat the most realistic Gundam series I've seen. Realistic as in technology wise. Not all MS had lasers and MAs and Balls were still used in combat.
I quite like 08th MS Team too
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Anyone seen THE original Mobile Suit Gundam?
I have not. The price of the DVDs at the moment are too high for me. I am waiting for a cheap boxset to be released (I am too stingy to pay $$$ per DVD ). The last Gundam series I got is Zeta Gundam when Rightstuf has the boxset on clearance sale (they had two boxsets left in their stock, and I bought one of the remaining two sets). I don't want to pay premium price for a series in which the animation has aged so much like Gundam 0079. _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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..I want my money back so I can buy anime instead *lol* j/k)
(what a lazy person I am). I gave this show a 9/10 which is a very high rating from me...(I believe that no anime is perfect. Thus, a rating of 10/10 is something I still have yet to find). Important parts are highlighted in 
But at least you found it enjoyable. It is interesting to see people's perspectives on anime others liked/disliked. I know for example that Turn A takes lts of flak because of its lack of visual appeal, but in reality it is a good show. I think that your position ong GSD is good and respectable, and I agree that what you mention is actually managed well, even though it doesn't save the show in my eyes. Gundam Wing is different, though. I found no substance to enjoy in my eyes. "I'm good!" "Now I'm bad" "And now I'm good again". BS. "I fight, but I don't know why I fight". BS. "I am the queen of the world overnight! Total pacifism FTW!! never mind nationality, political systems and organization; even though we're in the middle of one big war!" BS. Oh, and in Gundam Wing NOBODY DIES! Heero self destructs and survives? The hell? It also annoyed me when that little aspect of Wing crossed-over to Destiny as well. I sure want to learn how to survive explosons you're in the middle of. I won't defend GS/GSD there.
