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Ok, I gotta ask: What about this series gave you the indication that it was made with romance in mind? Nothing I've seen or read gave me any kind of idea that they were aiming for that kind of audience. From my experience, romance is never a big aspect in most (if not all) non-ecchi shonen manga.
Also, just out of curiousity: Specifically what in this episode gave you the idea that romance isn't this series strong point? I'll watch through the episode again and see if I missed something but I can't remember any particular scene that they screwed up (unless you're stating that they didn't have any romance scenes at all and that they should have in which case, I'm going to have to question what you expected from this series).
Ok, really though, what romantic pairing is there in this series. None that I can think of readily now that Saya's dead (which I sorta have doubts of as well). Rinslet is into Jenos but apparently he's dead (I don't believe that either) so unless you're into yaoi (Creed-Train) or loli (Sven-Eve), there is no pairing which exists that you can judge this serie's romance factor on.
Talk about misunderstanding...
Firstly, did I ever say that I wanted this series to be made with romance in mind? I was merely stating a fact, so don't put words into my mouth, thank you. I like the way my mouth works.
It's obvious, isn't it? There was hardly any development of pairings, except maybe for Rinslet and Jenos. Please...stop putting words into my mouth, alright? Did I ever say they screwed up? Then again, I'm not as clever as you as to assume-no, digress that others are talking about what I think about them, not what they say.
Exactly because there are hardly any pairings (except fan-based ones) that says that there is hardly a single inkling how good the 'romance' factor is in Black Cat. If there's nothing to judge, it literally means in the category of romance, Black Cat may well rate a 1/10 or 2/10(assuming that there is such a rating), which means it is bad enough. I did say 'not one of the strong points', so please read carefully before you bring forth the argument.
I may have wanted a little out of romance from Black Cat, (yeah, fan-based opinion, I admit. One or two subtle pairings at best), but considering how the anime has a largely different storyline, there could be a small possibility, couldn't it? Do they always make anime to be the same as the manga? Or have you heard of the word 'orginality', even if a little?
Wow, I guess I touched a nerve or something
First off, I wasn't accusing you of saying that they screwed up a scene or something. I was asking if you felt that they screwed up a scene or not and if that was the reason you felt as you did so please don't put words in my mouth.
I haven't read the manga at all so I can't say anything about the degree of similarity (or lack thereof) between the manga and anime. If there is a significant difference between the two as you say, then the writers, manga-ka, studio, etc should be commended for maintaining the level of quality and keeping the show interesting.
btw, you're not the only one who wouldn't mind seeing a bit of romance from Black Cat (I share that opinion).
Final point: Despite your accusation, I'm completely aware of both the word originality and its definition. However, call me cynical, but there's a synonym for originality when it comes it anime. It's called filler and according to quite a few anime fans (specifically referring to Naruto fans here), fillers pretty much suck. I'm not going to advocate studios developing their own ideas and storylines for any series when I've seen the results myself several times over. If you feel differently, that's fine.
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:34 pm Post subject:
To point out something... Generally, people who complain about filler complain about everything. Right now though, they aren't complaining becasue the story that they've gotten into now is to their liking. So as I said... They just like to complain when things aren't the way that they want it. They also forget that the show is mainly targeted towards children, so the childish filler really fits the show.
But to get back on topic, this wouldn't be the first time I've seen a decent sized manga broken down into 26 Episodes. To be honest, that doesn't mean that the anime will be bad, simply that I'll like the manga more. I've never really seen the point of changing the story up when adapting it into an anime, but whatever they wanna do is fine by me.
Romance wouldn't hurt anything, but it would be overshadowed by the action, drama, and comedy portions of the show. _________________ Running from your problems only wastes time... They always catch up either way.
To point out something... Generally, people who complain about filler complain about everything. Right now though, they aren't complaining becasue the story that they've gotten into now is to their liking. So as I said... They just like to complain when things aren't the way that they want it. They also forget that the show is mainly targeted towards children, so the childish filler really fits the show.
I can't say for sure whether the general anime fan base is like that but IMO I'm not like that. I dislike the Naruto filler mainly because nothing seemed to be in congruity with what the show was like prior to the filler arc. I've got no problem with the Bleach filler because for the most part, the studios didn't deviate too much from the norm.
btw, I disagree with this prevalent idea out there that anime is mainly (or exclusively) for children and thus, childish filler really fits.
First off, Barney, Hamtaro and Sesame street are for children. People shouldn't equate anime with cartoons or children's programming just because the characters/settings/etc are drawn instead of being live-action. That's the mistake a lot of ignorant parents and soccer moms make with all sorts of entertainment (video games and movies as well) Of course, there is some outlandish ideas and there is some simplistic viewpoints in some anime, but there are plenty of mature content and themes in most anime today as well.
Second of all, childish filler really fits only if the anime itself is fairly childish. Regardless the media (books, anime, live-action, movie, video game), you don't mess with continuity.
btw, I'm not 100% sure that you were refering to Black Cat when you made that comment I'm ranting about, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth (like some people like to accuse me of ) by generalizing your original statement to cover all anime; I just saw an opening to talk about this.
Unlucky_Sevyn wrote:
But to get back on topic, this wouldn't be the first time I've seen a decent sized manga broken down into 26 Episodes. To be honest, that doesn't mean that the anime will be bad, simply that I'll like the manga more. I've never really seen the point of changing the story up when adapting it into an anime, but whatever they wanna do is fine by me.
Romance wouldn't hurt anything, but it would be overshadowed by the action, drama, and comedy portions of the show.
I completely agree with what you say here that any romance would be overshadowed by those other aspects (as well they should, I believe). btw, are you certain that Black Cat will only be 26 episodes?
@ juggmon_jugg: Good that you made that clear, because there are plenty of people out there who use that kind of tone to accuse me of something that I don't do, so I exploded. Oversensitive to those words, I suppose. I accuse you, you shoot me back. Fair, I suppose.
And yes, it has already been said that Black Cat would be 24-26 episodes instead of the original 52 stated.
You want to know what scenes I feel were "screwed up"? Take for example the gunfight between Train and the Apostles' gunman. In general, that wasn't a really good action scene for which Black Cat is supposed to have as a main genre. There were almost like stills to me. Another general opinion is the six months' gap from where Train and Sven first met. It was too hastily done, showing Train going from being all dark and gloomy to cheerful (although even I thought that the six months should be enough for that, they could at least have showed one or two episodes on how he changed a little )
As for the part about the difference between manga and the anime...It's rather a whole lot different and I admit I was interested how everything would turn out, but in doing so, the anime felt extremely rushed to me.
Just asking...Is there such a thing called 'childish filler'? There haven't been much filler episodes in BC, but that was a general question. _________________ [IMG:350:100:b32e8a3e97]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/FAITH01/tomoyo1.png[/img:b32e8a3e97]
Anyone watch Full Metal Alchemist and read the manga as well? Two totally different (but good) stories. Just because the anime decides to move off the manga and into its own storyline does not mean the story is bad.
Even then, the Black Cat anime is below the high standard it could achieve. Some of it is quite senseless and unneccesary. Anime almost always suffers the 'unneccesary filler' syndrome. If they could get around that, many anime series would be far better than what they are.
Edit: Clarification of 'filler'
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Even then, the Black Cat anime is below the high standard it could achieve. Some of it is quite senseless and unneccesary. Anime almost always suffers the 'filler' syndrome. If they could get around that, many anime series would be far better than what they are.
And I would like to quote you again...
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Just because the anime decides to move off the manga and into its own storyline does not mean the story is bad.
And what do we have a lot of in mangas? Fillers and flashbacks.
They might not be necessarily bad, as long as they are not pointless like Gundam Seed Destiny's. Fillers are sometimes an important part of the story, explaining a character's past and reasons for doing this and that. It all depends on how the filler is handled. _________________ [IMG:350:100:b32e8a3e97]http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a103/FAITH01/tomoyo1.png[/img:b32e8a3e97]
Sorry, I meant 'unneccesary filler'. Sort of like the random beach or hotsprings episode that does little to forward the story. Almost every mainstream anime tries to extend their number of episodes by plugging in unnecessary information.
I don't curl up and start retching when I watch them, but I would like it if their presence was incorporated into the plot or character developement.
Anyway, that is my critical eye towards anime developement. Even then, I still enjoy watching it. Some of the unneccesary filler can be quite funny . Azumanga Daioh was an anime made of purely unconnected storylines. I still enjoyed it.
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:00 pm Post subject:
juggmon_jugg wrote:
I can't say for sure whether the general anime fan base is like that but IMO I'm not like that. I dislike the Naruto filler mainly because nothing seemed to be in congruity with what the show was like prior to the filler arc. I've got no problem with the Bleach filler because for the most part, the studios didn't deviate too much from the norm.
btw, I disagree with this prevalent idea out there that anime is mainly (or exclusively) for children and thus, childish filler really fits.
First off, Barney, Hamtaro and Sesame street are for children. People shouldn't equate anime with cartoons or children's programming just because the characters/settings/etc are drawn instead of being live-action. That's the mistake a lot of ignorant parents and soccer moms make with all sorts of entertainment (video games and movies as well) Of course, there is some outlandish ideas and there is some simplistic viewpoints in some anime, but there are plenty of mature content and themes in most anime today as well.
Second of all, childish filler really fits only if the anime itself is fairly childish. Regardless the media (books, anime, live-action, movie, video game), you don't mess with continuity.
btw, I'm not 100% sure that you were refering to Black Cat when you made that comment I'm ranting about, and I'm not trying to put words in your mouth (like some people like to accuse me of ) by generalizing your original statement to cover all anime; I just saw an opening to talk about this.
I do remember saying that Naruto is a show geared towards children, this certainly isn't a lie. Naruto is geared more toward older children, into teens. Saying that Naruto is geared towards kids, isn't a lie. It's not like saying "Hellsing is geared towards kids." The show has it's childish moments, it always has, and it always will, within the new arc it'd be hard to show those moments so they're doing so now. Remember, that if you're thinking about how it's not continuing along the path... It started with hunts to find Sauske which makes sense... And the actual arc does not continue until 3 years later. Who's to say what they're showing has nothing to do with what happened within that time? We won't know, since it's never stated. You have to remember that in Japan, young kids are watching this show. Although it may have times when it is mature, it will also have times when it's going to be childish to keep the children happy. I certainly wasn't old enough to understand everything, but I still watched, and they have to keep these things in mind when creating a show. Anyway, this is not really the topic to discuss this in.
I've seen a variety of shows, whether from the east or the west, it's not hard to understand that all animated material is not made for kids. You can even say that half or more, are not meant for kids at all. Naruto, is a childish show. That's just how it is, that doesn't mean that you're not supposed to enjoy it, but it does mean that childish moments will be there.
It was a general point, saying that most people who dislike filler, just like to complain. They'll always find something wrong, and they'll always pick it out instead of enjoying the show as is. If this is you, then yeah, I'm talkin about you. If it's isn't, then I'm not. From time to time, shows will deviate from their forms, it's not something that will be changed anytime soon.
juggmon_jugg wrote:
I completely agree with what you say here that any romance would be overshadowed by those other aspects (as well they should, I believe). btw, are you certain that Black Cat will only be 26 episodes?
And no, I'm not certain of how many episode it will be. It was simply stating that you can take anything and shrink it down if you want to. It doesn't make it bad, but most people will prefer the manga because more of the story is told.
JBlackshear wrote:
Sorry, I meant 'unneccesary filler'. Sort of like the random beach or hotsprings episode that does little to forward the story. Almost every mainstream anime tries to extend their number of episodes by plugging in unnecessary information.
I don't curl up and start retching when I watch them, but I would like it if their presence was incorporated into the plot or character developement.
I agree with you here. If the characters develop from these events, or if it goes with the theme of the show... Then they're not so bad of an addition. As long as it works in and it's not randomly "We're at a Hot Spring for no reason" then it's not too great. Then again, in Comedy or Romance shows these always seem to fit in to me.
I'm really sorry for going off topic, but I like making points(No, not post count or points for manga), and therefore I do things like this.
To get on topic...
Episode... 16?
Last episode showed a Saya clone... I mean... This is literal a clone. A girl from an unknown place, and she looks EXACTLY like Saya, although I think Saya's eyes were a different color. I can't remember at this point. I wonder if they were from the Lost Continent(That's what it's called right?) as well. Either way, her role is done I guess... I liked the fact that his dreams were destroying him, it must hurt falling off that high bed.
The gang meets up again... Train learns a lesson... He then gets punched. Sven is my hero. XD
_________________ Running from your problems only wastes time... They always catch up either way.
Joined: Jun 03, 2005 Posts: 360 Location: Uniontown, PA
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject:
krusnik wrote:
i like bleach anime rather den manga...
Sorry, that doesn't really belong here. >.>
I did steer it off topic a bit with my last post, but you at least should include something about the Black Cat current series if you're gonna post here. At least, I think that would be best. ^^;; _________________ Running from your problems only wastes time... They always catch up either way.
I really like this anime and after watching the first few episodes went for the manga which is even better.
i dont like the fact that the creed arc ended in such a wimpy fashion.
i dunno if this has been brought up, but anyone notice how Black Cat's story resembles Rurouni Kenshin? i had to try real hard not to make the comparison so that i can still enjoy the series.
This series quality has dropped sharply since they seem to be in a rush to cram everything they can into 25 episodes. I'm surprised that they even bothered to start another arc up, but I guess its only natural to have some kind of conclusion with Chronos. Somehow, I see Creed helping Train finish off Chronos.
Somehow, I see Creed helping Train finish off Chronos.
Somehow, I see almost everyone in the storyline fighting in the end...
(Hence, the scene with Train on a bike, his friends in a car, the other Sweepers following in another car, some Chronos in another car, Creed gazing in their general direction, some ex-Apostles of the Stars watching the situation on TV, etc, etc.)
Oh, on a different note, does anyone know what's with Train's look in the opening song while fighting Creed? Are they planning on changing Train's look in the near future or was that cuz they temporarily forgot what Train looked like while drawing?
According to the oyasumi site, it's scheduled to end during the first week of April, meaning the next episode should be the last one. 23 episodes it is.
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) by generalizing your original statement to cover all anime; I just saw an opening to talk about this.
I accuse you, you shoot me back. Fair, I suppose.
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. Azumanga Daioh was an anime made of purely unconnected storylines. I still enjoyed it.
