Planetes

[Specky]

While I am willing to bet that she will survive it should be interesting to see how they work it out.

If she does end up using Claire's air tank then her character completely degrates into meaningless due to her previous attitude and love. So in a way it would be best for her to die than take the air, especially after all that reviewing that she did in her head before the brink of death. Even if you go crazy right before you die and do crazy things I still think that in the end she is going to regret it when she realizes what she has done. Should be interesting to see where it goes from here.

That and I am still interested to see if Hachimaki finally pulls the damn trigger or not. It is interesting to have all this action going on and all the characters not knowing exactly what is going on. (Does Hachimaki know that they have aborted the crash before he pulls the trigger?) (Will Tanabe figure out that everyone is still alive before <if> she bites it?)

They sure are doing a good job at pulling out the suspense at perfect times though aren't they?

[Yebyosh]

Oh come on, with the way the anime is going, you definitely know in your hearts that Tanabe will not kill Claire. And they will be rescued. The extreme polarization of themes and characters here is what detracts it for me (even though the series is still good).

FYI, the Tanabe/Claire scene is adapted from the manga Vol 2 involving Hachimaki and his teammate Leonov.
Manga Vol 2 And it comes across better to me there not just because it makes Hachimaki more complex as a character (no he never even thought of letting his teammate die, he wanted to die himself and the reasons and actions were psychologically interesting). Tanabe's interaction with him when the Toybox rescued them at the last instant made their relationship even more complete. Note: I'll bet you that the Toybox shall rescue Tanabe/Claire in the anime.

On a good note, it is nice to see the preview with windmill generators and Tanabe's will. Why?

Manga Vol 3 It might be likely they are going to dwelve into Tanabe's dark past with episode 25. But how much are they going to change or even show it is another matter since they are showing other character's actions/scenes. But even then I feel it will not make up for Tanabe's naivity unlike in the manga.

[ZoXArkXoZ]

I JUST caught up to the current goings on and damn is interesting.

Few comments.
Both Tanabe and Hachimaki are thinking of doing things that are not normally in their character to do. I see Hachi arguing with his conscience one last time and finally deciding that he should not pull the trigger. Tanabe's decision doesn't seem all to clear to me yet. Yeb mentioned that they may delve into Tanabe's dark past so she may take the oxygen tank for herself. I'm interested to see how that goes but im pretty sure that the toybox will come to rescue them.

Anyway, i'ld give this series an 8/10 where most of the points were taken because of those annoying managers and the ninja ep (damn was it dumb).
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[Yebyosh]

[Stoopider]

I bet she dies in Outer space. That would be really sad.

I was hoping that the anime made heroes out of the rest of the fello's. Unfortunately, it went the more realistic way.

I was hoping that Hachimaki's Dad manage to bypass and kickstart the engine, with the help of the 2 best Eva pilots, Tanabe and Hachimaki both willingly sacrificing themselves to enter into the Tandem Mirror engines and bypassing the system, which proves to be fatal because of the radiation and both perishes in each others arms. But it was too late! However, with help of the 2 smaller ships, it manage to push it away from the city, but still crash to the moon, with minimal damage. But sacrificing one of the smaller ships.

Then that way, at the end of the series, I'll be all in tears saying to myself "SHIT man!! THIS IS A DAMN FUCKING GOOD SERIES!!".


I hope Ending suspense doesn't go Saikano. Imagine this outcome = Tanabe speaks of love. Then she goes insane and a bright white light shines forth from her. She's a alien!! With super powers.. that save's herself, and the white light captures the terrorist and rain down food to all the poor starving children in Maganga.

[Yebyosh]

[Fukui]

[darkhunger]

[Stoopider]

[quote]Yebyosh wrote:

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It is a cliched bad-guys-finally-repent, everyone's-happy, all's-well-ends-well ending.


Damn.. That really sucks...

[Specky]

Well it's about dang TIME they decided to get this episode out on the torrents. Though I must admit I'll bet translating it wasn't a cakewalk either...

While I'm not going to jump into spoilers, I do feel the way they wrapped things up regarding the incident worked out pretty well. Hachi was already starting to trip out as it was and his revelation in this episode was much needed.

Tanabe also ended up doing what I thought would be best, though Yeb, your Toybox rescue theory was laid to waste... ^^;

At the same time they seem to have left something dangling for the final episode as well... It should be interesting to see how this all wraps up in the end here.

Couple other things to add since I'm on Golden Week break and I have the time to blab.

First, I still feel that the whole terrorists thing worked out really well. In the end the terrorists won, due to them not being able to get the engine started in time. Also, terrorism is such a big issue in today’s world I feel it is nice to have a well thought out series showing us that it isn't going to be solved by starting wars or abandoning countries. The themes all seem to tie together well here even Hachimaki and his trying to go it alone proves a lot about how no matter how things change in the future, some things also stay the same.

Second, I still think the Ninja episode rocked the proverbial house. XD

[Stoopider]

Urghh. I don't quite like how it all ended.

NEVER NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS!!

I guess I'm not altruistic enough to believe that we shouldn't push forward science and bbut help the poor countries from their miseries. If people cared about the welfare of everybody else, everybody would starve.

But thats my opinion.

[Fukui]

I have to say that things went kind of conveniently for both Hachimaki and Tanabe regarding their decisions (gun & air), but the fact that both seemed to have resolved to take a certain action is good enough.

Terrorism is never going to stop. There will always be ppl fanatical enough about something. But by making everyone happy, terrorists will have no support.

[Yebyosh]

[Fukui]

I think both of us are talking in general terms here and it was never my intention to go into any depth on the topic of terrorism.

Evidently, the word "happy" was not in good usage. But I dont fully agree with what you say. Every human will aspire to be something better, live in a better house, have a better car and whatnot and that is simply human nature. No doubt, there is something that you want right now which you do not have, as do I. But are you saying that we are both unhappy and will forever be unhappy if we dont get that "thing"? By your defination of happiness as having all wants fullfilled, I'm afraid there are only a rare few if any happy people on this planet. I cant really define happiness but I am more inclined towards having needs met as opposed to having wants fullfilled. Our differing opinions here towards happiness is one of philosophy.

In the context of this anime, if that middle eastern country and that south american country (cant remember the names) are getting by... not prospering or anything, but simply having enough food and no conflict, what justification would Hakim and Claire have for being terrorists? Is Mexico going to pull a 911 on the states simply because they are not as prosperous?

If the united states can somehow settle the israel/palestine issue, I doubt the arab terrorsists would get as much support for their call for jihad, and without suport, there would be no new recruits, and ppl will report in their locations. And terrorism isnt strictly for a political motive. That would most likely be the intentions of top brass... but for the average 911 hijacker, they probably did it for religeous reasons more than anything. I dont think anyone can fail to point out that none of the top terrorists will blow themselves up and go meet the maker and countless virgins awaiting a sucide bomber.

By your own words: "Everyone will be happy when their wants are fulfilled" and "[terrorism] get support because their ideal matches what the people want"... by logic of these 2 sentences combined, I deduce from what you say, that the people support terrorism because they are not happy. But then the word "happy" here is once again in bad usage.

[Yebyosh]

Nope, what I'm getting at is that as long as we are humans in the sense of this current state, there will always be conflict and hence any means to resolve these conflicts including violence which thus leads to terrorism.

terrorism
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Looks like I missed the ideological reason. But my stand is still consistent. Because we are humans, we are all different. Everyone's wants will be different from each other. Having several thriving nations would not eliminate conflict. WW1 was an acceptable example of what had happened in that case. The nations was considered thriving then but greed and covetous sparked off the events that led to a great fight.

The basic nature of human is not good. Thinking that everyone is all lovey dovey and if you satisfy their needs is not going to make everything ok. An optimism that has no legs to stand. The Palestinians do have their needs fufilled. They are not starving. They are not thirsty. They have homes. And so are the Israelis. But they are facing the decades of enforced hatred (by both sides). Their ideas for the deaths of the others is not because one side is denying the other basic needs but rather they want the deaths & total elimination of the others. Even if one side gives up its struggle, the other will push its own ideals becuase they seen it as a victory milestone to continue their actions. Good luck if you think all they need to resolve it is to sit down over a cup of tea and listen to motivational speakers.

If you claim meeting their needs prevents terrorism, how does that explain the rich 'contributors' and 'participants' of their movements? How does it explain that there are almost no news of terrorists of Ethiopians or Somalians? Isn't the man who bombed the Federal building a terrorist? Isn't he an American?

No. Terrorists will exist as long as they have something they want and nobody is going to give it to them. They respond in the only way they know and that is through the use of terror. With the spirit of human nature being the greedy bastards we are, no one can fulfill everyone's wish or desires. The concern is more of how much can be done to suppress that urge to act. A rigid enforced law against terror acts, peer pressure and sense of hopelessness instill into thinking terror acts are futile would be more effective than thinking that if you appease them, they would let you go.

But to get back on topic here. By giving in to the SDA, the show has preached that it is better to appease than to resist. That is a viewpoint I found distasteful. Furthermore the show made no attempts to fully examine the aspects of the terror acts. They conveniently left out segments from the manga which keeps the reader in balanced view of both sides.

From the manga Gorou Hoshino while under the pursuit of SDA explained to Tanabe that the SDA was sponsored by Vega and other space exploration companies. Vega is the 2nd largest such company but is still distantly behind Technora. By getting SDA to take out Technora's operations, Vega stands to gain. SDA knows where they are getting their money from and willingly ignore Vega & other's projects to strike at Technora. Gorou remarked that when Technora goes down, it is likely the cycle would continue with the SDA & Vega going at each other with other 3rd parties. So how noble is the terrorist now with accepting 'dirty money'? Amazing that they can 'compromise' with one such company while intolerating another.

Edited: Reused spoiler tags. They are fixed.