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I have just finished re-watching this anime, and I was still absolutely appalled with this show like I did in my first watch. No, this is not the best anime of 2005. It is not deep, symbolic, or philosophical whatsoever like many believe it to be. When I finished watching this anime the first time two years ago, I was shocked with how bad this anime is and I could not believe that this anime is so incredibly popular and well received. Now that I re-watched it with an open mind, I still stand firm on my point of view. This is one of the worst anime I have ever seen.
I guess that this anime is trying to pull my heart stings and made me sobbed my hearts out. But somehow it failed in every way. Not only I was highly irritated with the idiocy of the characters, but I was also rolling my eyes in disbelief with the over the top backstories of each characters. And in every single tragic backstories I have seen, when I was about to care for those characters, they will say something extremely idiotic which made me gag in disgust instead of caring for them. Let me go into detail:
- In Kano's arc. I was about to care for her. However, her backstory is too cheesy I couldn't bring myself to take it seriously. Her mum (in her past life)'s reaction was so over the top I haven't seen any character acting so hysteric like this since Haruka from Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien. I could not bring myself to sympathize Kano when she said "I am tying my handkerchief to my hand and never take it off..because I will be able to use magic if I never remove my handkerchief". Excuse me, how old is she? Had she been eight years old, I might not have minded very much. But she is a high school girl on her last year of study. There is no way anyone who is of her age and has an IQ that is of an average human would say this crap to any of her friends.
- I have trouble not hating Misuzu. I do not believe that she is innocent. Stupid is the more appropriate way to describe her. She was complaining to Yukito that she does not have any friends. Okay, fine. Then the next sentence she said is, "I want to have friends so I can play hide and seek with". Her mentality is the one of six years old. No one of her age would play hide and seek regularly. Also, her writing skills and her drawing are of the standard of elementary school kids. Also, her habit of saying 'Gao' and her 'oops-trip-fall' habit irritated me greatly. She is not a baby. Period. Not being able to walk from point A to point B (the distance is less than 100 m.) without tripping and falling at her age is not called 'innocent'. Saying 'Gao' every five miuntes at her age is not cute. It is retarded.
Also, in the eleventh episode, she changed from a girl who has a brain of a six year old to the person whose brain is equivalent to someone who is three years old. All she could say to Haruko are 'mama', 'I don't want', 'I don't like'. If she had been with Haruko for so long, why would she not having a clue of whom she wanted to choose to live with: Haruko, or her own father (whom she hardly saw)? And what is it with her belief that a chick is a dinosaur's child? Again, that is not 'innocent'. It is stupidity.
- Minagi and Michiru's backstories are cheesy and unbelievable. And Michiru's behavior does not suggest that she has any tragic backstory. Before she went teary and whiny emo in the sixth episode, all she did was bumping into Yukito's belly or kicking his ass. Because there is no development whatsoever to lead me to believe that she has any tragic backstory, this manipulation Air tried to make me sad didn't work with me. Not to mention that their personalities are as flat and cliched as it gets.
- The ancient Japan arc (involving Ryuya, Uraha, and Kanna) could have been the best part of the series. Too bad it was ruined by one extremely idiotic act. Right when Kanna's mother was about to die, I could not help but laughed outloud with what Kanna was trying to do to impress her. Showing her mother her pathetic 'otedama' skills when her mum was about to die? Look, that is just out of place. Not to mention that she couldn't even do it properly after practicing it for months. Is this touching? Of course not. This is the most laughable and pathetic scene I have ever seen from anime in some time.
- The recap episode (10th episode) is contradictory. I did not see a single crow in any events in episode 1-6...but Yukito (when he turned into a crow) appeared in every single scenes which have already occurred in the series. If this is not contradictory I don't know what is.
- The last scene between Misuzu and Haruko could have been the most touching. HOWEVER, the thing which misuzu tried to do to impress Haruko is absurd. Just trying to walk from Point A to Point B without 'oops-trip-fall' to impress her? How old is she? She is not four years old! Can't she do something more 'clever' to prove that the time Haruko raised her all these years have not been a waste? And after she arrived from Point A to Point B, she then said, "I am so tired. I put so much effort into this". What the hell is this? Does it require so much braincells to walk from Point A to Point B that after you have done this you will feel that you are so tired that you cannot live any longer?
In short, this anime sucked beyond belief. Not to mention that it does not find its direction until the last two episodes. Kano, Minagi, and Michiru have no purpose whatsoever to be in the series. Take them out and little about Air will change. Air is never about them. It's mainly about Misuzu and her mother. This series spent an ungodly amount of time wasted on things which are totally insignificant to the story, not to mention that any touching scenes in this series are done in such a way that I found them to be absurd instead of touching. Last, but not least, the voice acting is almost intolerable. Every chicks except Haruko sound like they are eight years old. Haruko looks like she is eleven years old. Had it not because of her voice, I would not know that she is Misuzu's aunt. And while I must admit that the actual animation is very good, but the character design is terrible. Every chicks (except Haruko) have eyes so big that they look like giant insects. And when they cry, their eyes are so teary that it looks like waterfall. Touching? I think not.
To sum this anime up in two words: cheesy crap!
Geez, I can never be brief, can I? *lol* _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:15 am Post subject:
Watched the 12 episodes of Air. And as someone said already. It's a anime that calms your mind.
I can't really say what made me like this anime. Since if you think of it. It sure is stupid Misuzu falling when walking. It was funny the first time. But does get a bit silly after the 5th time or so.
Though the cast was really adorable. Even if they are stupid at some times. And as unrealistic this anime is with kawaii girl talking to a total stranger(yukito). I did find this anime very entertaining.
And hé i did got a bit emo at some scenes.... The girls are just to adorable to not feel for them.
And one thing i really want to mention the visual/animation was really awesome. The opening and Ending song are also really nice.
Well thats my opinion about the Air. I still got the summer special and the movie to go, but from what i readed the movie is almost same as the 12 episodes.
And one last thing...
GAO!!! _________________ [IMG:430:120:e3eaef3cc8]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s100/Sephi2K7/Signature/Yurisigv1b.jpg[/img:e3eaef3cc8]
fantastic anime and one of my favorit serise
although it has a short serise and some of the episodes are all the time talking, i like it ...just to metion the good things about it:
animation, voice audio, op and ed theme and the story itself.
i re-watched it many time and i still have the same feeling about it.
Misuzu is best character...poor her she didnt asked much but wanted to see the ocean.
well this is life...it knows no mercy.
It is the saddest anime i ever saw till now. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:31 am Post subject:
very interesting points you raise. I have a few things to say...
GRC wrote:
- I have trouble not hating Misuzu. I do not believe that she is innocent. Stupid is the more appropriate way to describe her. She was complaining to Yukito that she does not have any friends. Okay, fine. Then the next sentence she said is, "I want to have friends so I can play hide and seek with". Her mentality is the one of six years old. No one of her age would play hide and seek regularly. Also, her writing skills and her drawing are of the standard of elementary school kids. Also, her habit of saying 'Gao' and her 'oops-trip-fall' habit irritated me greatly. She is not a baby. Period. Not being able to walk from point A to point B (the distance is less than 100 m.) without tripping and falling at her age is not called 'innocent'. Saying 'Gao' every five miuntes at her age is not cute. It is retarded.
I had trouble figuring out Misuzu's age myself. At first I thought she was like 13 or 14, then they talked about her almost done with school, so I thought ok, maybe 17 or 18. Then when I saw her at home doodling and playing with bugs, I was like... ummmm... maybe she's 9 or 10. I still don't think I know for sure and I don't think they actually say her age. I don't remember well enough.
So anyway, let's assume that she's 17 because I think that's the age she IS supposed to be. She hasn't had any friends her entire life, so growing up in an environment in which she has to depend on herself for entertainment, companionship and life-learning, I wouldn't expect her to want to have the interests of a typical teenager... especially since that village she lives in seems kinda rural... I doubt there's a mall or movie theater down the street. So given all that, she's probably only developed as far as desiring the childish things she's done. She's never played hide-and-go-seek or cards ("torampo staina?" lol) before, so I guess even being at her age, she still wants that experience.
If anything, it makes her cute in most people's eyes and kinda captures that childish innocence. Haha, obviously it didn't impress you.
The rest of the characters were kinda all over the place. There were way too many arcs for a 12-episode series, so that's my biggest complaint. I think that the reason for them all was they wanted to showcase the different lives of those who touched the cursed feathers. It all tied together at the end when they explained the curse that lived inside Misuzu's soul and that's what made the story so endearing to me.
Even though I agree with a lot of the points you made, I still see this as one of my favorite anime series ever. Usually I can put off watching certain series, but with this one, I was agonizing over the release of every episode... the mystery was killing me. Even if the story, characters and the dialogue didn't catch your interest, the art and music still remains unrivaled. I still listen to the OP and ED on my mix-cd every week. _________________ GTX: Great Teacher Xeno... my daily blog about teaching in an elementary and middle school in Japan (see right-menu)
very interesting points you raise. I have a few things to say...
So anyway, let's assume that she's 17 because I think that's the age she IS supposed to be. She hasn't had any friends her entire life, so growing up in an environment in which she has to depend on herself for entertainment, companionship and life-learning, I wouldn't expect her to want to have the interests of a typical teenager... especially since that village she lives in seems kinda rural... I doubt there's a mall or movie theater down the street. So given all that, she's probably only developed as far as desiring the childish things she's done. She's never played hide-and-go-seek or cards ("torampo staina?" lol) before, so I guess even being at her age, she still wants that experience.
If anything, it makes her cute in most people's eyes and kinda captures that childish innocence. Haha, obviously it didn't impress you.
Even though I agree with a lot of the points you made, I still see this as one of my favorite anime series ever.
Yes, that was because you loved the characters. You realize that they are shallow...and I hated this show because of them. But you like this show despite of them. So I guess that is the difference between both of us. I absolutely hated this anime in my first watch....but I tried to be fair and re-watch it again after I read a lot of good opinions people have to this show to see whether my opinion would change or not (sometimes it does), and I still could not bring myself to like it. So I won't give this anime another try. It's just like Evangelion. Half of the people who saw Evangelion (myself included) loved Shinji because he is so insecure and whiny and we deem him as someone whose behavior is realistic, and another half of the audiences despise him for the same reason we like him. This case is the same I guess
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Even if the story, characters and the dialogue didn't catch your interest, the art and music still remains unrivaled. I still listen to the OP and ED on my mix-cd every week.
I completely concur with you about its background animation and the music. I was extremely impressed with the music (especially the OP/ED) of this show, and the music in the last episode at the scene when Misuzu died. And yes, I did something similar to what you did. I recorded the OP/ED into my cassette tape and play it sometimes when I drive or when I am at home (but then, I usually record every nice songs I heard from anime into cassette tape anyway ). But yes, I must admit that Air's OP/ED are extremely good and I loved them _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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I do not believe that she is innocent. Stupid is the more appropriate way to describe he
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Half of the people who saw Evangelion (myself included) loved Shinji because he is so insecure and whiny and we deem him as someone whose behavior is realistic, and another half of the audiences despise him for the same reason we like him. This case is the same I guess
Yes, so true, I was one of the half that was turned off because of Shinji. So I guess I won't convince you to like Misuzu because of why we like her. _________________
GRC - You know, I nearly agreed with all of your views on AIR. The cheesy parts and the retarded parts. But then, I was too bothered by the cheesyness of it, but more of how the plot when into in the end.
Joined: Mar 11, 2005 Posts: 2071 Location: Behind a computer monitor
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:24 am Post subject:
Alright people, get ready for a full out debate on the Air thread, f2 has arrived to defend Misuzu's virtue
GRC wrote:
I have just finished re-watching this anime, and I was still absolutely appalled with this show like I did in my first watch. No, this is not the best anime of 2005. It is not deep, symbolic, or philosophical whatsoever like many believe it to be. When I finished watching this anime the first time two years ago, I was shocked with how bad this anime is and I could not believe that this anime is so incredibly popular and well received. Now that I re-watched it with an open mind, I still stand firm on my point of view. This is one of the worst anime I have ever seen.
I beg to differ, this anime is one of the best animes in terms of character design and story. On my note, this is one of the best anime's I've ever seen, considring the animation, the audio and the depth of story.
The cohesion between these central themes of loneliness, sorrow, faith, hope, friendship and love is astounding in this anime. Air fully incorporates these themes into it's philosophy, symbology, depth, pathos and character development.
The philosophy in Air was simple, it contemplates the existence and purpose of life, the cycle of life and death and debatebly, cylical sorrow. Misuzu, IF she truely is the reincarnation of the winged being Kanna, continues to be born, to suffer and to die in solitude. Yukito travels around the world trying to find the meaning to his existence; whether it be looking for Kanna as family tradition or to find happiness with the one he loves.
The symbology; there is an amazing amount of symbology in here! For example, the cycle of Kanna's rebirth, suffering and death as trials a human faces during his/her life span. Misuzu's childlike perception of life and ideals in her actions (ex. keeping a picture diary; hiragana instead of kanji in writing). Yukito's puppet - and how Yukito is being controlled in the same way (either by family or fate). The inability to be close to other people (crying), as Kanna was alone. The burden of the future being passed to the next generation - this is also backed in ep 12, near the end when you see the boy and girl holding hands. They are Kanna's close friends (Ryuya, Uraha) reincarnated, traveling with Kanna perhaps for another thousand summers. Also, if you look at the opening, you'd also see the same boy and girl holding hands. The title of the song, 'Bird's Song', representing the story told by the crow! The title Air and freedom! More symbology!!!
The anime had a superb story, completely original, in depth and the characters evoke strong feelings of pathos. The most remarkable method of narration in this anime was that it had multiple outlooks on the same situation, differing in character perspective (Point Of View).
GRC wrote:
I guess that this anime is trying to pull my heart stings and made me sobbed my hearts out. But somehow it failed in every way. Not only I was highly irritated with the idiocy of the characters, but I was also rolling my eyes in disbelief with the over the top backstories of each characters. And in every single tragic backstories I have seen, when I was about to care for those characters, they will say something extremely idiotic which made me gag in disgust instead of caring for them.
All the characters in Air have tragic existences, including that of Yukito and especially that of Misuzu. The entire anime is a cycle of sorrow, continuing the chain of suffering from one generation to the next in search of relief and believing in hope. Misuzu is forced to live in isolation, away from true companionship because it pains and weakens her. In combination with the fact that her father discarded Misuzu and her mother's death, even the inital disapproval of Haruko. Yukito has no clear conception of what it is he's supposed to do or look for. Haruko loves Misuzu but can't get close to her. Kano is possesed, her sister worries consisently. Michiru and Managi; Minagi has a troubled family (mentally unstable mother); Michiru is her dead sister. If you're insensitive to the drama of Air then there's not much we can do...as for character 'idiocy', I'll get into each character seperately.
GRC wrote:
In Kano's arc. I was about to care for her. However, her backstory is too cheesy I couldn't bring myself to take it seriously. Her mum (in her past life)'s reaction was so over the top I haven't seen any character acting so hysteric like this since Haruka from Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien. I could not bring myself to sympathize Kano when she said "I am tying my handkerchief to my hand and never take it off..because I will be able to use magic if I never remove my handkerchief". Excuse me, how old is she? Had she been eight years old, I might not have minded very much. But she is a high school girl on her last year of study. There is no way anyone who is of her age and has an IQ that is of an average human would say this crap to any of her friends.
That is imprinted as a psychological trigger so that she wouldn't kill herself. In part, subconciously, she may have realized that already and kept it as a keep sake to sustain her life. Her belief is not any more outrageous then that of religion (ex. christanity, eternal life, no evidence), it's a matter of faith (theme). Although Kano seems very open, she seems quite melancolic and lonely, which is why she would have talked openly with someone emiting the same aura (Yukito). She doesn't expect anyone else to believe her (showing that she is aware of how illogical the matter is). Also, she told a complete stranger, not to her friends. Her sister (close and only existent family) and Yukito were the only people that knew Kano's reason behind the handkerchief. Besides Yukito, there is no evidence that she tells everyone that she can do magic if she keeps that handkerchief tied.
GRC wrote:
I have trouble not hating Misuzu. I do not believe that she is innocent. Stupid is the more appropriate way to describe her. She was complaining to Yukito that she does not have any friends. Okay, fine. Then the next sentence she said is, "I want to have friends so I can play hide and seek with". Her mentality is the one of six years old. No one of her age would play hide and seek regularly. Also, her writing skills and her drawing are of the standard of elementary school kids. Also, her habit of saying 'Gao' and her 'oops-trip-fall' habit irritated me greatly. She is not a baby. Period. Not being able to walk from point A to point B (the distance is less than 100 m.) without tripping and falling at her age is not called 'innocent'. Saying 'Gao' every five miuntes at her age is not cute. It is retarded.
Misuzu is a special case as she is the embodiment of every theme in this entire anime. She lives a secluded existence, has a troubled and sorrowful; lonely past, being abandoned by her father abandonement by the rest of her faimly. She constantly suffers whenever she finds joy in the company of other people, forcing her to distance herself from other people. When she finds Yukito, she has hope, faith and friendship that she can befriend him and eventually, even love him (although they would both die).
Her mentality can be attributed because of her detrimental condtion and isolation. As explained in the anime, her habit of saying 'Gao' expresses her saddness or embarrasement; a word to diffuse negative emotion. Although you might have found it annoying, I thought that the dosages of tripping and gaoing was entertaining at times and depressing at times (like when she stumbles in ep 12)
Have you ever considered that Misuzu really was mentally incapable? She's able to only write in Hiragana at her age, while she's attending school. Long term isolation could have reduced her wits and stunted her intellect, or perhaps the origins of her condition makes her less aware of her surroundings and as result, less cynical and more innocent.
GRC wrote:
Also, in the eleventh episode, she changed from a girl who has a brain of a six year old to the person whose brain is equivalent to someone who is three years old. All she could say to Haruko are 'mama', 'I don't want', 'I don't like'. If she had been with Haruko for so long, why would she not having a clue of whom she wanted to choose to live with: Haruko, or her own father (whom she hardly saw)? And what is it with her belief that a chick is a dinosaur's child? Again, that is not 'innocent'. It is stupidity.
That was of direct result of her deterioting conditon!!! It was expressed in the anime specifically that she would eventually start to forget things whenever she became to close to someone, and that was the reason why Yukito left (and that eventually they'd both die). This was part of the family story told to Yukito as a child about the winged beings. It was also specific that she would become inmobile and suffer excruciating pain in movement. Misuzu hid her pain away from Haruko and at the end of her life she reached her goal after that much hardship. It was remarkable that she was even able to remember Haruko, expressing the theme of love again. As for the chick and dinosaur, it was very specific about the circumstance. It was the festival, from a long time ago (10 years) It also cleared up that Misuzu knew that dinosaurs didn't come from eggs (she was embarrassed) and that she only did that to get the attention of Haruko.
GRC wrote:
Minagi and Michiru's backstories are cheesy and unbelievable. And Michiru's behavior does not suggest that she has any tragic backstory. Before she went teary and whiny emo in the sixth episode, all she did was bumping into Yukito's belly or kicking his ass. Because there is no development whatsoever to lead me to believe that she has any tragic backstory, this manipulation Air tried to make me sad didn't work with me. Not to mention that their personalities are as flat and cliched as it gets.
Minagi and Michiru were sisters only one has an inferiority compelx and the other is dead. Michiru was a support character to Minagi, who's existence is unwanted by her own mother. She's quite lonely.
GRC wrote:
The ancient Japan arc (involving Ryuya, Uraha, and Kanna) could have been the best part of the series. Too bad it was ruined by one extremely idiotic act. Right when Kanna's mother was about to die, I could not help but laughed outloud with what Kanna was trying to do to impress her. Showing her mother her pathetic 'otedama' skills when her mum was about to die? Look, that is just out of place. Not to mention that she couldn't even do it properly after practicing it for months. Is this touching? Of course not. This is the most laughable and pathetic scene I have ever seen from anime in some time.
That scene was because Kanna felt a responsability to perform this act, kowing that her mother was about to die. She did not want her mother to die with the title of a liar and thus, in culmination to the extreme circumstances made a rash and illogical choice. This also demonstrates naiveity in Kanna as she led a sheltered/imprisioned life.
GRC wrote:
The recap episode (10th episode) is contradictory. I did not see a single crow in any events in episode 1-6...but Yukito (when he turned into a crow) appeared in every single scenes which have already occurred in the series. If this is not contradictory I don't know what is.
That's only if the crow was Yukito. And the crow was around, even before Yukito (refer to ep 1 the OPENING)
GRC wrote:
The last scene between Misuzu and Haruko could have been the most touching. HOWEVER, the thing which misuzu tried to do to impress Haruko is absurd. Just trying to walk from Point A to Point B without 'oops-trip-fall' to impress her? How old is she? She is not four years old! Can't she do something more 'clever' to prove that the time Haruko raised her all these years have not been a waste? And after she arrived from Point A to Point B, she then said, "I am so tired. I put so much effort into this". What the hell is this? Does it require so much braincells to walk from Point A to Point B that after you have done this you will feel that you are so tired that you cannot live any longer?
You've completely forgotten that Misuzu is suffering because she's the manifestation of Kanna, the cursed winged being. She was sitting in a wheelchair because she couldn't move! It was specific in the myth that Yukito explained that the person would suffer from memory loss and physical trauma until death. She was dying already; it was quite a feat to accomplish.
GRC wrote:
In short, this anime sucked beyond belief. Not to mention that it does not find its direction until the last two episodes. Kano, Minagi, and Michiru have no purpose whatsoever to be in the series. Take them out and little about Air will change. Air is never about them. It's mainly about Misuzu and her mother. This series spent an ungodly amount of time wasted on things which are totally insignificant to the story, not to mention that any touching scenes in this series are done in such a way that I found them to be absurd instead of touching. Last, but not least, the voice acting is almost intolerable. Every chicks except Haruko sound like they are eight years old. Haruko looks like she is eleven years old. Had it not because of her voice, I would not know that she is Misuzu's aunt. And while I must admit that the actual animation is very good, but the character design is terrible. Every chicks (except Haruko) have eyes so big that they look like giant insects. And when they cry, their eyes are so teary that it looks like waterfall. Touching? I think not.
The other characters were not useless, they were also suffering from the winged being's curse because they were all influenced by a single one of her feathers. It also gave insight to Yukito as to what it is he wanted to do with his life.
I'll be honest, (plz dun take any offence) but you did watch the anime twice right? How could you have missed out on so many points? Which subber? I watched mainly subbs from Koi so my interpertation could be different because of that.
Questions from Air (I wish this could be taught in ENG class; hellz yea I'd stay behind for class)
I feel a certain need to ask a few questions in the discussion thread and see if you guys have the same conclusion or different
-The kids talking to Misuzu - Were they Kanna's friends reincarnated? (notice the hair colour and compare to AIR summer OVA)
-The crow Sora - Kanna's real mother? (that way, reaching goal, completes her desire to meet mother, refer again specifically to summer)
-What was the memory of the stars?
Man, Fission's has inspire me to re-watch Air.............tomorrow.
Gao also represents Misuzu's childish innocence. Haruko did say the phrase GAO was the sound that Misuzu though that Dinosaurs make. Her childish imagination stayed with her forever. Reminds me of my childish imagination.
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-The kids talking to Misuzu - Were they Kanna's friends reincarnated? (notice the hair colour and compare to AIR summer OVA)
Mind being a little specific on the kids. I have awful memory. -_-
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The entire anime is a cycle of sorrow, continuing the chain of suffering from one generation to the next in search of relief and believing in hope.
Thus in the end, the chain kind of "broke". In a sense, the sorrow and suffering stopped. Misuzu was able to reach her goal. Haruko continued on with her life with hope of a better future. Sora continuing his search with determination. _________________
I'll be honest, (plz dun take any offence) but you did watch the anime twice right? How could you have missed out on so many points? Which subber? I watched mainly subbs from Koi so my interpertation could be different because of that.
Oh, rest assured, I certainly did not take any offence at all. In fact, I was very impressed with your very calm, elaborate, and logical arguments without any stupid insults: something which I thought that this site lacked, after a certain discussion which I'd rather not mention. I will have to admit right now that I watched this anime from a copy of my friend who bought a HK Bootleg (as I never bought one myself, intentionally anyway). And while the translation is certainly not terrible, but it must not have been as good as Koi fansub which you mentioned.
However, I am not a person who will engage in any debate until I know perfectly well that I am not wrong. Hence, if you can recommend any fansubs who do a good job at this anime, do recommend me. I'll give this show another try with a different fansub...and if I still think the same after that, then we'll discuss this.
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Questions from Air (I wish this could be taught in ENG class; hellz yea I'd stay behind for class)
Don't skip class just for forum chatting. It's not good!
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I feel a certain need to ask a few questions in the discussion thread and see if you guys have the same conclusion or different
I am going to answer this from my guess:
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-The kids talking to Misuzu - Were they Kanna's friends reincarnated? (notice the hair colour and compare to AIR summer OVA)
From my guess, I think they are reincarnations of Yukito and Misuzu themselves. As evidenced by the boy saying (after Misuzu died), that "Their lives just ended. And ours is about to begin" (forgive me if my quote is not accurate. I am speaking from my memory). Yes, they are still alive when Yukito & Misuzu were alive, but, judging from their looks, their personalities et.c. .... I believe that they are the same people. Ryuya & Kanna, Yukito & Misuzu ... whatever. Same couple.
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-The crow Sora - Kanna's real mother? (that way, reaching goal, completes her desire to meet mother, refer again specifically to summer)
-What was the memory of the stars?
This far I don't know. I was concentrating on the story, not on the symbolisms. To me, symbolisms should be something extra. The quality of the story comes first. _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject:
very-well spoken, Mr Fission2... haha, you're really earning that "staff" icon I gave you ^___^
Fission2 wrote:
Minagi and Michiru were sisters only one has an inferiority compelx and the other is dead. Michiru was a support character to Minagi, who's existence is unwanted by her own mother. She's quite lonely.
I love Minagi... well, actually, her name is "Tohno" since "Minagi" is Tohno and Michuru's family name... anyway, I wish the series focused more on her. She only got like 3 episodes, barely. I'm rooting for a Tohno-based Air spinoff
GRC wrote:
Oh, rest assured, I certainly did not take any offence at all. In fact, I was very impressed with your very calm, elaborate, and logical arguments without any stupid insults: something which I thought that this site lacked, after a certain discussion which I'd rather not mention. I will have to admit right now that I watched this anime from a copy of my friend who bought a HK Bootleg (as I never bought one myself, intentionally anyway). And while the translation is certainly not terrible, but it must not have been as good as Koi fansub which you mentioned.
this forum community is very well-behaved. Not too often to I see people acting immature... well, in the serious debates at least
and if you watched this on HK bootleg, then no wonder your opinion is so low. HK bootlegs are an insult to the industry... titles flash too quickly and are usually full of typos. I highly doubt they translated everything correctly. Try to get your hands on the Koi-fansubs, they should still be available since it doesn't look like Air will ever be licensed. Another fansub team did a good job too, I can't remember their name though
I hope the version you saw at least explained why Misuzu was so sick. She was cursed... the closer she came to someone, the sicker both she and the other person would get. Seeing someone who so desperately just wanted a friend and yet unable to do just that brought a tear to my eye. Yukito fighting the odds and staying at her side showed real courage and true compassion. Then when he was at his weakest, he prayed for a solution: he was transformed into a crow and sent back in time (ie, the beginning of the anime) so that he could watch over Misuzu and be with her without making her sick. I had to watch the anime twice to understand that part. _________________ GTX: Great Teacher Xeno... my daily blog about teaching in an elementary and middle school in Japan (see right-menu)
Xeno is right. Bootlegs have horrible subs and quality. Words are often mistranslated or misused. I've seen some bootleg where the character's name is spelled out incorrectly -_- The quality of bootlegs are (most of the time) awful.
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love Minagi... well, actually, her name is "Tohno" since "Minagi" is Tohno and Michuru's family name... anyway, I wish the series focused more on her. She only got like 3 episodes, barely. I'm rooting for a Tohno-based Air spinoff
You can always push Kyoto animation to remake AIR like they did with Kanon. More eps, better animation and new design of characters. And new music. -_________-
With only 12 eps (exclude the recap #13), its hard to expand it with so little length. I think if they stretched that three eps span longer, it might turn out for the worst. _________________
Joined: Dec 23, 2006 Posts: 236 Location: The Netherlands
Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:25 pm Post subject:
xenocrisis0153 wrote:
and if you watched this on HK bootleg, then no wonder your opinion is so low. HK bootlegs are an insult to the industry... titles flash too quickly and are usually full of typos. I highly doubt they translated everything correctly. Try to get your hands on the Koi-fansubs, they should still be available since it doesn't look like Air will ever be licensed. Another fansub team did a good job too, I can't remember their name though
The other fansub service for Air was from Triad. Got mine from them. 1-12 and summer specials + movie from Triad. And Episode 13 from Koi. There still available since i got them about a week ago.
Don't know if that's the one you mean xenocrisis0153. But i liked there fansub service. Even though i'm totally clueless even if they make mistakes with subs _________________ [IMG:430:120:e3eaef3cc8]http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s100/Sephi2K7/Signature/Yurisigv1b.jpg[/img:e3eaef3cc8]
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Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 2:52 am Post subject:
Renzoken wrote:
The other fansub service for Air was from Triad. Got mine from them. 1-12 and summer specials + movie from Triad. And Episode 13 from Koi. There still available since i got them about a week ago.
Don't know if that's the one you mean xenocrisis0153. But i liked there fansub service. Even though i'm totally clueless even if they make mistakes with subs
after a little searching back, I got mine from a combination of Koi, The-Triad and Ishin. All of them were high-quality based on what I saw _________________ GTX: Great Teacher Xeno... my daily blog about teaching in an elementary and middle school in Japan (see right-menu)
I hope the version you saw at least explained why Misuzu was so sick. She was cursed... the closer she came to someone, the sicker both she and the other person would get. Seeing someone who so desperately just wanted a friend and yet unable to do just that brought a tear to my eye.
Yes, I know that (it was explained). Still, I could not feel sorry for her. Yes, her 'tragic past' is a good foundation. However, I cannot feel sympathetic for her due to her personality (which was not cute...at least, not to me ).
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Yukito fighting the odds and staying at her side showed real courage and true compassion. Then when he was at his weakest, he prayed for a solution: he was transformed into a crow and sent back in time (ie, the beginning of the anime) so that he could watch over Misuzu and be with her without making her sick. I had to watch the anime twice to understand that part.
Yes....I know that too. (Got it since my first watch). The things I got in my second watch is Kano's backstory, since in my first watch I was so bored that I must have dozed off when her tragic past was revealed . I still didn't quite get the tragic past of Minagi and Michiru. (I was half asleep both times when I was watching the sixth episode because the subtitles sucked chimpanzee's ass *lol*). Would you mind to elaborate about this? Thanx in advance
Thanks everyone for your info on the fansubs. If I will ever re-watch this (I must collect some courage first ), I will try the Koi _________________ [IMG:205:157:4263622574]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/charn/suzumiya-ep04-02.gif[/img:4263622574]
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. I still didn't quite get the tragic past of Minagi and Michiru. (I was half asleep both times when I was watching the sixth episode because the subtitles sucked chimpanzee's ass *lol*). Would you mind to elaborate about this? Thanx in advance 
