The ever so popular "Abortion Debate"!

Kaiser · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:46 am Post subject:

I guess I am sitting on the fence on this issue. On one hand I would like people to have their own choice if they could but also I believe it is morally wrong.

Then again if you force people to have kids, then you're bringing kids into unstable families or parents who don't even want their kids and might nelgect them. Which one is worse?

As much as its morally wrong to kill an unborn child, I'm not going to force my opinions on others so I will probably have to lean toward pro-choice.

If someone does not want a child, then society will end up supporting that child and we pay enough taxes in Canada. How'd a kid supposed to feel that his/her parents abandoned them after birth?

Pockypedo · Conscript Joined: Nov 14, 2004 Posts: 133

I'm pretty much the same as you than.

I don't agree with it, but people should have the right to decide whether or not they want the child. The consequences are on their conscience so it's really up to them to make the judgement call. A lot of things are wrong with the world but it's not up to a certain group of people to make those decisions.

Everyone is so concerned with women's rights on this but what about the father of child? Shouldn't he get a say in it? I mean if he doesn't want the child, he can choose to be as involved or uninvolved as he likes, but if he truly wants the child and his girlfriend/w/e decides to have an abortion... I mean he has just as much claim to the child as the girl does - minus the nine months of pregnancy, but afterwards.. the father could just claim the child and raise it on his own. It's not unheard of. (Ahh.. don't shoot me.. I'm also a girl)

SnowfairyX · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Mar 09, 2005 Posts: 82

I think abortion is pretty disgusting but I'm probably leaning slightly away from an outright ban. Partial-birth abortions should definitely banned in my opinion though. I wasn't always against abortion and was pretty easily pro-choice when I was younger and would have voted for Al Gore if I was old enough. My views have changed since then, and now, I am having an extremely difficult time with this issue and don't know for sure what should ultimately be done. I do respect women's rights, but the unborn should have rights too.

llhtom · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:55 am Post subject:

in term of religion, abortion is a sin as it kills new life and therefore not allowed to do so. But in term of non-religious people, abortion is to control birthrate nad as well as helping the new parents to be ready for the future and ready for their responsibility on their children....... Cool

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free_fighter · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:16 am Post subject:

I dont know about this. Ppl can make choices, but they also cannot kill unborn children can they? Especially about what was debated here earlier about rapes. But if, for example, poor ppl here, their children are many. And if the mother is pregnant, again, she couldn't raise the child as they were poor, has for example, 6 children, and not enough food, how could the parents raised the unborn child?
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fresh_no_concept · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:58 am Post subject:

Sins can be forgiven.

Anyways, in all respects, I personally do not like the concept of abortion. It's all a moral factor here. If some girl I was with were to have my child, in spite of however unprepared I might be, I believe I would be more than willing and able to support that child. It was my decision, and therefore, my responsibility.

However, if said girl decides to have an abortion, I wouldn't argue her out of it. In the end, it's always up to the girl (lot of pressure on the females, I know...). She's the one that's going to be carrying a life inside her for nine months. I've discussed this with girls I've dated before. All of them said they would keep the baby basically because of moral reasons.

Solution: Birth control and rubbers. Yeah, I know... rubbers suck. But it's either that or a good chance your stuck (blessed) with a baby. Your choice. Your responsibility. Have fun!

0343DeepBlack · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:19 am Post subject:

the_underdog · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:18 pm Post subject:

saying that ppl have the right to choose to have an abortion is like saying you have the right to shoot your children if they become too difficult to control. the issue is not the mother, but the life inside her. Are you really ok with letting someone kill just because they dont think they're ready?
WTF do you think sex is for!?
If you're not ready to have a child, you shouldn't be taking the chance and having sex in the first place. if you end up pregnant thats you own damn fault and you should face the consequences and not run away like a coward
It pisses me off to see ppl looking for an easy way out of everything, but its unavoidable. not even the law can stop the determined.

TheLoverofAllAnime · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:23 pm Post subject:

sadly, some people think sex is olnly for fun....and that thought leads to abortions.

Dimfennas · Conscript Joined: Jul 20, 2003 Posts: 155 Location: USA

There's a big difference between an embryo smaller than a pea and a young child.

Because of the advances human kind have made since, oh, let's say the stone ages or even the middle ages, women have a lot more freedom than they used to. I will always be pro-choice, if for no other reason than paranoia that if extreme conservatives have their way women will be reduced to nothing more than breeding cows. Women are not incubators and sex is obviously a pleasurable experience for most people, asking people to not have sex if they don't want children is unreasonable, not to mention unfeasible as they aren't going to listen anyway.

I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting children. Some people know they aren't fit to be parents, or just plain don't want them. I wouldn't want to saddle someone like that with a child, they obviously don't want the responsibility and probably would not rise to the occasion of parenthood.

This is a complex issue, it takes all kinds of people and everyone has their own view point on it. I don't see everyone agreeing on anything about it anytime soon. If ever. Just don't lose your head over it.

TheLoverofAllAnime · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:

Thats why im hesitant to talk about this. bith sides have good arguments.

Dimfennas · Conscript Joined: Jul 20, 2003 Posts: 155 Location: USA

I talk about it even though I worry about the thread, because I've seen this thread numerous times in various places and eventually someone gets mad or vulgar in language and people get upset and then it's just flame flame flame all over the place.

Knowing this, I still can't help but speak my mind. *lol* I try to keep it civil though, cause it just takes one irrational person to spark someone else into being irrational and then it's no fun.

I used to go on bolt often, and I posted on the abortion thread. When one girl learned that I was Catholic, pro-choice, and was using birth control she said that I was going to hell and that if the Pope knew about it he would excommunicate me.

On a bad day, that still makes me laugh. I think the Pope has more to worry about then my opinion.

TheLoverofAllAnime · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:50 pm Post subject:

dude, im sorry if thi offends you, but , OH MY GOD, that i hilarious! ha ha ha, oh my gosh! woah, thats funny. She said u were going to hell?! wow! She was a bitch! wow. thats really funny.

the_underdog · Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:53 pm Post subject:

No, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have children, but there is something wrong with taking the life of an unborn child because of that.

sure sex is a pleasurable experience but every time you have sex, you are taking a chance. one needs to be ready to face the consequences in case they are "lucky" enough to be "blessed" with a child.

If you dont want a child there are other choices besides killing it. You could put it up for adoption so a family that does want a child can take care of it or if you're sure you will never want a child you could get one of those operations. though pricey, they are the only 100% sure fire way to prevent pregnancy besides abstinance. or you could use other means of birth control to reduce the chance of a baby.