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Dimfennas
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course it doesn't offend me, I still laugh my ass off sometimes when I think of it.

Sometimes I think it must make "God" ("" = insert diety of your choice) sad that so many people have sticks up their asses. (can I say that? should I say butts instead? *lol*)

In the end, I say, don't sweat the small stuff. When making important decisions, I ask "can I live with myself if I do/don't do this? will it make me happy? how will it effect me, and others in the long run?" and quite frankly, others don't count as much as me considering it's my life. *Lol*

like even though I'm pro-choice I Don't think I could ever give a child of mine up. even if it was rape I'd still struggle with the decision, I'm not sure what I would choose then.

I've heard horror stories of the rapist coming back and demanding to be in the baby's (and mother's) life because he is the father. What a NIGHTMARE that would be for the mother!! And probably the child too.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

but i think the big problem is the embarrasment of being seen pregnant at a young age.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_underdog wrote:
No, there's nothing wrong with not wanting to have children, but there is something wrong with taking the life of an unborn child because of that.

sure sex is a pleasurable experience but every time you have sex, you are taking a chance. one needs to be ready to face the consequences in case they are "lucky" enough to be "blessed" with a child.

If you dont want a child there are other choices besides killing it. You could put it up for adoption so a family that does want a child can take care of it or if you're sure you will never want a child you could get one of those operations. though pricey, they are the only 100% sure fire way to prevent pregnancy besides abstinance. or you could use other means of birth control to reduce the chance of a baby.


I understand how you feel, but I don't think that having a child should be some sort of punishment for having sex. A child should never be called a consequence, should never be made to feel that s/he is anything other than a joy. And while I personally feel it is better that the mother have the baby and give it up for adoption, a part of me is revolted that people should expect the woman to act as an incubator and another is saddened at the thought of ANOTHER child having to live in "the system."

Sometimes I wish pro-lifers would tackle one issue at a time. Help all the children who are wards of the state to find happy and loving homes before they want to put MORE in them!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SEE!!! GOOD PINTS EVERYWHERE!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pints? of lager! whee. (I say that but I hate beer)

I'd like to ammend my earlier post and say, not just pro-lifers, but everyone. Every child should be able to live in a loving family. That should be a child's right, not a priveledge. It makes me sad that it's not true for all of them.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the_underdog wrote:
saying that ppl have the right to choose to have an abortion is like saying you have the right to shoot your children if they become too difficult to control. the issue is not the mother, but the life inside her. Are you really ok with letting someone kill just because they dont think they're ready?
WTF do you think sex is for!?
If you're not ready to have a child, you shouldn't be taking the chance and having sex in the first place. if you end up pregnant thats you own damn fault and you should face the consequences and not run away like a coward
It pisses me off to see ppl looking for an easy way out of everything, but its unavoidable. not even the law can stop the determined.


Very well said! People will strongly ague if whether what you're killing is an embryo or a baby. Baby or not, killing an unlived life isn't the way to go! Their are sever ways to go without getiing pregnant or without your lover getting you pregnant(how about ejaculating outside vigina? That's a sure fire way of not getting them pregnant).

Seriously though, things like this should come to mind before sex even occurs. I don't believe in a "unwanted" child because if your going to put your house up for sell, it's going to get sold one day or another. In other words, having sex equals making babies, unless it was a vigorious rape, you and your lover openingly invited your child into your life and killing it because you didn't want it isn't right. Abortion is no mindly different than killing a living, breathing baby.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, yes, these are all very good points for abortion. Now I'm just wondering, who here is whole-heartedly for partial-birth abortion?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firetears wrote:
Their are several ways to go without getiing pregnant or without your lover getting you pregnant(how about ejaculating outside vigina? That's a sure fire way of not getting them pregnant).

Bub, when it comes to sexual reproduction, there is never a surefire ANYTHING. The best protection against pregancy is abstinence. But when it comes to huamn wnaton desires, you'd be better off asking someone, especially teenagers, to shoot their own fool heads off. I don't like the idea of abortion, but this whole issue(uhhh...) is a private matter and is best left between a woman and her her doctor. Of course, this is easy for me say, being a guy and all.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnowfairyX wrote:
Oh, yes, these are all very good points for abortion. Now I'm just wondering, who here is whole-heartedly for partial-birth abortion?


What's partial-birth abortion anyway?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CGY wrote:
SnowfairyX wrote:
Oh, yes, these are all very good points for abortion. Now I'm just wondering, who here is whole-heartedly for partial-birth abortion?


What's partial-birth abortion anyway?


Ah ha! I thought that there would be at least one person here that doesn't know what this wonderful procedure is all about. I'll explain.

Partial-birth abortion is performed during the late stages of pregnancy when the fetus is much more developed and has developed many of it's organs such as it's brain. About that brain... Evil or Very Mad. Here comes the fun part. The fetus is partially delivered so then the head is visible. Then the person doing the procedure takes an instrument and punctures the skull. Then he/she takes a vacuum and sucks out the brains so then the rest of the "dead" fetus is delivered, "aborted" to be more precise. How did you like that explanation, CGY? Smile Abortion is pretty cool, isn't it? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnowfairyX wrote:
Partial-birth abortion is performed during the late stages of pregnancy when the fetus is much more developed and has developed many of it's organs such as it's brain. About that brain... Evil or Very Mad. Here comes the fun part. The fetus is partially delivered so then the head is visible. Then the person doing the procedure takes an instrument and punctures the skull. Then he/she takes a vacuum and sucks out the brains so then the rest of the "dead" fetus is delivered, "aborted" to be more precise. How did you like that explanation, CGY? Smile Abortion is pretty cool, isn't it? Very Happy

Nope, it ain't. All the more reason better birth control should be brought into the World or developed as inexpensively as possible so ppl in Third World countries can afford them. Better birth control = fewer abortions.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

0343DeepBlack wrote:
SnowfairyX wrote:
Partial-birth abortion is performed during the late stages of pregnancy when the fetus is much more developed and has developed many of it's organs such as it's brain. About that brain... Evil or Very Mad. Here comes the fun part. The fetus is partially delivered so then the head is visible. Then the person doing the procedure takes an instrument and punctures the skull. Then he/she takes a vacuum and sucks out the brains so then the rest of the "dead" fetus is delivered, "aborted" to be more precise. How did you like that explanation, CGY? Smile Abortion is pretty cool, isn't it? Very Happy

Nope, it ain't. All the more reason better birth control should be brought into the World or developed as inexpensively as possible so ppl in Third World countries can afford them. Better birth control = fewer abortions.


Yes, I completely agree on birth control and prevention such as abstinence in order to curb abortion. Just like we can never completely stop theft, murders, rapes, etc., we need to do something to prevent something like abortion from occurring frequently.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there have been cases when newborn babies were thrown away soon after they were born. Some were still attached to the placenta or whatever it is called. If things like that have to happen, aborptions are much better for both the bitch parents and the kids.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pya wrote:
there have been cases when newborn babies were thrown away soon after they were born. Some were still attached to the placenta or whatever it is called. If things like that have to happen, aborptions are much better for both the bitch parents and the kids.


Yes, I agree. We should start aborting some of the parents for being such bastards.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnowfairyX wrote:
Pya wrote:
there have been cases when newborn babies were thrown away soon after they were born. Some were still attached to the placenta or whatever it is called. If things like that have to happen, aborptions are much better for both the bitch parents and the kids.


Yes, I agree. We should start aborting some of the parents for being such bastards.

Cool Mass executions for dumbass parents! YES!! Where do I sign up to get a job like that?
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