Debate - Gay Marriage

[darse]

dont know what a christian conservative is but im not one of them
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[SnowfairyX]

[ual]

Eh I dont know about accepting it but it doesnt bug me

[siamshadecool]

What about the people who think it's a sin and accept it anyway? are they conservative?
I think many gay person knew what they do is sin, and they kept doing it coz they cant do anything about it, is it coz they cant fight it? or they are surrender to it?
I, personnally dont care what they do, i cant never do anything to them, its their rights, they had it from the moment they are born, its human rights, just dont harm others with it

I think he is not a conservative, coz i think a true conservative would never make a joke on that topic. they think about it so seriously, about what holy bibble said and it is a sin, and .......
Gay is already there for thousand years and will go on till the end
soo why not legalize it

[frozen_chicken]

im a catholic and i say some peoples view on the practicing catholics is put out of proportion, even though i believe people have the freedom to do what they want, i still believe in tradition and its values, but lets hope that the change is for the best and that marriage doesnt become another typical event that in which you can just do whatever you want cause i feel marriage will change its image to alot of people, but who cares even if you argue about it life goes on and eventually something else will just pop up, so stop arguing and read manga or watch some more anime to make you feel better

[Harangar]

I'm very irreligious to start off withm but I was half'raised catholic and I'm familar with their beliefs. The purpose of marriage is unionism and procreation. Gay people cant procreate therefore they can't marry, if they cant marry they cant have sex, therefore they should just be close friends. Marriage before Jesus came was very loose and wives were discarded easily, Jesus strengthened the position of women by stopping the abiltiy to devorce them and discard them. The catholic church does not allow devorces but annulments which means the couple can claim that because they have not had children and have no intention of doing so means the marriage is void.

I personally have no trouble with very close male relationships, but the idea of man on man sex disgusts me. So my attitude is this, as long as I dont see it or hear about it I don't care.

Also I dont like the gay stereotype "queer eye" these kinds of people are what I'm really biased against once upon a time manly men had sex together , as long as I dont know the details I don't care. No one would accuse the modern stereotypical gay person as being manly.

[iceravent]

i guess as long as it doesn't end up violating my rights, i don't really care.

[Kiyohime]

Ok So I was noticing a lot of peopel for, or well not copletely against gay marriage posting. And very few against.
Which I can understand cuz I've seen a few of these polls on other forums, and people that go against get ripped to shreds.

I'm actually for gay marriage, cuz well, i'm gay >_>;; lol

I actually dont think i'd want to go through all that hassel to get married... even a so called "normal" marriage, but as some people said, there are just some rights that gay couples would like to have that straight married couples get.

Another thing that concerns me though...Even if they did make it legal here, which would be a while, There could be a mass group of peopel doing it (like there was about a year ago) but on the other hand, because of the haters and extrmists, it could be very dangerous for a gay couple to be married..

there are some crazy peopel out there that hate change.. and gay marriage, let alone gays themselves, are something they do NOT want...
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[Harangar]

Umm, I don't believe in senseless violence against anyone for being who they are but just remember being gay used to be classed as a mental illness, I personally still think it is, but like I said before as long as I dont hear about it , doesnt affect me, I dont care.

Saying that though, I will add this, people advocating for gay marriage in my mind are just being radical for the sake of being radical, they're pretty much saying "me and bill here love each other, so we're going to shove it in your faces and bring up an issue whose core disgusts you" If the 2 gay people love each other fine watever, get matching straightjackets, they dont need to shove it in people's faces. the bonuses that marriage gives people isnt really for the couple its for the children that they have.

(the core is man on man sex)

[Kiyohime]

well yes, I have to agree that sometimes they bring out the topic way too much that at times its embarrasing, but honestly if you put in a way that they "shove it in peoples faces" there would be a lot of people who could say the same for straight couples who go walking around hand in hand, kissing, etc in public, but like you said you don't want tosee it so, that's also putting a hindrance on being in public, besides the fact that most people say they are "fine" with it, but in reality they get really offended when its in their face
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[Lysol]

Why the hell not? If you guys haven't noticed, basing a government off religion (which seems to be the primary opponent to gay marriage) is a pretty bad idea. Our country (sorry, I talk in first person concerning the US) was established on the basic principle of equal rights for all (yeah yeah, there was that whole slavery and women's rights issue, but the basic principle still stands.) We are removing rights from someone on the sole basis of a life decision they made that doesn't take away from the rights of others. (Actually homosexuality could just be genetic, which would then make the ban on gay marriage even more inhumane.)

Besides, our society can't really do much worse in terms of marriage. (What's the divorce rate again in the first few years of heterosexual marriages? Something like 50+% was it? Maybe the ones who hoist themselves upon Morality soapboxes can try and defend that....)

[Harangar]

hmm it could just mean the USA society is a blight on the world, corrupt government, way too strong a fundamentalist christian movement, shudders at the thought of religion, and a capitilist society, pretty much all that is evil with this world.

So does that mean gay marriage is right if a corrupt society opposes it?
Well no, not really. It's a broader issue than that, and I think homosexuality is more of a nurture than nature thing. Genetics I think is given supernatural powers in sci fi, when really its just a factor.

And Equal Rights is kind of a wierd term because capitilism doesn't give equality to all.

My main question now is why should gay people marry?
Main stream religions dont support it and marriage is an institution of the church.
Also isn't that they're only not married under the law? Wouldn't that mean if they held their own ceremony they could say they were marriage. Just cos the government recognises a piece of paper doesn't mean you have to place importance on that piece of paper.

[Kiyohime]

It's not just the piece of paper half the time. People have said this before, If you wre to spend your life with your lover, partner, whatever, if they died there are things that cannot be left to you because those are the rights married couples get. Things that are precious to that person or both of them could be lost because they didn't have those same rights.

Now if the government did something to make them have those same rights, not necesarially marriage, I'd be fine with that, because personally, I don't really want to get married even if I was with someone.

But because now the government is trying to throw the church into it, which is not right because they're supposed to stay seperate, even if peopel would settle for having those same rights, some people would still say no because it would mean they'd have to accept gays somewhat, and from personal experience there are peopel who will not accept it
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[CGY]

I think Canada just pass the bill of gay marriage, and make it into the Canadian Charter of Right and Freedom. Now, it is LAWFULL to have gay marriage.

[Fuchs]

i dont mind, but is the true meaning of marriage not another thing?
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