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Lucifer A-Source Admin


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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:34 am Post subject: |
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ascalph is right, Final Fantasy isn't copied from Chrono Trigger but Chrono Cross is. FF1 was created long before Chrono Trigger was so you can't say Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross revolutionized the RPG genre just because they have a setting which let you choose your own battle.
The main attraction of Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross is the time frame and parallel worlds, which Final Fantasy series obviously lacks. However, in term of storyline and battle system, FF wins. _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine. |
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Loveless Gokenin Samurai

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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:52 am Post subject: |
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this is funny
in all most final fantasies you can set all you moves to real time, meaning you can to decide while the monsters can do their moves again.
honestly i don't see how final fantasy's battle system is all that stupid cool!
here's the steps of their battle system
1)Wait for your speed to cross up to delay
2)Do something
3)Repeat
If you're talking battle system, i'd go to Grandia II, whom had the combo attacks and distance calculation. The battle theme was much greater and there even was a sphere of control.
If you really like real time (and i Do i think) Secret of Mana,Seiken Densetsu 3(rom only) and Legend of Mana (who doesn't like making arcane homing flutes of shade and wisp?)
Personally i think the only game worth remaking into new would be the one with Terra FF6 was it? And if they spiced up the plot a bit the one with the changing jobs. |
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Lucifer A-Source Admin


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Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:49 am Post subject: |
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If we compare battle system FF with Chrono Trigger, definitely FF wins. However, that doesn't mean FF has the best battle system in the whole RPG genre. I personally like the kind of battle system in Valkyrie Profile which lets player decide their combos and style of combat...
FF stories have always related to bad guys either trying to destroy or take over the world. I'm getting a little bored with this kind of story and hope the next FF series will be fresh... _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine. |
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the_underdog Gokenin Samurai

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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I liked Chrono Cross's battle system a little more than FF's. A little more thought involved....sometimes.
lucifer- I hope the next one has a fresh story as well, but I doubt it. The formulaic bad-guy-taking-over-or-destroying-the-world story is very easy. I dont think that most RPGs will stray too far away from this story line, including FF |
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isumayf19 Kyunin Samurai

Joined: Mar 08, 2005 Posts: 1296 Location: Somewhere Over The Rainbow
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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| lucifer i agree with underdog. i mean what else can you do. you need a main bad guy to drive a story. as a matter of fact arnt most video games like that. i mean there is one bad dude ready to take over tthe world and you are the hero. i dont know. anyways the point is i think the fantasy Genre just lends to that. but if you dont think that should be the case (the ultra bad guy taking over the world bit) what would you suggest. it be neat to hear what others think about that. how can you drive a story without a main bad guy. |
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Soud Heimin (Commoner)

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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| i think the ff X´s battle system is better than the Chrono Cross's or even any other ff´s |
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Lucifer A-Source Admin


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Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| isumayf19 wrote: |
| lucifer i agree with underdog. i mean what else can you do. you need a main bad guy to drive a story. as a matter of fact arnt most video games like that. i mean there is one bad dude ready to take over tthe world and you are the hero. i dont know. anyways the point is i think the fantasy Genre just lends to that. but if you dont think that should be the case (the ultra bad guy taking over the world bit) what would you suggest. it be neat to hear what others think about that. how can you drive a story without a main bad guy. |
Ok. My suggestion is having more interesting quests but still keep the treasure hunting, card playing games etc. About the storyline, it would be great if WE can decided it ourselves. Have you guys read an RPG like of novel that lets you choose your own destiny? You read until a certain page but there are options which let you jump to another page based on the option you chose. You may think it's the same like Chrono Cross but wouldn't it be wonderful if we can be the BAD guys instead of saving the world? Anyway, it's just my suggestion.... _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine. |
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isumayf19 Kyunin Samurai

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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:36 am Post subject: |
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| Lucifer that sounds sort of like fable by xbox. i mean the part that you can choose your own destiny well it sort of sounds like Knights of the Old Republic as well. oh well one other thing even in chrono cross there was that main bad guy in lavos. but its all good. i think it would be sort of neat to choose your own destiny. talk about replay value |
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isumayf19 Kyunin Samurai

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Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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oh yeah i forgot check this out all you FF fans and escipally you FFVII diehards
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/games/ps2/dcff7/
i cant read what the heck is going on but it looks like another FFVII game for the PS2 and it almost seems as if Vincent is the main Character. |
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the_underdog Gokenin Samurai

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucifer wrote: |
| isumayf19 wrote: |
| lucifer i agree with underdog. i mean what else can you do. you need a main bad guy to drive a story. as a matter of fact arnt most video games like that. i mean there is one bad dude ready to take over tthe world and you are the hero. i dont know. anyways the point is i think the fantasy Genre just lends to that. but if you dont think that should be the case (the ultra bad guy taking over the world bit) what would you suggest. it be neat to hear what others think about that. how can you drive a story without a main bad guy. |
Ok. My suggestion is having more interesting quests but still keep the treasure hunting, card playing games etc. About the storyline, it would be great if WE can decided it ourselves. Have you guys read an RPG like of novel that lets you choose your own destiny? You read until a certain page but there are options which let you jump to another page based on the option you chose. You may think it's the same like Chrono Cross but wouldn't it be wonderful if we can be the BAD guys instead of saving the world? Anyway, it's just my suggestion.... |
that would be great. just combine a create ur own character thing and Im in! the only draw back would be that because we chose our own story, there wouldn't be the same great fmv sequences that FF fans have come to know and love. But i can do without them. |
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Lucifer A-Source Admin


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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe we can create the FMV sequence ourselves? lol
I have always dream about a game which has its' own mind. After we set the characters, the game automatically generates the FMV sequences, music etc. Maybe someday this dream will come true... _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine. |
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isumayf19 Kyunin Samurai

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucifer wrote: |
Maybe we can create the FMV sequence ourselves? lol
I have always dream about a game which has its' own mind. After we set the characters, the game automatically generates the FMV sequences, music etc. Maybe someday this dream will come true... |
not to tread on your dreams but that wont happen for a very long time. we will probably be super old by that time and wont be able to handle/play the game because of our worn out hearts.
but how awesome would that be. a game that generates itself like that as you play. that game would have the ultimate replay value. |
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the_underdog Gokenin Samurai

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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psh, by then we won't need controllers. remember the PS9? but I do agree that that idea is a long way away. |
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Lucifer A-Source Admin


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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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For now it maybe just a dream but with the hi-tech technologies the world has today, it may not be impossible. I think it's just a matter of time before they create such a game..
I've heard of the idea of using retina scans when playing 3rd person shooting. For the RPG, maybe they'll create one method that uses our brainwaves?  _________________ What's yours is mine, what's mine is still mine. |
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isumayf19 Kyunin Samurai

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Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2005 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Lucifer wrote: |
I've heard of the idea of using retina scans when playing 3rd person shooting. For the RPG, maybe they'll create one method that uses our brainwaves?  |
wait what the heck would the retina scan do. i mean how does that help and what excatelly does it accomplish having your eyeball scanned. |
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