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Joined: Mar 17, 2005 Posts: 887 Location: Malaysia
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:44 pm Post subject: Recent Air Pollution In ASEAN!!
Well, I hope someone here read news. Recent Indonesia Forest burning activity has cause and release extreme dangerous amount of Air Pollution. Due to the changes in Monsoon Wind... it has blown itself to several parts of ASEAN countries.
Malaysia was hit the most Critical rate. API (Air Pollution Index) went up from 32 to above 500+ causing the Prime Minister to issue "Perintah Darurat" and stop all Schools, Productions, and any possible activities. Meaning, employess get themselves holidays, students are dismiss for a several days off in some heavily hit areas.
Worst case, 7 healthy person have died due to the extreme polluted air. Now the wind is blowing up North causing the northern Malaysia Region to suffer the pollution.
Not to mention that Ashma Patient reported increased to 500%, and some other respiratory illness to increase as well.
Yea... I stay in that northern area and was hit with this extreme pollution yesterday. The visibility is at most 100m I think... I can't even see much through my balcony now.
In Kuala Lumpur (Malaysia Capital) was hit at a very dangerous causing to have water pollution and decreasing of water supply. People have to result in Mineral water and remorse Osmosis drinks.
So far, Cloud Seeding has been done and I hope it'll rain soon. Did any other nearby countries like Thailand or Singapore suffer the similar problems? For your knowledge, this is not the 1st time we encounter this probem due to this forest burning activities. It is as if an annual disaster...
What do you guys think? Anyone who suffer the similar problems want to file their complaint? I know I got difficulties to breath here as well as eye sore and sore throat >_<
Joined: Jun 16, 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: Traveling down the 101
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject:
Wow, that seems really harsh. I'm still young and still arrogant to issues with other parts of the world. I hope everything works out, and hopefully it will rain.
Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 8164 Location: la la land
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:14 pm Post subject:
yeah, i just saw it on news yesterday, it looked TERRIBLE! hope it works out soon. and try not to go out, even when it rains, coz eventually all the nasty stuff will come down as acid rain.
question: what was the purpose of the forest burning? was it to clear lands or what? _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Joined: Jun 15, 2005 Posts: 662 Location: Florida, but originally from Philippines
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 11:39 pm Post subject:
you're no worst off than me good friend in Malaysia. I pray for both of your health. _________________ I am teh whit3 mag3! I p1ck up peoplez with teh owwziz and the boo8oos!
Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 8164 Location: la la land
Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Recent Air Pollution In ASEAN!!
Yuun wrote:
For your knowledge, this is not the 1st time we encounter this probem due to this forest burning activities. It is as if an annual disaster...
i dont get it. people know perfectly well of what will happen, why do they do it repeatly? i hope people who started the fire all choke to death. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Joined: Apr 04, 2005 Posts: 608 Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:13 am Post subject:
CGY wrote:
... another disasater to boost for our world... wondering how long it will last...
because of worthless and useless human...hmm...Yuun...i am still a Malaysian also and I did faced 'jerebu'(haze) before in Malaysia when i was like errrr....Form 3 or 4? i forgot already..It wasnt as worst as now i agreed but last time was because of intense forest burning in Indonesia causing it. This time i think was caused by other country open fire burning as well. I do prayed for my family, friends, and relatives living in Malaysia for their safety. And I pray so for you and your friends as well....
CGY...i am beginning to like your morale...'Human are USELESS' _________________ [img]http://sp1.mm-a10.yimg.com/image/323052649[/img]
Joined: Mar 17, 2005 Posts: 887 Location: Malaysia
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:42 am Post subject:
Yup... a couple of times we have to face such Haze problems thanks to Indonesia. For years the Indonesia use cut and burn technique to clear the land for farming and other activities but they nvr understand how much it effected the air quality.
Now that the law is enforce, still some "Pyro-maniac" repeat the same mistakes. Simply because companies save cost by burning instead of clearing it the Friendly way. This time Indonesia going to have a tough time getting away from frustrated Malaysians.
llhtom, is true... and seriously, this fellas who responsible to this thingy never think twice and how much disaster could they cause to others. I say they should be severely punish if caught. Death sentence also can't save them from their sins.
Sayoku, i don't mind those "Pyro-maniacs" burn to death or choke to death but the problem is the wind blow the haze to Malaysia and leaving Indonesia with clear skies. SImply put, they do mistakes and we suffer for them. Stupid maggots, even now still haze is around but luckily the visibility increase and the API is getting better but still I can't see the Sun >_<
Thank you everyone, I'll drink lots of water and pray hard to get through this safely... _________________ [img:800:198:5c85a10b1b]http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1347/feenasighk3.jpg[/img:5c85a10b1b]
Joined: Jul 22, 2005 Posts: 8164 Location: la la land
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:25 am Post subject:
Yuun wrote:
Now that the law is enforce, still some "Pyro-maniac" repeat the same mistakes. Simply because companies save cost by burning instead of clearing it the Friendly way. This time Indonesia going to have a tough time getting away from frustrated Malaysians.
Sayoku, i don't mind those "Pyro-maniacs" burn to death or choke to death but the problem is the wind blow the haze to Malaysia and leaving Indonesia with clear skies. SImply put, they do mistakes and we suffer for them. Stupid maggots, even now still haze is around but luckily the visibility increase and the API is getting better but still I can't see the Sun >_<
'friendly way' for deforesting? there is no such a thing.
choke to death is too kind for tem anyway. the indonesia govern. should be fully responsible for the smog.
i found this article saying [Companies responsible for the fires mistakenly believe they are above the law because they are supported by "powerful people," Minister of Forestry Malam Sambat Kaban told Dow Jones Newswires, without naming those people.] (from http://au.biz.yahoo.com/050812/18/7bty.html)
thats just plain stupid. _________________ "Look at me, with my pretty bracelet and tiara... I'm a fuckin' princess!"
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Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:45 am Post subject:
Yuun wrote:
Yup... a couple of times we have to face such Haze problems thanks to Indonesia. For years the Indonesia use cut and burn technique to clear the land for farming and other activities but they nvr understand how much it effected the air quality.
Now that the law is enforce, still some "Pyro-maniac" repeat the same mistakes. Simply because companies save cost by burning instead of clearing it the Friendly way. This time Indonesia going to have a tough time getting away from frustrated Malaysians.
llhtom, is true... and seriously, this fellas who responsible to this thingy never think twice and how much disaster could they cause to others. I say they should be severely punish if caught. Death sentence also can't save them from their sins.
Sayoku, i don't mind those "Pyro-maniacs" burn to death or choke to death but the problem is the wind blow the haze to Malaysia and leaving Indonesia with clear skies. SImply put, they do mistakes and we suffer for them. Stupid maggots, even now still haze is around but luckily the visibility increase and the API is getting better but still I can't see the Sun >_<
Thank you everyone, I'll drink lots of water and pray hard to get through this safely...
Well, unfortunately, it is true that it happens like that (I'm an Indonesian, and I knew how these people works). Somehow it is still not proven yet that someone intentionally burns the forest. In the end, forest fires may even started by nature.
I wonder though if the truth may comes out of Indonesian authority since they can cover up their mouth by the cash that they are paid with. _________________ Innocent Tranquility
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Joined: Mar 17, 2005 Posts: 887 Location: Malaysia
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:39 am Post subject:
Yeah... Indonesian seriously need to buck up their Government, many Malaysian starts to really dislike them. Well I didn't mean you Jsy3k, I mean those who start the burning and those irresponsible politicians. Sorry I didn't meant to mock your country Jsy3k but seriously if they don't start improving their relationship with other countries as well as themselves and the high corruption rate, they'll never grow...
I was terribly devastated that Tsunami hits Acheh not long ago and I really sympathy with them wholeheartedly. Can't believe I donated RM100 for the raising Tsunami aid fund instead of getting a new anime DVD... but despite so much help have been given to Indonesia from Malaysians... things like this still happen...
About the fire, it is started by HUMAN this is what Indonesia themself proclaim. They say that Malaysian companies in Indonesia is the one responsible yet they refuse to mention about the involved company's name after being requested by the Malaysian Government. Isn't this too weird? Is so clearly protray to us that their mouth was shut by money like what Jsy3k...
I hope situation improves... and I sincerely Hope Indonesia could work out with Malaysia... Angry Malaysian have been spreading propaganda and bad image about Indonesia x2 after recent disaster. This is not good... _________________ [img:800:198:5c85a10b1b]http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1347/feenasighk3.jpg[/img:5c85a10b1b]
well, the only way to stop the air pollution is to switch the car fuel from gasoline to hydrogen as it is still in its experimental stages but it is highly possible, then stop using coal as a powersource for electricity and then either go into nuclear or thermal energy for they are the easiest ways to get energy, that should solve about 70% of pollution
Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject:
Yuun wrote:
Yeah... Indonesian seriously need to buck up their Government, many Malaysian starts to really dislike them. Well I didn't mean you Jsy3k, I mean those who start the burning and those irresponsible politicians. Sorry I didn't meant to mock your country Jsy3k but seriously if they don't start improving their relationship with other countries as well as themselves and the high corruption rate, they'll never grow...
I was terribly devastated that Tsunami hits Acheh not long ago and I really sympathy with them wholeheartedly. Can't believe I donated RM100 for the raising Tsunami aid fund instead of getting a new anime DVD... but despite so much help have been given to Indonesia from Malaysians... things like this still happen...
About the fire, it is started by HUMAN this is what Indonesia themself proclaim. They say that Malaysian companies in Indonesia is the one responsible yet they refuse to mention about the involved company's name after being requested by the Malaysian Government. Isn't this too weird? Is so clearly protray to us that their mouth was shut by money like what Jsy3k...
I hope situation improves... and I sincerely Hope Indonesia could work out with Malaysia... Angry Malaysian have been spreading propaganda and bad image about Indonesia x2 after recent disaster. This is not good...
Well, not really the problem of our own since sometimes our words fall on deaf ears of the government despite the amount of complains from our side. Well, to tell you the truth, a lot of good image of Indonesia are tarnished due to a lot of things: Huge number of the poors, 3rd in the world for worst corrupted country and one of the highest crime rate in Asia and the list goes on.
Well, what it takes actually is a good leader, but most are not doing that even though it is a lot due to the fact that their life is always at risk. Take Muneer for example. He is a very important figure in Indonesia which fights for a lot of violation of human rights in Indonesia. It is a very serious matter and the only guy who stands up and fight among the officials and figures in Indonesia is him. He was poisoned to death due to his "good" deed. This kind of things happened in Indonesia and really, unfortunately, no one has the guts to do that except for certain people, but usually some of them are dead due to assasination.
I never knew the seriousness until "State of Emergency" (Perintah Darurat) was announced by Malaysian government. I thought that it will be around 120-150 like the ones happened in the past, but never thought it would be triple of that.
It is hard sometimes, but I also hope for the best interest of both the countries. My concern goes out to the cities in Malaysia that are affected by it. I sincerely hope that it can disappear together with the falling rain soon.
thejackal wrote:
well, the only way to stop the air pollution is to switch the car fuel from gasoline to hydrogen as it is still in its experimental stages but it is highly possible, then stop using coal as a powersource for electricity and then either go into nuclear or thermal energy for they are the easiest ways to get energy, that should solve about 70% of pollution
Hmmm, well, it would be quite a while before something like that will be really significant to the overall pollution index of the world. Nuclear will solve the problem, but it has its own risk. I just hope that some countries do not abuse it and make use of the energy to make weapons. I also sincerely hope that the event in Chernobyl will not repeat itself in the present. _________________ Innocent Tranquility
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well, the only way to stop the air pollution is to switch the car fuel from gasoline to hydrogen as it is still in its experimental stages but it is highly possible, then stop using coal as a powersource for electricity and then either go into nuclear or thermal energy for they are the easiest ways to get energy, that should solve about 70% of pollution
Hmmm, well, it would be quite a while before something like that will be really significant to the overall pollution index of the world. Nuclear will solve the problem, but it has its own risk. I just hope that some countries do not abuse it and make use of the energy to make weapons. I also sincerely hope that the event in Chernobyl will not repeat itself in the present.[/quote]
well, if you were to say about that Chernobyl incident, that was caused by human fault, they made the design to deal with the energy inefficiently and thus, it was like a meltdown or something, so basically, as long as the design for plant is stable enough and they can control the splitting of the atoms, then the accident can not occur (i research it up). then the part about nuclear weapons, about that but sorry since nuclear weapons are already made since the cold wars.
Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
thejackal wrote:
well, if you were to say about that Chernobyl incident, that was caused by human fault, they made the design to deal with the energy inefficiently and thus, it was like a meltdown or something, so basically, as long as the design for plant is stable enough and they can control the splitting of the atoms, then the accident can not occur (i research it up). then the part about nuclear weapons, about that but sorry since nuclear weapons are already made since the cold wars.
Yeah, true, but some countries abuse it. Instead of using it to generate electricity, they are used for weapons. I think that is the main reason some countries are researching on nuclear energy: For creating MD weapons.
There are other risks too for the people living in there. I know that a lot of measures are taken to make sure the workers are safe, but still, such vast and constant exposure to a lot of radioactive substances are dangerous and may affect some bodily functions even though it may be controlled.
The radioactive waste too are not disposable. They have to be buried to make sure it is not contaminating other healthy resources. It also takes hundreds of years in order for the waste to be decomposed (Did I use the correct word?? ). It can affect a lot on the lands. _________________ Innocent Tranquility
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(i research it up). then the part about nuclear weapons, about that but sorry since nuclear weapons are already made since the cold wars.
). It can affect a lot on the lands.
