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So, did Neon Genesis Evangelion confuse anyone else?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:54 am    Post subject: Neo Confusion Reply with quote

This anime was the weirdest one o've ever watched. I mean it was like a random sequence of events thrown together. I was so confused at what happened at the end. can someone please explain ti to me.!
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 11, 2006 3:20 am    Post subject: Re: Neo Confusion Reply with quote

Shadowfox_900 wrote:
This anime was the weirdest one o've ever watched. I mean it was like a random sequence of events thrown together. I was so confused at what happened at the end. can someone please explain ti to me.!


which part of the ending are speaking of specifically? the last episode in which they discuss "the case of the Third Child: Shinji Ikari"? I haven't seen it in a while, but it's basically a run-down of what he has learned throughout the series and how he has become willing to accept life as it is and realizes adaptation is necessary not only for happiness, but also survival.

And overall for the series, as I said earlier in this thread: Basically, you need to realize that Gendo changed his mind after Yui's death and her reincarnation as the EVA-01's soul. He wanted the 01 to become God instead of his original plan of combining all souls on earth into one (return to the Lilum). Although knowing about the religion helps (mainly Adam, Eve, and Lilith), I think knowing about psychology makes it more understandable and enjoyable.

Anyway, use all that as a jumping point and give me more details as to what you need explained and I'll do my best to help. I'm due to finish the final volume sometime this month, but since I'm moving out, my schedule is hectic.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Evangelion Reply with quote

it was quite confusing because of the not really a specific storyline. It went from fighting angels to personal problems, etc. Overal the movie was better, yet still confusing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

took a couple of reviewing to fully understand everything in this entire anime. You really have to look out for things if you want to wrap your head around it. If not, consult wikipedia.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

neon genesis is one of the most confusing animes of all time. it takes a few watches and some research to understand it, but when you do it elevates it to a whole new level.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evangelion was hard for me to understand at first too but then I watched it a second time. To me it was just another way of seeing how humans came to being and they were considered traitors to the Angels for giving up their powers and forms.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone could really say that Evangelion didn't confuse them. Anyone who says they understood everything in it are missing the point of the anime; it's deliberately written to be open to personal interpretation. Sure, the director probably has his own ideas about what it all means, but that doesn't mean we have to subscribe to his ideas. Besides, Anno went a bit nuts if I remember rightly, so any interpretation of his would be difficult to apply to your average everyman...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Melancoholic wrote:
I don't think anyone could really say that Evangelion didn't confuse them. Anyone who says they understood everything in it are missing the point of the anime; it's deliberately written to be open to personal interpretation. Sure, the director probably has his own ideas about what it all means, but that doesn't mean we have to subscribe to his ideas.

mm, I've seen many different people explain things in totally different ways and still have all of them make perfect sense. The way things happened are pretty clear-cut as having only one, maybe two explanations, but the number of ways people interpret the meaning is endless. Also, speculation for what happens after the movie has also graced the internet countless times.

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Besides, Anno went a bit nuts if I remember rightly, so any interpretation of his would be difficult to apply to your average everyman...

you are correct about Anno being nuts. I had heard something about him being involved in that Tokyo subway bombing... don't know if it was before or after NGE, oh well, I don't wanna say anything else incriminating just in case I'm wrong about the whole thing. The man makes interesting anime and that's good enough for me, haha
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

xenocrisis0153 wrote:
The way things happened are pretty clear-cut as having only one, maybe two explanations, but the number of ways people interpret the meaning is endless. Also, speculation for what happens after the movie has also graced the internet countless times.


Yeah, I agree. The sequence of events is pretty clear cut, but the meaning behind the events is what is open to fierce debate. The ending is in my opinion the strongest point of the story. The fact that you aren't told how things end up, you're just left hanging with Shinji and Asuka surrounded by that red water with no idea how they're going to go on... it's very affecting.

Plus it throws up the vague possibility of another series in the future. Not something to hold your breath for, or even really to seriously hope for, but a possibility nonetheless.

Incidently, do people know that there's a live action movie in the works?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Melancoholic wrote:
Incidently, do people know that there's a live action movie in the works?

yeah, but Weta Workshops keeps pushing back production to focus on other projects. Grrrrr... at least the concept art has been made public on their website. Curious to see what actors they get to fill the cast.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I think is one of the keys to "understanding" NGE is considering that not everything said in the series, directly or indirectly, is supposed to be true. One of the underlining themes of NGE is confusion and frustration and the anger that results from both. Just because of group of scientists named something "angels" or "lilith" doesn't make them so. There's never any proof offered that anything in the series is actually supernatural. It's more about human reaction to what seems supernatural.

At least, that's one possible take. As noted above, Eva can be taken all sorts of ways.

I remember reading one review, a long time ago, that said NGE was worth watching because you were always guaranteed to have a reaction to it, even if it wasn't a positive reaction. Even if we hate something, it's always helpful to realize why we hate it. It's probably why I prefer NGE to later shows in same vein, like RahXephon and Fafner. NGE was never afraid to make its characters pathetic and despictable. That always made them more believable to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen Fafner, but I'd rate NGE and RahXephon as being on a par with each other. They're obviously very similar, but while NGE has a very negative view of humanity with very introspective musings about how we are destined to hurt each other and ourselves in our pursuit of happiness, RahXephon is far more optimistic, showing that, even through trial and tribulation, basic goodness and decency can be maintained, and that happiness and truth aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. Really, from a philosophical standpoint, they're not the same at all, and I'd contend that one series is the antithesis of the other.

Unless of course you're just watching for the robot battles... Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats the thing Melancoholic, NGE was never meant to be a happy story so to speak. this anime includes characterisitics and personalities that is common in humanity but are too dark to show. someone even analyzed the main characters each represented one of the '7 deadly Sins' because they all seem so one dimensional.

one things for certain, NGE is definitely not for the feint of heart and can only be truly appreciated by few.

also, if anyone who watches this series/movie have the DVD, watch it with the commentary after youre done. I HIGHLY recommend it if you really want to know the back story and religious and historical references that this anime was based on. It blew my mind and saved alot of research time for me. LOL
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lol, the definition of a great anime: one you can base a PhD thesis on! Razz
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Some really interesting takes on what the series ending means from some people here, but none really come close to what I got out of it. At the end of the series we see Shinji trying to decide what to do with the world. Since Eva unit 01 has become god(as seen in the End of Eva movie as well) and Shinji is it's pilot, Shinji basically gets control over what will happen to the human race. The whole last episode is a mental battle with himself to keep the world he knows or go through with third impact and bring all souls together to "fill each others holes." In the end he goes through with third impact and his A.T. field shatters(symbolized by the walls of the room he's in) and is accepted into lilum(symbolized by everyone congratulating him, even people had previously died).


The movie ending on the other hand he denies third impact because even though he might still get hurt, he wants to see their faces(as he puts it). There really isn't much symbolisim to be thought trough at the end of the movie, which by the way was only made because of all the death threats Anno recieved after finishing the series. It was made more to spite fans rather than for them even though a lot of them like better than the series ending. Fans wanted to see Asuka and Shinji get together, all they got was him jerking off in front of her comatose body. Fans wanted to see Asuka kicking ass, ok sure, but then they have them all regenerate and destroy her. Fans wanted to see Shinji and Misato get together, sure we'll show them kiss, then Misato get's blown to pieces. If you really look at the movie you'll see so much spite like that, I happen to love that Anno did that. It makes the movie just that much more enjoyable for me.

And a little added bonus, Studio Khara(new studio made specifically for this project...basically still GAINAX) is making 4 new Evangelion movies. First one will come out next summer in Japan and will be a prequal to the series. No date for the second, third, or fourth, but don't expect to come out to soon after eachother. The second movie will be a "mid series movie(not sure what they mean for sure but it looks kinda like it'll be the series but told from a different perspective)," the third will be a sequal, and last is what they called a final movie. go to anime news network for more information but they don't have much more than that at the moment.
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