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Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:17 pm Post subject:
irakih wrote:
aww
o__o...
then... then... we should do something about it~!!! and make the world a better place~!!!
and we can fix UN so it won't be a mess anymore~
yesh~
we can revolutionalize the world~ yay~
...
need to know the probs and the sources of probs tho.... hmmm
Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do. I don't think the UN can do anything since it is domestic affair and their intervention will only become interference by the government. I think the only thing missing from all these political talks is only one: A good leader. _________________ Innocent Tranquility
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: Sorry first time.
Sorry i dont post much, im more use to my freinds and msn i promise i will do my best to do better with my spelling and punctuation.
just not use to it yet but thanks for trying to under stand what i said(did later post)
Back on topic I cant realy judge communisum because I have never been ruled under it, and i just have to know what is it like? because I dono...... I feel so blind to whats going on in the world and i do knowtice the posts and what it means and everything but i have never experienced it.
by the way I edited last post because I didnt know how much it could affend you I am sorry to all I have offened please except my appology
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Joined: Aug 06, 2003 Posts: 3938 Location: I'm in deep sheet of cute girls
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject:
kaisash, please learn to use the edit button where it is necessary. Please do not double post unnecessarily. I saw that your last post is only 3 minutes away from your last post. I have already deleted your last post and combine them together. You will not lose your points for the last one (I think) but please be mindful of that in the future, OK? _________________ Innocent Tranquility
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Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:38 pm Post subject:
LoneWolf325 wrote:
Communism is what happens when Socialist governments start to fall apart. More accurately, Communism is the violent enforcement of socialism. It's not a very large step, but it makes a bad problem much, much worse.
CGY wrote:
Well, they say Socialism is the evolved version of communism, like the China of today.
Socialism is actually the stage between a bourgeois free market society and complete communism. When communists in Russia seized power they ushered in the stage of Marxist socialism. A small minority took control in order to prepare the people and their country for communism. The theory goes that when the country was ready for communism, the minority or the ruling elite would hand over control of the country to the people.
Socialism took different forms with different focusses and methods to accomodate different societies, cultures and situations. It is not a set political doctrine but the lead up step to communism.
edited bit
when most people say communism they do mean socialism. Communism has never been achieved by any socialist state.
Last edited by quosimos on Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:46 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Jun 16, 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: Traveling down the 101
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:
it's not really communism where the government establishes its control. The correct word for it is totalitarianism.
adj.
Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed
But I think that communisms' best form is written on paper because it seems so nice if you think about it, a place where everyone is equal, but once it is taken into action the plan fails miserably. _________________ PM some funny pick-up lines please >
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject:
Jsy3k wrote:
I don't think the UN can do anything
okay fine i took the quote out of context .
i have no faith in the UN. I think its totally undermined because its not really an independent body but a collection of entities. it has no concrete power by itself but is beholden to its members. You can see its powerlessess in the way that some powerful countries (one certain permanent member in particular) lie, and disregard its rulings at whim. Whats more, they use the UN to pressure weaker countries into line. The UN has even become an arena where they propagate their agendas. Sec State Powell's WMD speech at a UN conference was a major part of the administration's campaign for war (much of the speech which was based on shaky, unverifiable, misinterpreted evidence has now been discredited). More recent is the uncovering of the food for oil scandal which sparked a major inquiry into the dealings of high ranking UN officials responsible for the food for oil program.
aww
o__o...
then... then... we should do something about it~!!! and make the world a better place~!!!
and we can fix UN so it won't be a mess anymore~
yesh~
we can revolutionalize the world~ yay~
...
need to know the probs and the sources of probs tho.... hmmm
Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do. I don't think the UN can do anything since it is domestic affair and their intervention will only become interference by the government. I think the only thing missing from all these political talks is only one: A good leader.
true.. *hmm*... they only interfere when there are genocides or wars... or something as threatening like that, right?...
from what i remember... this year's UN summit (sept 14-16 i think) does go over human rights.. but u'r right... UN doesn't have substantial power...
hmmm ... there's another org out there... *think think*....
anyways
there should be something that we can do.. there better be... if there isn't... then we should create such possibility
anyways~~~~~~~.. after thinking really hard for the past minute.. (LOL).. i finally remember the name of the org that i was trying to remember... amnesty international~
it serves to protect human rights worldwide ^^.. (even though it not in any way more powerful than the UN)
it deals more w/ refugees, child soldiers, poverty, violence agaist women, etc.
hmm
i think it can help ^^
yup... umm..
i have no idea where the lump of money to create social programs to help the ppl will come from.... *think*
tax?
as for the "good" leader part
i think it depends on the focus of the party and the structure of the society..
ex.
let's say... in a democracy..
the leader's (forgot what's the word).. promises?... would logically be aimed at its voters.. and be appealing to those that sponsor the party (i.e. the rich and famous.. well... may be just rich...)...
sooo.. does it make sense for the leader to appeal to poor ppl and immigrants who don't understand the local language?
logically... the leader'd make sure the rich'll get the longer end of it so the rich ppl will continue to give money + sponsor the party... right?...
rem that there is a definite limit to the federal budget...
so when prioritizing... would the leader prioritize the minority poor over the majority of middle-class?... or the powerful higher-class?...
first of all
if the leader prioritizes the poor over or at the same level as others.. so that the leader risks the stability of the crowd... erm... is that a good leader?...
*shrug*
either some international org'd pressure the gov't (so it'd be accountable to the ppl... that it needs to help the poor people because 1. well they need help 2. the intl org is pressuring us to do it 3. we need to maintain good intl image and connection because rejecting the request is not.. good?....
or another social structure is necessary
Joined: Apr 30, 2005 Posts: 13130 Location: The depth of hell...
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
darklilkaoz wrote:
i hate communism because they suck sooo bad which means governments rule over the country and try to do watever the heck they wanna do
You should say that you hate the government, instead of the idea of communism. The idea was original meant to make a place in which everyone is equal, and everyone gets equal. However, the one who's controlling the party somehow got wicked, and turn the party into his machine for power, and crush the ones who opposed him...
okay fine i took the quote out of context .
i have no faith in the UN. I think its totally undermined because its not really an independent body but a collection of entities. it has no concrete power by itself but is beholden to its members. You can see its powerlessess in the way that some powerful countries (one certain permanent member in particular) lie, and disregard its rulings at whim. Whats more, they use the UN to pressure weaker countries into line. The UN has even become an arena where they propagate their agendas. Sec State Powell's WMD speech at a UN conference was a major part of the administration's campaign for war (much of the speech which was based on shaky, unverifiable, misinterpreted evidence has now been discredited). More recent is the uncovering of the food for oil scandal which sparked a major inquiry into the dealings of high ranking UN officials responsible for the food for oil program.
Considering that the equivalent of the annual budget for the UN is spent every 36 hours by the US military, I'd say the UN has been amazingly effective in distributing aid and keeping some semblance of order in the world. Is it very beaurocratic and tedious? Oh yes, I've done Model UN extensively and during many sessions, I was reasonably close to just falling asleep. But taking into account the amount of power and money delegated to it, the UN makes pretty good use of them.
Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 795 Location: between here and there
Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 11:27 pm Post subject:
The ideals of communism is something that while appealing is not always pratical as it tends to put power in the hand of one group or indiviual and you know what they say "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely" So while there is probably just as much corruption in a capitalist society, I think I prefer the checks and balances of democracy
I don't know about this..... umm... for me, communism isn't bad, it's just that...
It makes a country poor. Ne?
Have you ever seen a country benefit from it? Capitalist countries have a sense of hierarchy in it, giving a sense of direction, idolism, patriotism (sort of). Communist countries mostly gets very poor..... maybe because there isn't a single person who stands out as a rich guy..
Everyone is equal.
A country drowned in a sea of sameness...... it gets boring. Plus, no one is allowed to get rich. Not that I want to be rich. It's just that, no one gets a chance to be productive.
You work hard to be rewarded, but in communism, you just work. I don't like it. _________________ EX-mod
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