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Just saw ep2. lol, for a minute there I thought the guy in the mech was Kira...
At least I think I got a reason to follow the show. The stuff these guys are saying during the battles is simply hilarious... Though I don't think that was the writers' intention Especially the new blonde chick is great comedy material. I can already visualize the freaking out and overdramatization she'll go through and how she'll get together with Shin.
Anyway, there were even more striking similarities (which add a lot the hilarity of the show) with the first season in this ep.
I was just about to think that they might change a few things when the masked guy decided to jump into the battle and spoiled it all. Of course there's a new good blonde pilot guy with the same sort of "sense" for the new evil masked guy as the deceased good blonde pilot dude from the first season had for the old evil masked guy (except that now the masked guy is in a spaceship and the good blonde guy in a mech). There's also the new captain chick (who looks like a combo of the two captain chicks in the first season). I look forward to seeing her boobs bounce when her ship gets hit. Finally, to wrap things up, the plant gets wrecked, the new mega-powerful ship launches, and the masked guy goes to capture the Shin's Gundam while the good blond guy rushes to stop him...
at that point I couldn't help but burst into laughter.
Seriously, this show is surpassing all my expectations with its bs.
It sure took a long long time before any of them got wrecked though. And as Yebyosh said by others of their super-mecha kind when the writers thought it would be cool to wreck them for dramatic effect. Btw you really have an 'aswer' for any bs in Gundam, don't you? You're taking this too seriously, man.
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 12:09 am Post subject:
I wonder how many people here are true Gundam followers ( as in following the whole range of Gundam series? ) I am certainly not one, having only watched not more than 5 of the series at the most, and some of them being vague rememberances from years, years ago and not being even complete series since I missed them on the TV then
Anyway to help those of us who are not so in the know, there is this pretty comprehensive Gundam site with synopses of every episode of every series to date ( I think ), do not forget to read the Gundam for Dummies as well.
On the episode, does anyone not consider it strange that a military force will deploy a pilot who has a phobia about death? That condition is possible to trigger at any time ( claiming that only by hearing the word will it trigger, would seriously be too ridiculous and corny. Even the sight of a dead corpse on the floor should trigger it ) and is a severe liability since it compulses the affected pilot to panic and flee to preserve his/her life ( note: said pilot did not go berserk but single-mindedly fled instead ). It seems totally stupid and is not an oversight by the employer since the fellow soldiers know of the soldier's condition and were able to exploit it to their advantage. The way they use this phobia on a character is kind of over-dramatic ( and illogical ), right?
I agree with what most people have said in this thread. This latest gundam is a pure rehash of all gundams before it especially SEED, but after watching ep two, even if you don't think too much of it...
you have to admit it is pretty entertaining.. even the corny parts... or else there wouldn't be so many of us replying in this topic.
I still get that gundam awe feeling when I watch Destiny...
On the episode, does anyone not consider it strange that a military force will deploy a pilot who has a phobia about death? That condition is possible to trigger at any time ( claiming that only by hearing the word will it trigger, would seriously be too ridiculous and corny. Even the sight of a dead corpse on the floor should trigger it ) and is a severe liability since it compulses the affected pilot to panic and flee to preserve his/her life ( note: said pilot did not go berserk but single-mindedly fled instead ). It seems totally stupid and is not an oversight by the employer since the fellow soldiers know of the soldier's condition and were able to exploit it to their advantage. The way they use this phobia on a character is kind of over-dramatic ( and illogical ), right?
well, in char's counterattack they used quess to power one of the better zeon suits(don remeber wat its called...but its pretty damn big) and quess was one messed up psychotic girl, mayb not as bad tho...more like frey from seed. they used her for her newtype abilities, mayhaps she has some abilities? anyway, in general all mecha pilots in most, if not all series have some sort of serious mental defect. _________________
Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:45 am Post subject:
darkhunger wrote:
Yebyosh wrote:
Actually I am curious why they need to dodge every weapon since their PS armours are supposed to be able to take on non-beam weaponries and I thought that not all mechas had beams. In fact, why do they bother firing the gatlings at other PS Gundams if they would not even damage them in any way...
PS energy drains out if it gets hit a lot. I think this was covered in Ep 17 or 18 of SEED. The BuCues were able to cause a PS-down after barraging Strike with missiles (and Andy was able to keep track of how much it could take before going down)
From www.mahq.com, from his synopsis of episode 18 and it says...
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He knows that enough hits from a conventional warhead will overpower the Phase Shift armor, and he also knows that the beam rifle sucks power out of the Strike Gundam's battery.
and from his specs on Strike,
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Like the other prototype Gundams, the Strike Gundam is equipped with the new Phase Shift (PS) armor technology. When in Phase Shift mode, the Strike Gundam is nearly impervious to attacks from shell-firing artillery or melee weapons. However, use of Phase Shift for extended periods of time is a massive drain on the battery-powered reactor.
So PS has a limit, akin to saying it can only take a 1.5 Megaton nuclear hit before being damaged damage it, so you can fire 10x150 kilotonne conventional missles at one point to damage that area. Additional battery drain is only from firing beam rifles ( or other big-ass weaponry ).
Still makes no sense to have Gundams firing gatlings at each other...
haroT3k, what I found issue with was not that Stellar is mentally unstable but her nature of psychosis. If she was a bloodthirsty freak that keep drooling and yelling for blood in battle, fine by me! Excellent, I would say... However, Stellar is a violent girl who suddenly turns into a "Run away!!! Run away!!! OMG, run away!!!" when she receive hints that she might die. In a battlefield where death is common, I as a commander would find such a soldier a liability...
Btw you really have an 'aswer' for any bs in Gundam, don't you? You're taking this too seriously, man.
I'm just enlightening my fellow mankind with Gundam wisdom that I've been blessed with. That's all.
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At least I think I got a reason to follow the show. The stuff these guys are saying during the battles is simply hilarious... Though I don't think that was the writers' intention
Actually I'd think that its the contrary... A LOT of the stuff said are quite obviously meant to be intentionally funny, such as the bridge scenes. It seems that the director trying is to revive a sort of typical old-school, 70's-style fast pace battles with cheesy dialogue. And the more fanfare-like background music and the combination sequences seem to support that. I guess its all part of Bandai's efforts to bring back old Gundam fans which Seed failed to get.
Yebyosh wrote:
I wonder how many people here are true Gundam followers ( as in following the whole range of Gundam series? ) I am certainly not one, having only watched not more than 5 of the series at the most, and some of them being vague rememberances from years, years ago and not being even complete series since I missed them on the TV then
Well, I've only decided to finish all the Gundam series after watching Seed last year (I was bored). But I guess that made me a huge fan(boy?) of this. Though even to this day I haven't finshed Turn A Gundam because I can't find it. I haven't seen anyone else here like me though
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Still makes no sense to have Gundams firing gatlings at each other...
It's a good distraction. Those bright lights coming at you. Plus its hard to tell whether things are beam or projectile when everything's flashing by you quicky during an MS battle.
Yebyosh wrote:
haroT3k, what I found issue with was not that Stellar is mentally unstable but her nature of psychosis. If she was a bloodthirsty freak that keep drooling and yelling for blood in battle, fine by me! Excellent, I would say... However, Stellar is a violent girl who suddenly turns into a "Run away!!! Run away!!! OMG, run away!!!" when she receive hints that she might die. In a battlefield where death is common, I as a commander would find such a soldier a liability...
Not if she can cut down 20 soldiers with a knife. Or learn how to pilot a mobile suit right after she got it. Sometimes the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, especially in a covert-op operation like this which requires specialty skills. Besides, she's afraid that she'd die, not of death in general, so its not as easy to trigger the phobia as you'd think.
Joined: Jun 15, 2003 Posts: 1715 Location: South East Asia
Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:13 am Post subject:
darkhunger wrote:
Well, I've only decided to finish all the Gundam series after watching Seed last year (I was bored). But I guess that made me a huge fan(boy?) of this. Though even to this day I haven't finshed Turn A Gundam because I can't find it. I haven't seen anyone else here like me though
darkhunger, the resident Gundam Otaku!!! I betcha he goes around wearing a helmet similar to the head of that avatar of his, just like that weirdo in Fapner *ducks to dodge the flying helmet*
darkhunger wrote:
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Still makes no sense to have Gundams firing gatlings at each other...
It's a good distraction. Those bright lights coming at you. Plus its hard to tell whether things are beam or projectile when everything's flashing by you quicky during an MS battle.
Not the way it is shown, no Gundam pilot ever got distracted by those bright lights. In fact, they just go 'ping, ping, ping' but the pilots just roar and charge on generally.
darkhunger wrote:
Not if she can cut down 20 soldiers with a knife. Or learn how to pilot a mobile suit right after she got it. Sometimes the advantages outweigh the disadvantages, especially in a covert-op operation like this which requires specialty skills. Besides, she's afraid that she'd die, not of death in general, so its not as easy to trigger the phobia as you'd think.
Death phobia can be easily triggered by seeing another's corpse. It is an easy impression of your own impending doom. If you have such a phobia, you will be easily reminded by what can be, akin to those 'these dead bodies suddenly look like the protagnists' dead relatives'-inducing angsty flashback scenes. Stellar however has this amazing 'specific'-trigger neurosis that is only triggered because someone says 'die'. Seriously, psychologists major would be dying to get the chance to study how to control such phobias so specifically. If someone has a phobia of spiders, they would instantly react at anything that has eight legs, calming down only when they see it is not a spider ( some do not even calm down at all ). To have Stellar seeing death all around and not be affected until someone hints that she might die is simply hard to take at face value.
Thanks for Gundam Official, it complements MAHQ, though not beating it ( MAHQ already has stuff on Destiny while GO still is plodding through Seed ).
darkhunger, the resident Gundam Otaku!!! I betcha he goes around wearing a helmet similar to the head of that avatar of his, just like that weirdo in Fapner *ducks to dodge the flying helmet*
My avatar is the Turn A Gundam, you know, not a helmet...
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Not the way it is shown, no Gundam pilot ever got distracted by those bright lights. In fact, they just go 'ping, ping, ping' but the pilots just roar and charge on generally.
The fact is, vulcan guns almost NEVER do any damage in ANY series against ANY suits. They are just there for show. And to distract like I said.
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Death phobia can be easily triggered by seeing another's corpse. It is an easy impression of your own impending doom. If you have such a phobia, you will be easily reminded by what can be, akin to those 'these dead bodies suddenly look like the protagnists' dead relatives'-inducing angsty flashback scenes. Stellar however has this amazing 'specific'-trigger neurosis that is only triggered because someone says 'die'. Seriously, psychologists major would be dying to get the chance to study how to control such phobias so specifically. If someone has a phobia of spiders, they would instantly react at anything that has eight legs, calming down only when they see it is not a spider ( some do not even calm down at all ). To have Stellar seeing death all around and not be affected until someone hints that she might die is simply hard to take at face value.
Well, take note that she's not your present day mental patient. She's obviously been through some sort of mental conditioning that toughen her up, and probably some brainwashing too (she wears her EA uniform like its a ZAFT uniform, and with the ZAFT belt too...). So its quite possible that this problem was something "programmed" into her. This is a future where its possible to manipulate genes such that people are immune to diseases, have giant robots walking around blowing things up and have a guy's brain programmed into a computer and act as a ship's captain after all...
BTW Stellar is actually very similar to Rosamia Badan from Zeta Gundam in terms of their psychotic state.
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Thanks for Gundam Official, it complements MAHQ, though not beating it ( MAHQ already has stuff on Destiny while GO still is plodding through Seed ).
Well, Gundam Official only has stuff on US licensed Gundam series... So...
Besides, sometimes wrong info can pop up on MAHQ... Won't happen with Gundamofficial since its *official* (actually the two webmasters get much of their info from Japanese publications... And occasionally submit things to MAHQ too... But they ARE doing this for money)
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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 8:52 pm Post subject:
darkhunger wrote:
My avatar is the Turn A Gundam, you know, not a helmet...
Yes, I know that. What I said was that you might be wearing a helmet that is modeled after that head. Do you like Chibi Seed avatars? I might be making a couple of them to put on this site soon ( notice there is a lack of Gundam avatars - characters or mecha - on this site )
darkhunger wrote:
The fact is, vulcan guns almost NEVER do any damage in ANY series against ANY suits. They are just there for show. And to distract like I said.
That is the whole argument presented there. It is useless. They are ineffective against any suit in the show ( wait... I remember in Wing, a few OZs were destroyed with gatlings, I think... also I think there was a scene where a Gundam fired his gatlings into the breached portion of another mecha's suit that inflicted damage or was that another non-Gundam show.... *hmm* ). Getting back to the point, since everyone knows they are ineffective, they are no distraction since Gundam pilots do not even bother to dodge those gatling rounds at all. So what is the whole point of firing them off in the first place?
Gatlings are also not useless. They are supposed to induce fraticide by firing at the mass of incoming missiles, but it seems nowadays the new pilots just dodge with super boosts or induce fraticide with their new-fangled beam weapons because of better special effects. *sigh*
darkhunger wrote:
Well, take note that she's not your present day mental patient. She's obviously been through some sort of mental conditioning that toughen her up, and probably some brainwashing too (she wears her EA uniform like its a ZAFT uniform, and with the ZAFT belt too...). So its quite possible that this problem was something "programmed" into her. This is a future where its possible to manipulate genes such that people are immune to diseases, have giant robots walking around blowing things up and have a guy's brain programmed into a computer and act as a ship's captain after all...
BTW Stellar is actually very similar to Rosamia Badan from Zeta Gundam in terms of their psychotic state.
Like I stated earlier, their psychosis are similar but it is the triggering mechanism that I find ludicrous. Not having watched Zeta, I would speculate that seeing colonies or seeing colonies about to be dropped or destroyed in flames would induce Rosamia to some near psychotic state if she appeared normal at first. However we have someone fearing death itself here, not the recursion of seeing her family die in a colony drop.
A valid explanation I can think of is that this is all part of hypnotic mental control. Stellar might be a superb soldier but probably has some background issues that would prevent her complete compliance with orders ( most likely pulling out of battles ). To 'induce' her to do so, a program was implemented to put a hypnotic suggestion into her mind to go into a blind panic to retreat if the trigger was given to her. Plausible but the commander would be stupid to render your best fighting unit into a culpability in this manner.
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Thanks for Gundam Official, it complements MAHQ, though not beating it ( MAHQ already has stuff on Destiny while GO still is plodding through Seed ).
darkhunger wrote:
Well, Gundam Official only has stuff on US licensed Gundam series... So...
Besides, sometimes wrong info can pop up on MAHQ... Won't happen with Gundamofficial since its *official* (actually the two webmasters get much of their info from Japanese publications... And occasionally submit things to MAHQ too... But they ARE doing this for money)
So... GO is not run by Bandai USA? MAHQ is a fansite but the webmaster seems keen enough to go round correcting any errors if any.
Yes, I know that. What I said was that you might be wearing a helmet that is modeled after that head.
Hmm... I wouldn't be doing that unfortunately... But I might be tempted to wear that Turn A moustache though... Its much cooler than the helmet...
Yebyosh wrote:
That is the whole argument presented there. It is useless. They are ineffective against any suit in the show ( wait... I remember in Wing, a few OZs were destroyed with gatlings, I think... also I think there was a scene where a Gundam fired his gatlings into the breached portion of another mecha's suit that inflicted damage or was that another non-Gundam show.... *hmm* ).
Yeah, I was thinking of Wing when I put "almost" there...
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Gatlings are also not useless. They are supposed to induce fraticide by firing at the mass of incoming missiles, but it seems nowadays the new pilots just dodge with super boosts or induce fraticide with their new-fangled beam weapons because of better special effects. *sigh*
Its also used in dealing with infantry. But anyway, let's just say there are plenty of times gatlings were used in Gundam even though its supposed to be "useless" (the best examples are probably in G Gundam which is supposed to be a martial arts fighting anime, but in between punches and kicks the Shining/God Gundam always seem to pull off a few vulcan rounds even though they don't do anything)... The same with missiles. I guess its just one of those things where "its there, so why not use it?"
BTW when DID a Gundam use the vulcans on another in Destiny? Gaia used it on the Impulse but that was before Stellar found out that it has Phase Shift... When else?
darkhunger wrote:
Like I stated earlier, their psychosis are similar but it is the triggering mechanism that I find ludicrous. Not having watched Zeta, I would speculate that seeing colonies or seeing colonies about to be dropped or destroyed in flames would induce Rosamia to some near psychotic state if she appeared normal at first. However we have someone fearing death itself here, not the recursion of seeing her family die in a colony drop.
Well, not really... Being the Tomino character she is, Rosamia's much more random than that. Plus some of her memory is implant and some aren't. But since its been a while since I saw Zeta (will rewatch it once the DVDs are out), I won't go into specifics...
But anyway, that's what I meant before, that Stellar condition could be artificially implanted so that they can control her.
Of course, if Stellar's condition is a natural occurence though, I still don't think that its that impossible. THis seems to be a combination of death-phobia and the belief that certain traumatic events can revert a person back to a child-like state of mind. If you ask me that's exactly how she is right now. If someone tells her specifically that she will die, she freaks out because she believes in everything that is told to her like a child would, but if there's a dead guy in front of her, she doesn't really comprehend that its death. I am no psychology major but this kind of stuff seems to be done a lot in shows and movies so I don't see anything wrong with it.
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So... GO is not run by Bandai USA? MAHQ is a fansite but the webmaster seems keen enough to go round correcting any errors if any.
Yeah GundamOfficial is run by Bandai Entertainment, but its webmasters are veterans of what used to be the premiere English site on the Internet, Gundam Project. It had much more information about stuff other than mecha and episode guides that MAHQ will ever have, so Gundam Official is to be the reenactment of that site.
But anyway, MAHQ is an excellent site for mecha and episode info I guess. Though I'd just wish that the webmaster concentrate more on some neglected parts of the site (like some of the sidestories like Crossbone Gundam and Gundam Sentinel) more.
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Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2004 2:18 am Post subject:
darkhunger wrote:
Hmm... I wouldn't be doing that unfortunately... But I might be tempted to wear that Turn A moustache though... Its much cooler than the helmet...
Agreed and I think everyone would like to see someone parading that "upturned" moustache around.
darkhunger wrote:
Of course, if Stellar's condition is a natural occurence though, I still don't think that its that impossible. THis seems to be a combination of death-phobia and the belief that certain traumatic events can revert a person back to a child-like state of mind. If you ask me that's exactly how she is right now. If someone tells her specifically that she will die, she freaks out because she believes in everything that is told to her like a child would, but if there's a dead guy in front of her, she doesn't really comprehend that its death. I am no psychology major but this kind of stuff seems to be done a lot in shows and movies so I don't see anything wrong with it.
I think what she supposedly has is "Thantophobia" or "Thanatophobia". If you have taken a look at phobias and their triggers, conditions reminding them of their phobias are enough to trigger it in various degrees. I have already pointed the one about spiders ( arachnophobia ). For those fearing buried alive ( Taphephobia ), they can take it to extremes such as refusing getting into elevators ( and getting mistaken for claustrophobia ) and the task of pulling the blanket over their heads will still give them fear. The state of seeing dead people close up or being in a pecarious situation, like a heated battle, are possible triggers to push a thanatophobic into the phobic stage or at the minimum a uncomfortable feeling. I do not buy the way they implemented this into the anime.
Even if it is artificially implanted, it is still stupid for a commander to plan to have such a device to make their unit blindly panic and run away.
A better way of implemention would be to create a berserker state that is used to overcome thanatophobia ( a complicated but possible and proven case ). However then Stellar will never pull out.
I can already foresee how this phobia will be used to set up the romance between her and Shin, I just find their way of triggering it inappropriate ( as AlDim says it, it was just trying to be dramatic ).
I think what she supposedly has is "Thantophobia" or "Thanatophobia". If you have taken a look at phobias and their triggers, conditions reminding them of their phobias are enough to trigger it in various degrees. I have already pointed the one about spiders ( arachnophobia ). For those fearing buried alive ( Taphephobia ), they can take it to extremes such as refusing getting into elevators ( and getting mistaken for claustrophobia ) and the task of pulling the blanket over their heads will still give them fear. The state of seeing dead people close up or being in a pecarious situation, like a heated battle, are possible triggers to push a thanatophobic into the phobic stage or at the minimum a uncomfortable feeling. I do not buy the way they implemented this into the anime.
OK, I guess I didn't explain it very well up there.
But a typical thanatophobic person does NOT have a mental state like Stellar's either. From what we've seen. her mental condition is much worse than being just a person who fears death. Like I mentioned above, she's normally repressed to a childlike state who does not seem very aware of her surroundings. She is also schizophrenic, and becomes extremely obsessed with fighting. So obviously you can't apply typical "triggers" on a character like her, because once again, she's NOT you typical mental patient.
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Even if it is artificially implanted, it is still stupid for a commander to plan to have such a device to make their unit blindly panic and run away.
I thought I already explained this? The pros outnumber the cons. So its not stupid.
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I can already foresee how this phobia will be used to set up the romance between her and Shin, I just find their way of triggering it inappropriate ( as AlDim says it, it was just trying to be dramatic ).
It's actually more or less a modern day reenaction of the old Gundam romances between enemies, most prominently the one between Kamille and Four Murasame in Zeta Gundam. Four was also mentally unstable as a result of being an artificial Newtype.
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Just for some laughter to lighten the mood Some NewType ( the manga fanzine ) Yonkoma strips to advertise Cellphones in Japan featuring the Seed cast.
i still dont understand how her pros out number her cons...
sure she could drive the mobile suit, but wat good is that if she doesnt listen to orders, and the possiblity of her morels to be crushed in less than a mere seconds. _________________
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Especially the new blonde chick is great comedy material. I can already visualize the freaking out and overdramatization she'll go through and how she'll get together with Shin.
You're taking this too seriously, man.
However, Stellar is a violent girl who suddenly turns into a "Run away!!! Run away!!! OMG, run away!!!" when she receive hints that she might die. In a battlefield where death is common, I as a commander would find such a soldier a liability...
