Bandai cracks down on Piracy

youthinasia888 · Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject:

I'm all for making thing more afforadable and therefore more accessible for the average joe. But when you rip off licensed goods; the property of another person, organization, company, it's called THEFT. All you have to do to understand the principle is start your own company, produce your own goods, and then see how you feel after someone rips you off, copies your products and produces and sells knock-offs. How would you feel then? It's not about the money, it's about what is the law and what is wrong and right.

Reeder5002 · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:19 am Post subject:

well i put myself in theit shoes sometimes and i can really understand where there comming from. I do feel pretty bad sometimes especially when i watch something thats been liscened. Its a cruel world.
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Warukyure · newbie! Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 12

Downloading stuff whether its anime or music isn't any better don't see why bootleg is bad

with bootleg im not paying them and with dling im not spending anything

so does that make dling as bad as bootleg?

MiddleMan · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 9:35 am Post subject:

With bootleg somones making money. I was a victom of bootleg, It was either the perfect collection of Cowboy Bebop or Outlawstar that they had put there email and stuff in it, then they made it show up every once and a while, it really pissed me off.

Genji · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 71

Unless you dl a bootleg then it's bad. Fansubs are mostly free so it's only fair to keep it free.

In my country an original DVD costs so much they won't make money out of it. A good sample is Viz's Shonen Jump based on the Suggested Retail Price they sell it here for 3x the price. Most of the anime DVDs are sold by specialty shops so. Unless the big companies get local distributors that will bring lower prices some people will just have to depend on some bootlegs.

I don't agree in buying bootlegs but still price matters. Fansubs will still remain as a major source of anime for most. I can only support them through other merchandise which will also help the anime to progress from 12 to 24 and so on episodes.

MiddleMan · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:03 am Post subject:

I mentioned above about the prefect collection sets. I looked around on animenation and it dosnt look like they have any, does that mean that the perfect collections are bootleg's to? If so does it mean that if i want to buy the serious I need to buy all the disks for it not to be.

atikiN · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:12 am Post subject:

Kaiser · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:19 pm Post subject:

Again fansubbing is ALL free. When fansubbers start charging for their work, they become bootleggers no matter if its a digital, CD or DVD copy.

I know price is a concern for everyone since most people are students here but there is no where that says you MUST own a particular DVD. If you can't afford a car, that doesn't mean you go to the black market and buy a stolen one off someone does it?

Same applies to anime or other media. Save up your money, buy the DVDs you think are worth the money and price and you'll be proud to show your other friends your anime collection instead being embarassed about a bootleg collection.

If our attitudes don't change about bootlegging, then the situation won't change as well. Anime will remain a niche market because there isn't enough consumers to lower the costs, but if everyone buys official anime DVDs, i'm pretty sure prices will get lower as the market expands.

One example would be Evangelion, when I bought the dvds there were no boxsets and each DVD was about 35 CDN. Several years later the DVDs are around 20-25 CDN per DVD and you can find them at shops like Future Shop. End of Evangelion was 21 CDN... something like 15 USD, poor excuse not to go out and buy the official DVDs.
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Warukyure · newbie! Joined: Jun 25, 2004 Posts: 12

Ya it might go down to $21 CDN but how long does that take

ya know eva isn't the newest of all anime its like what...?
how many years is it?

And who says people are embarassed by bootleg, hell i got a lot, my friends have a lot, and like geez my friend just bought FMP yesterday for like $48 for all episodes

I dont see it as ripping off the company i see it as 'competive shopping'

Smeggy · Yari Ashigaru Joined: Nov 08, 2002 Posts: 361 Location: Uk

In my opinion, the only real reason that fansubbing has been allowed to stay in the grey area by the liscence companies is because no one is making a profit, and it serves as advertisement.

As soon as you begin to charge for it, it doesn't really act as an advertisement any more, as most people won't pay twice for something, unlike free fansubs where they will only pay once (if they choose to buy) and get much better quality too Smile

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toot · Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 10:03 pm Post subject:

Genji · Heimin (Commoner) Joined: Apr 04, 2004 Posts: 71

Then is it just me or the fansubs here are removed entirely? Did one of the companies demand something on AS? Crying or Very sad

Kaiser · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 1:51 am Post subject:

No, just not many updates by fansubbing groups recently.

I should probably mention we don't usually include releases that don't have BT or solid http distro link.
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LoneWolf367 · newbie! Joined: Aug 05, 2002 Posts: 1 Location: USA

This is a interesting topic. I was there at AX when they shut down the booths. People don't get much dumber than that. I mean they have ADV right across the room!

I have a buddy who got a bootleg of Cowboy Bebop, man... I've never seen such terrible subbing in my life. Bootlegs crappy quality and by purchasing them other folks get screwed over. That isn't fair even though it saves the buyer a buck. Besides if nobody pirated and bootleged than the prices would probably drop and anime might have a chance to cost as much as other DVD's.

As far as legalities, aren't fansubs illegal? Isn't there some kind of agreement now with several countries making so if it's copyrighted in one its copyrighted in all the rest under that? On the boards at TechTV.com they say its illegal Razz

Anyways, I hate when I see people selling "VCD's" of anime on Ebay because you know they are fansubbs. Fansubs are freely avalible to everyone and people who do that are no better than the boot leggers. Both take away and make profit off someone elses work and that's just messed.

Kaiser · Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:47 am Post subject:

Fansubbing is illegal, but tolerated by most anime companies because there are benefits in fansubs promoting anime and other little quirks. Companies however expect fansubbers to stop subbing a series once its licensed in North America.

Bootleggers on the other hand are in this for straight piracy. There is no helping the anime industry and it is just plain stealing from the studios who brought us the anime in the first place.

A-Source is now officially anti-piracy. I will be eliminating banner sponsors who sell bootleg "import" dvds, if you happen to see any bootlegs in our advertisers please post them here or send me a private message. Thanks.
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