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quosimos
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The True Nature of Mankind is something like Carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen and small bits of other stuff all mixed together....
Thats the true nature |
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GinjiAmano77
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| Happy_Dojo wrote: |
| you can't really define good and evil because what seems good to one person could be considered evil by another. if it was so simple to label acts good and evil i would still say that man is both. man has the choice to be good or not, the reason why more evil acts are known of than the good acts is because it's easier to do "evil" things than it is to do good things |
Ok then..... so do you think that human laws are valid then??
cause I know for a fact that different countries have different laws...
because without making clear what is wrong or right, we can do anything and say it was neither right or wrong
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Happy_Dojo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| GinjiAmano77 wrote: |
Ok then..... so do you think that human laws are valid then??
cause I know for a fact that different countries have different laws...
because without making clear what is wrong or right, we can do anything and say it was neither right or wrong |
man made laws are derived from religous perspectives such as murder and thievery, god decreed that they were a sin and in those times religion was much more influentional hence they became laws.
they designed to keep the population in a sense of stability and normality of mans point of views in order to prevent riots and revolutions as you will notice that countries that have laws that upset the populace always results in riots and revolutions.
i think human laws are valid because they are there in order to prevent the chaos mentioned above, but that doesn't make them wright or wrong. yes we all have different views on what's wright or wrong, good and evil such as killing, abortions and euthanasia but the rules/laws are there to prevent chaos.
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GinjiAmano77
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Happy_Dojo wrote: |
| GinjiAmano77 wrote: |
Ok then..... so do you think that human laws are valid then??
cause I know for a fact that different countries have different laws...
because without making clear what is wrong or right, we can do anything and say it was neither right or wrong |
man made laws are derived from religous perspectives such as murder and thievery, god decreed that they were a sin and in those times religion was much more influentional hence they became laws.
they designed to keep the population in a sense of stability and normality of mans point of views in order to prevent riots and revolutions as you will notice that countries that have laws that upset the populace always results in riots and revolutions.
i think human laws are valid because they are there in order to prevent the chaos mentioned above, but that doesn't make them wright or wrong. yes we all have different views on what's wright or wrong, good and evil such as killing, abortions and euthanasia but the rules/laws are there to prevent chaos. |
But then which law should I listen to? A law made by another man?
What right does that man have to create a law that I should listen to?
What if I were to create another law? Should another listen to my law??
You know that over time that men have created laws like we cannot drink below the age of 21... while in UK, I heard the age limit is 16... now which one is right??
How bout the in the middle eastern countries? Where laws over there have lesser regard for females? Do we follow that as well?
Do we have to only base our laws on different views?
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Happy_Dojo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| GinjiAmano77 wrote: |
But then which law should I listen to? A law made by another man?
What right does that man have to create a law that I should listen to?
What if I were to create another law? Should another listen to my law?? |
you listen to the law laid down whether it's made by man or not, just remember why that law is there. that man has the right to make a law that benefits society, if you don't want to obey that law you must be prepared to suffer the consequances of your actions or move to place that doesn't have that particular law. people can't just create laws for no reason, there must be a cause, the law has to have a high chance of changing that cause and it must be petioned and accepted by the ruling government .
you would have to be incharge of something to create your own laws and if someone wanted to borrow or use that something then they would have to listen an accept your rules and be prepared for the consequances that would follow if they broke your rules.
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GinjiAmano77
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| Happy_Dojo wrote: |
| GinjiAmano77 wrote: |
But then which law should I listen to? A law made by another man?
What right does that man have to create a law that I should listen to?
What if I were to create another law? Should another listen to my law?? |
you listen to the law laid down whether it's made by man or not, just remember why that law is there. that man has the right to make a law that benefits society, if you don't want to obey that law you must be prepared to suffer the consequances of your actions or move to place that doesn't have that particular law. people can't just create laws for no reason, there must be a cause, the law has to have a high chance of changing that cause and it must be petioned and accepted by the ruling government .
you would have to be incharge of something to create your own laws and if someone wanted to borrow or use that something then they would have to listen an accept your rules and be prepared for the consequances that would follow if they broke your rules. |
hmmmm..... ok then, then it is safe to say that we should not have attacked Iraq because they were making a nuclear arms program?
Wasn't Saddam Hussein doing it in the benefit of his own country???
Why then should America have to interfere in other country's business??
Do they have the right to interfere in the benefit of others?
Why can't others have nuclear weapons to defend their own countries??
Isn't it to their own benefit?
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Happy_Dojo
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AHHHHH SO BRIGHT AFTER STARING AT RED AHHHHH.  LOL.
yes america illegaly attacked iraq, but that was america breaking the rules and as such more and more nations a starting to oppose america and the bush government. but thats got nothing to do with the nature of man.
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GinjiAmano77
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 2:52 am Post subject: |
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AHHHHH SO BRIGHT AFTER STARING AT RED AHHHHH. LOL.
yes america illegaly attacked iraq, but that was america breaking the rules and as such more and more nations a starting to oppose america and the bush government. but thats got nothing to do with the nature of man. |
*giggles* yeah, this color is nicer for me... But......
Errr....... nothing to do with the Nature of Man????
Isn't President Bush a man??
Isn't America a country that is run by men and, of course, women??
Don't tell me that the robots are making decisions for them.... (reminds me of Metal Gear Solid 2)
and what are the rules??
whose rules?? United Nations??
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Happy_Dojo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:04 am Post subject: |
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*starts rubbing eyes* ahh too bright, go back to red.
well it does have to do with nature of man but not good and evil, only that man can push their views and opinions on each other too often and too easily.
yes the UNs rules america signed the UN treaty meaning they had to abide by the rules of the united nations. the only reason the UN agreed at the end to invade iraq was because they believed that the end justified the means.
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GinjiAmano77
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 3:12 am Post subject: |
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| Happy_Dojo wrote: |
*starts rubbing eyes* ahh too bright, go back to red.
well it does have to do with nature of man but not good and evil, only that man can push their views and opinions on each other too often and too easily.
yes the UNs rules america signed the UN treaty meaning they had to abide by the rules of the united nations. the only reason the UN agreed at the end to invade iraq was because they believed that the end justified the means. |
Hmm... nothing to do with good and evil??
Ok, then why do they claim that the attack on Iraq is for the GOOD of the USA?
Their basis for attacking Iraq is because they felt that it was the RIGHT thing to do.....
Still think that is has nothing to do between good and evil?
the UN agreed at the end to invade iraq was because they believed that the end JUSTIFIED the means....
definition of Justified: To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid
hmmm..... so in the end, the UN agreed to break the rules by agreeing to the attack, so the UN should suffer consequences, isn't that correct??
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which leads back to my original argument that good and evil is defined by a person themself and that man is capable of both.
and it was for the good of america they got oil royalties from it doesn't make it right in my opinion.
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GinjiAmano77
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 6:45 am Post subject: |
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which leads back to my original argument that good and evil is defined by a person themself and that man is capable of both.
and it was for the good of america they got oil royalties from it doesn't make it right in my opinion. |
So basically, we all write our own moral law cause we define good and evil by ourselves......
That brings chaos doesn't it??
That's the reason why we all HAVE TO HAVE a COMMON LAW
You even mentioned it yourself when you said that we have laws so that there won't be riots and a big mess....
so doesn't that imply for the Moral Law as well?
doesn't there have to be a certain Common Moral Law that is absolute for there to be an order?
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Happy_Dojo
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[quote="GinjiAmano77
So basically, we all write our own moral law cause we define good and evil by ourselves......
That brings chaos doesn't it??
That's the reason why we all HAVE TO HAVE a COMMON LAW
You even mentioned it yourself when you said that we have laws so that there won't be riots and a big mess....
so doesn't that imply for the Moral Law as well?
doesn't there have to be a certain Common Moral Law that is absolute for there to be an order?[/quote]
moral law is a law that you yourself have decided to live by in a society you are living in, meaning that it is created from you own ethics of good and evil.
an absolute common law is impossible due to everyone being different and countries having different laws to others, the reason why utter chaos hasn't rained upon the world is because countries generally respect each others and stay out of their affairs.
as a singular conscious you live by your own ethics allowed by your society, as a populace you live by the rules of the government which you voted for lays down. that's why countries arn't in chaos all the time.
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Bowser
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Its not about evil or good, if we were to fit in just one category we wouldnt have free will.
Anyway, this should be able to explaine the demonic human theory i mencioned befor:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/longterm/books/chap1/demonicmales.htm
be warned: this is very long and is an account of their reserch and dosnt realy explain anything in detail, but its still an enteresting read.
quos>off topic: nice to see you using wikipedia. |
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