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Who will win when Squall and Cloud fight each other?
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silverkitsune Daimyo
Joined: Sep 01, 2005 Posts: 1818 Location: Milk comes in bags here.
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject:
If you look at this in entirely character status point of view, FFVIII characters definately has the edge. If you junctioned Squall correctly, you can be completely immune to almost all status attacks, achieve 9999 HP easily, achieve very high defence, increase your normal attack damage to max (9999) for every swing, start out battles in auto hasted condition, and just cast a aura on yourself in beginning of the battle and you got yourself a trigger happy killing machine that uses limit breaks every turn...
To make Squall even more ridiculously strong, have Rinoa in your party and have her in aura condition so she might cast Invincible Moon on your party. Then you have a whole team that uses limit breaks every turn AND are INVINCIBLE to every attack enemy throws. _________________ [IMG:258:200]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/ypark/sigs/3fsn.png[/img]
Cloud of course!!~in AC his buster sword had been 'upgraded' man. And in KH Cloud is also much Stronger then Squall. But the limit breaks...i'll say equally matched.
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:44 pm Post subject:
EdMonD wrote:
Cloud of course!!~in AC his buster sword had been 'upgraded' man. And in KH Cloud is also much Stronger then Squall. But the limit breaks...i'll say equally matched.
People need to stop judging this fight based on who has the bigger sword.
IT'S NOT HOW BIG THE SWORD IS!
It's how it's used, is what counts.
And I thought in Kingdom Hearts... if I remember... In the Hades Cup, when you fight Cloud and Squall at the same time, doesn't Squall have a longer life bar? I can't really remember... but if Squall did, doesn't that mean he's stronger? The same for Cloud. But that's just KH.
OniJai wrote:
I think that cloud will win becuase. just look at the games. FF7 was so much better than ff8 and cloud looks so much cooler in adventchildren when he did his special at the end. That move eve owned sephiroth. No one else can do shit like that.
Just because one game may have been better than the other, does not determine this fight. How cool Cloud looked does not determine the fight either. In my opinion, Omni Slash looked cooler than that move... but that's just me.
I wish people would use logical means of choosing Cloud or Squall, and really put aside their fan-ness. -.-; _________________ [IMG:432:143:0a18b764ae]http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c315/Reiswinds/betternastysigD.gif[/img:0a18b764ae]
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 10:32 am Post subject: Both sides and squalls a second time :P
fresh_no_concept wrote:
Viewtiful E: Master Materia does not lower attributes at all. If Cloud has all Master Materia, he would be going on his base attack and defense. So I came up with a little combination of Materia that might just do the trick:
Weapon: Ultima Weapon (8 slots - linked)
Armor: Imperial Guard (6 slots - linked)
Accessory: Ribbon (quite possibly the best accesory in FF)
Ultima Weapon ( "|" means that the materia is linked)
1 - Master Summon
|
2 - MP Turbo (increases power of Summons)
3 - Master Magic
|
4 - Support Materia of choice (I'd try out MP Turbo as well, but Quadra Magic could work...)
5 - W - Summon (Two Knights of the Round = a LOT of damage)
|
6 - W - Magic (8 Flares = a LOT of damage)
7 - Enemy Skill (Big Guard and Magic Hammer are so lovely)
|
8 - Magic Plus (just to boost KoR a little bit more =P)
Imperial Guard
1 - Pheonix (fire damage + Life 2 on Cloud)
|
2 - Final Attack (allows Cloud to summon Pheonix as he dies, thus giving Squall fire damage and reviving Cloud at the same time)
3 - Double Cut (Cloud can cut up to four times with this baby)
|
4 - Counter [Support kind] (Allows Cloud to counter with 4 slashes every time Squall hits him)
5 - HP Plus (self explanatory, boosts to 9999)
|
6 - MP Plus (self explanatory, boosts to 999)
I actually do like the realistic point of view that Viewtiful E wrote. Brings Cloud's and Squall's uber powers into perspective. I would think that Final Attack - Pheonix combo might just make Cloud damn near invincible, but it can only be used 5 times. I do admit that Cloud is VERY dependent on his Materia, and if it was just a pure sword battle, Squall DOES have more training, and IS at an advantage. If anyone has some uber crazy junctions for Squall or better materia combo for Cloud, by all means, post and we'll see what bodes well against what.
Still leaning toward Cloud though, he handles a sword pretty damn well (especially AC Cloud). Yeah, yeah, Squall didn't get a movie to showcase some moves. But he did get a nice little CG intro to showcase his fighting skills in the beginning (where Viewtiful draws upon a lot of Squall's positive attributes) whereas Cloud gets next to nothing in his game. I'm done for now. This thread is actually getting interesting... =)
Only Anime: What does an airship have to do with how well one fights?
well i wasnt going to quote anybody when i put my peice in, but since you and Viewtiful E had the first two best posts i could pass it up.
for materia combos id have to say there are better replacements for some of what you put up there although i havent thought of an enitre set yet.
if you can have 9999 hp and 999 mp without the materia then well thre you go no need for those, but i cant remember now if you have to have them or not. also no need really for magic boost on kotr except if you need the extra 26,000 damage. one more thing. i think theres some hp drain materia-if you take damage it restores hp instead- although im not sure id say add this if there is. it may be just some fantasy combo of mine with the hp thing and the 2x cut materia but as a defensive instead.
well anyways, if you have -using your same method- not concerned with which weapon mind you not to mention all maxed out/mastered.
Final attack
|
Pheonix Summon
Final Attack
|
KOTR
Mimic this means no end to kotr summons even w/o master summons
|
W-summon(KOTR...)
Quadra magic
|
Master magic
speed plus
|
Enemy skill (remember some handy ones... cant remember if its the ones you allready said.)
and well thats all i have for that.
as for good junctions for squall. id say have ultima or something else on elemental defense and holy on status defense. making him absorb all elements including fire of course fom the pheonix either 100% from ultima or 50% from flare i believe, and also rendering silence inept... not to mention death!(as far as i remember)
aslo put some great magics on his other areas. i havent used them all so i dont know the best combos. best ones on luck and speed and HIT and strength. hp doesnt need that much of a boost
as for the cg of squall in the beggining he did get to show his spur of the monent skills with dragging his blade in the rock, and he got better cinematics from the start so its not all that unfair that cloud got his movie first(the first is my wishful thinking for an ff8 Movie as not a sequal but a representation)
as for the airship thing cid was able to use it in battle where squall couldn't(again as far as i remember)
however the ragnarok is still much better.
If you look at this in entirely character status point of view, FFVIII characters definately has the edge. If you junctioned Squall correctly, you can be completely immune to almost all status attacks, achieve 9999 HP easily, achieve very high defence, increase your normal attack damage to max (9999) for every swing, start out battles in auto hasted condition, and just cast a aura on yourself in beginning of the battle and you got yourself a trigger happy killing machine that uses limit breaks every turn...
To make Squall even more ridiculously strong, have Rinoa in your party and have her in aura condition so she might cast Invincible Moon on your party. Then you have a whole team that uses limit breaks every turn AND are INVINCIBLE to every attack enemy throws.
HOORAY for Invincible Moon and that wonderful doggie. talk about a smart dog ^_^ who needs a human "Hero"(<-- that was a pun)
as for aura and haste and damage issues... cloud gets the whole mood swings issues that either raises his speed or his battle gauge for his limit break. he has the opportunity to fill up before battle on the limit bar, as well as have speed enhancers.
squall gets the auto haste thing and prebattle damage if you want to risk it to not use aura. if theres an auto regen then its not quite as bad.(again my memory does not serve me well)
now for the invincible issue. yes you could say items are cheating, thn gospel and invincible moon would be left to match eachother in which case since im not familiar with the gospel(haha another pun!) i'll just have to say its either a draw or invincible moon wins. so as for party batlles case closed. theres no need to argue who would win in party battles. oh yeah we cant forget about irvines AP ammo....... i took out odin in no time with that, completely missed out on all those triples.
as for defence it doesnt really matter for either character if both have a max Hp of 9999 and have base/always 9999 damage to attacks; but thats if we are talking strict battle rules. heck they could each have 1million hp if you want.
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now for everyone else.
first off if its about bad ass bad guys or villains Ultamecia is as the name suggests ultimate(nah thats just me liking rinoah) or at least on par with sepheroth. either way the best badguy was definately kujo from ff9, not to mention Zidane has the Bravado to say "Not a Cloud nor Squall shall stop me" which was an awesome little reference trinket. i mean reall kujo was backed by the all commanding Crystal. which is how ff started for us americans in FF1.
Now for best character. well they both have to be pretty bad just to make the story line. Cloud is mostly at first a brainless puppet to jenovas plans, and squall is a total coward/MORON when it comes to Rinoah. Cloud gets stuck with the falling in the energy flow thing you have to rescue him from down south, and squall gets laguna as a rival so they both have bad starts and a good hard obsticle.... though id say cloud wins there because squall could have had rinoah from the start if he were smarter.
As for girlfriends. im gunna go with it being tifa and rinoah, not quistis and OMGosh i almost forgot aeris's name.
True Tifa had some story line with cloud and some action at the end and size F chest, but Rinoah was beatiful(great blue oufit and hair and dress i must say) and her story was a littl more romantic over all. so i say squall wins here
thats 1-1 sorta if you go with what i said above although squall has a more favorable to me personality than cloud.
as for better game. BAH! they came out at different times in an increasingly bettered graphics timeline. so its all to story and game play no graphics, in which case they are id say equal over all. of course in any poll id go ff8 because i played it first.
oh yes next the limit breaks:
first for looks- as anyone whos used or seen used the omnislah, they know it provides an awesome set of slashes and a finishing blow with those numbers of amazing damage in sets of 9999 unless your in battle arena and get the damage reducer. one of my most saddening experiences to use it 2x to no avail on the last guy and then lose.
as for the renzokuken with the lionheart finish. this i sadly havent seen yet but from whats been described to me and what i can picture from playing around with the others ive got a good image that says it looks say just a little better as long as it has the lionheart finish definately so graphichs wise. i dont really pay attention to the numbers due to the cool looking monster you get to slice.
now ive heard that you can obtain something in ff8 that allows you to deal more damage than 9999 like in ff10. im not sure if thats true or not but if it is then squalls damage just went way past clouds. however its kinda cheap to have that over cloud so well leave it out. unless you all want to keep on about clouds double sword in AC.
Okay now for the kingdom hearts references. if we are going to go by who was stronger in that it was obviously cloud, due to his overplaying in the arena story by directors choice due to fan support, and as well the way they basically point it out for you. in the ring squall may or may not have a longer bar(i cant remember) but if he does its because his weapon/ attacks are supposed to be weeker and they want to make him tuff. of course when you fight squall alone its easier than when they put you with him and yuffie although you can use her as a mp getter from damage, so thats his upgrade. just like cloud gets harder between his two stages you fight him at. just not by much. this is just like with herecles or hercules(disney name) so Squall copuld be as strong as cloud if they allowed him to show of and get harder but they save that for cloud(that is unless they dont make cloud any harder and i just imagined that all)
besides that its a mix of worlds based on fandom and story so sora really shouldnt be strongerbut since its in his world he is, so if it were up to having squall versus cloud it would have to be on an equal terms world.
sorry but im not done yet...
-next up jenova! (just trying for some excitement here)
its true cloud may have his jenova and beat sephiroth who also did but if seph. was so easy in the end ten it wasnt all that great, besides its either just a match for squalls juntion sort of or its just showing that he needs it...
please feel free to comment on that one i kinda was a little quick with it.
-saying cloud has more experience because hes older and was in soldier doesnt say much because hes a little brain tipsy and doesnt remember much.
quistis is very ahead of all at a young age so age hasnt a decied lead, also squall has brain beffuddlement as well due to the GF's
-oh my. i forgot to comment on Viewtiful E's post. he has a lot of good points as to the handling of each weapon, although cloud could just tear chunks of ground out if he wanted to do diagonal swings although that would leave one side way open to attack. also the sword is most likely 300 pounds due to its larger than humans size. as for clouds sword skills, one can accredit it to his jenova cells and memory of watching sephiroth using his uber long sword. so thats one way of explaining that.
-as for advent children. it failed to show off so many moves in my opinion. tifa was to easily defeated and barret wasnt exactly black but either way no-one used their ultimate moves really, because redX111 or whatever couldnt use cosmos or tifa final heaven or barret the laser thing so i say clouds even better than they showed him to be and if your going to sell him short (Although that throwing him upwards thing was awesome.) then your just arguing your fandom and havent made a solid case for him, just false hurahs.
-now for character looks which again says nothing for the who would win but for just the sake of everyone arguing it.....
cloud is probably pretty handsome for his world especially sine he doesnt have a scar, squalls world has a better good looking standard(not sure how to say what im trying to say) and if he didnt have the scar id say he stands out just as much as cloud and would actually be better looking, but he does have a scar so i say cloud wins, although some girls may find the scar attractive... i hav no opinion yet on that.
and for the person who said him getting shows his weekness. it just shows how much misplaced trust he had in seifer or disbelief that he would do that.
_someone said cloud has motorcycle and squall doesnt. well squall does have a vehicle however that you can rent. not to mention his school flies.
*cheers to silverkitsune's page 3 post on gf's being more helpful than materia... although it comes with leveling it all up and you can get master materia without all that.
__someone mention chocobos. yeah ff7's were way more useful but f8's were a little more fun with its side quest.
***okay! so finally back to the fighting!
first for a with materia with gf's and junctioning battle with strict game rules--
simply put its a one turn battle if each does his move right. Squall would have silence attatched to his attack and would kill cloud without chance of final attack pheonix.....i think so at least.. if were going strictrly to in game rules. i cant remember but because its a final! attack so if one is silenced they cant commit that last act before they die completely.
and for squall i dont think he has any reviving capabilities so one attack from cloud and all 9999 hp is gone for him too.
now assuming the silencing doesnt work cloud could still just merely absorb the fire damage and bust out another attack while clouds refills and keep it going till he wins because his bar fills between cloud dying and casting the final pheonix. so whoever gets the first hit wins. not to mention squall has odin who comes 1/8 battles and on non boss fights. considering cloud is no such boss to squall since hes not of his world its safe to say somewhat that odin has the chance of appearing(happiest day when he kills a marlboro) again giving squall the lead.
now for cloud having his sneak attack... most ff games recently have a possible either: back attack, first strike, sneak attack or something of the sort that favors or denies the player by chance. squall has no said equippable thing as this but he has the random chance of coming in from behind cloud or the other way round and cloud has his higher odds of sneaking in an attack, and since both outcomes are for the main characters this leaves squall with around 45% to the 55% chance that cloud does of coming out ahead, however with odin it brings it to around 49-51 so cloud has the advantage peoples.... sadly. but that is the wonder of rpg games with those kind of battle systems. its all a matter of the computers odds. so theres your answer for that category people. = with a tilt to cloud.
-For non magic and all battle strict to rules its the exact same. 1 hit kill.
and again chance of sneaking up is equal without items so here its 50/50 no tilt
@now for nonstrict battle rules, and since im getting tired ill make it quick@
okay so now they each have undefined hp just not too much or too little.
now its up to squall to make a limit drive before cloud and silence him with it. then when cloud retaliated with his overdrive considering he lasted past squalls squall will last past his and be able to draw kotr and then equip it because of the non strict rules. then hed have to use his limitbreak again and finish off cloud before he can work up a second limitbreak. and there squall wins with optimal outcome. otherwise just use two limitbreaks.= cause he has aura.
for cloud hed have to bust out with w-summon kotr and then use a limitbreak. so its still sort of a tie except squall has less time to wait and there wouldnt be a sneak attack so with squalls speed hed win. simply squalls faster.
anyways im swaying here so if my last section didnt make sense i apologize. it was suppose to say squall was just faster and they are otherwise evenly matched. _________________ DO THESE LOOK LIKE THE EYES OF A JIGOLO O_O !?
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Viewtiful E: Master Materia does not lower attributes at all. If Cloud has all Master Materia, he would be going on his base attack and defense. So I came up with a little combination of Materia that might just do the trick:
Weapon: Ultima Weapon (8 slots - linked)
Armor: Imperial Guard (6 slots - linked)
Accessory: Ribbon (quite possibly the best accesory in FF)
Ultima Weapon ( "|" means that the materia is linked)
1 - Master Summon
|
2 - MP Turbo (increases power of Summons)
3 - Master Magic
|
4 - Support Materia of choice (I'd try out MP Turbo as well, but Quadra Magic could work...)
5 - W - Summon (Two Knights of the Round = a LOT of damage)
|
6 - W - Magic (8 Flares = a LOT of damage)
7 - Enemy Skill (Big Guard and Magic Hammer are so lovely)
|
8 - Magic Plus (just to boost KoR a little bit more =P)
Imperial Guard
1 - Pheonix (fire damage + Life 2 on Cloud)
|
2 - Final Attack (allows Cloud to summon Pheonix as he dies, thus giving Squall fire damage and reviving Cloud at the same time)
3 - Double Cut (Cloud can cut up to four times with this baby)
|
4 - Counter [Support kind] (Allows Cloud to counter with 4 slashes every time Squall hits him)
5 - HP Plus (self explanatory, boosts to 9999)
|
6 - MP Plus (self explanatory, boosts to 999)
I actually do like the realistic point of view that Viewtiful E wrote. Brings Cloud's and Squall's uber powers into perspective. I would think that Final Attack - Pheonix combo might just make Cloud damn near invincible, but it can only be used 5 times. I do admit that Cloud is VERY dependent on his Materia, and if it was just a pure sword battle, Squall DOES have more training, and IS at an advantage. If anyone has some uber crazy junctions for Squall or better materia combo for Cloud, by all means, post and we'll see what bodes well against what.
Still leaning toward Cloud though, he handles a sword pretty damn well (especially AC Cloud). Yeah, yeah, Squall didn't get a movie to showcase some moves. But he did get a nice little CG intro to showcase his fighting skills in the beginning (where Viewtiful draws upon a lot of Squall's positive attributes) whereas Cloud gets next to nothing in his game. I'm done for now. This thread is actually getting interesting... =)
Only Anime: What does an airship have to do with how well one fights?
Well I forgot about mastered materia because I really just attack in the game, I feel kinda embarrassed but you also over looked that I was basing this on Cloud having the Buster Sword and Squall having the Revolver. I must say good job on your post.
HeyZeus, you mentioned that he could tear chunks out of the ground with his sword and I'll agree with you but it'll slow his attack down unless he can somehow cut through it as if he was swinging though air. I'm sure that he can do something similar but not quite as quick.
I also noticed that you said it would weight around 300 pounds... where did you get this number? A full sized steel replica should weight 104lbs and be about 6 feet in length.
I think squall is coolest than cloud, and I prefer ff8 so that’s a natural choice for me, so squall its stronger, I mean, look at what squall had to face, having finished both games for more than 100 times I have the impression that cloud was someone that depends of the friends to be successful, squall was a lonely guy that didn’t need friends nor backup to be a great soldier, and still he was always the leader of his group, so he is more smart than cloud, more strong and less depended of others to survive.
Squall power lol.
Last edited by antiravage on Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:23 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: Oct 14, 2005 Posts: 73 Location: Dog house
Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:
this thread is not geting anywhere if people keep posting things without explaing them and i think people are too bias on this subject.
Cloud and Squall who will win? we don't really know, but base on the game play, battle system and the storyline. We can make a assumption on who will come out the victor.
They are both in some sort of military organization.
squall a SeeD which is the highest position anyone can be in the game.
Could he was just a regular soilder and not a 1st class.
Base on that we can tell that squall is much smarter in military tactics and in fighting skills and also in decision making.
Their swords.
Squall have a very unique sword which allows you to pull the trigger with R1 to add on an additional damage. This in real battle would probally allows you to stun your opponet for a split second.
Could he has very huge long swords. his sword in reality you can only swing it in one direction because of the wieght that carrys the momentum and not to mention is really long. cloud with is long sword has the ability to keep his enimies at a distance but if he should miss he would can to counter quckly or else he is in trouble. with that big sword is very good as he can use to sheild him from direct magics.
Of the two swords Squall have an obviouly lighter sword than cloud. Squall can't fight sword to sword for long or else his gunblade will get busted? No because look at the AC movie Could with those big sword fought with katanas and none of those katana swords were broken. it looks like Clouds swords are blunted somehow. Remember squall have the trigger that allows him to add on a little more damage to the opponet sending a shockwave to them through his blade. But cloud still holds the distace and can use his sword as a shield. If squall manage to get pass the sword then cloud better be ready. one wrong swing for cloud and it could be all over.
Battle system.
Whether you like it or not GF gives allows you to create more a powerful charcter than materia. Why is GF better than materia? They allow you to shop anytime you want with discounts. they allow you to create any magic or materials. They allow you to custimize your charcter to fight against any kind of moster out their. example Mobarols you cannot beat him if you don't juction correctly. So the juction system fits squall perfectly as a soilder becasue he can fight any enimies head on without worrying.
Materia is great in its own ways but you are limited to which you chose becasue of the slots.
So if you take squall and put him in FF7 and cloud in FF8 which one do you think will have an easier time cruzing through the game with fun and ease.
Can I say Squall cause his clothes are cooler? lol but yes, I think Squall would win. As far as comparing the gunblade ot the buster sword, it's not the size of the sword that counts, it's how you wield it! (totally ripped off warcraft, which is ripped off of.....well....yeah......)
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:23 pm Post subject:
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first of all if squall can draw cloud knight of the table he doesnt have any time to junction it while fighting even it will be draw cloud can still used it...
then let me tell you my ultimate materia combination...
ultimate weapon: hp+, mp+, master command+hp absorb, master command+ mp absorb counter+mime
wizard bangle:final attack+pheonix, w use magic+master magic,w use item, quadra magic + master summon, enemy skill...
acc:ribbon...
this is ultimate combo that what ever you do cloud hp/mp will never fall down... since his hp/mp absorb can also be effect at 4 x cut (proven it connect with 4x cut since 4x cut is also a command materia) so each time he attack his hp will be add by 1000 x 4 and his mp 100 x 4 any attack will made him counter it with mime ability. if happens if cloud die he will also counter it with final attack + pheonix will be resulting he will be revive again
in final fantasy 7 also have ultimate shield name "GUARD" it repels all type of magic and physical attack + with the w use magic he can use one more magic that is haste/fullcure/wall/meteor/tornado/etc...
so this is my ultimate combination materia... (never yet been killed by any monster & weapons...
and you know... caitsith also have instant kill limit break using "slot"
"great gospel" make the party invincible
read this, it was Subzero-san explanation and it was good materias combination.[/code]
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:38 am Post subject:
I'm back!! to defend cloud once again
antiravage wrote:
squall was a lonely guy that didn’t need friends nor backup to be a great soldier, and still he was always the leader of his group, so he is more smart than cloud, more strong and less depended of others to survive.
are you really finish this game 100 times? because all i know squall happens to be a lone wolf after he was been betrayed by his friend and edea... he's afraid to be hurt again that is why he became a lone wolf... so who's here who really depends on his friends? more over quistis is more superior than him since she is his captain...
Cloud feel responsible to his friends so much that he blame his fault of aerith loses till now...but squall never give a damn to his friend and only thinkin about revenge...
Doggiez wrote:
They are both in some sort of military organization.
squall a SeeD which is the highest position anyone can be in the game.
cloud is in soldier the most powerful force in the game...
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Their swords.
Squall have a very unique sword which allows you to pull the trigger with R1 to add on an additional damage. This in real battle would probally allows you to stun your opponet for a split second.
Could he has very huge long swords. his sword in reality you can only swing it in one direction because of the wieght that carrys the momentum and not to mention is really long. cloud with is long sword has the ability to keep his enimies at a distance but if he should miss he would can to counter quckly or else he is in trouble. with that big sword is very good as he can use to sheild him from direct magics.
emm actually you havent played Final Fantasy 7 did you? I said that is because you probally never seen cloud's omnislash which his sword swings in various ways...
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look at the AC movie Could with those big sword fought with katanas and none of those katana swords were broken. it looks like Clouds swords are blunted somehow.
hmm the sword so blunt that he even can slash bahamut hard scale into two pieces? so blunt that he can cut rocks easily when figthing sephiroth? are you really watch the movie?
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Why is GF better than materia? They allow you to shop anytime you want with discounts. they allow you to create any magic or materials. They allow you to custimize your charcter to fight against any kind of moster out their. example Mobarols you cannot beat him if you don't juction correctly. So the juction system fits squall perfectly as a soilder becasue he can fight any enimies head on without worrying.
what the... shopping when you're in fight? are you serious?
I really do think that you never finish this game ... all mastered matera can be change into thier own master materia such as master command, magic and summon.
and lastly I want to highlight you this "Mobarols you cannot beat him if you don't juction correctly.". that means squall has to update his juction to make him vulnerable to each of his enemy... but with my materia juction I can event close my eye while fighting weapon in this game...so really which is better you say? go back and play final fantasy 7 and you'll know whose better...
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THOSE WHO WITH FRIENDSHIP...
are you really finish this game 100 times? because all i know squall happens to be a lone wolf after he was been betrayed by his friend and edea... he's afraid to be hurt again that is why he became a lone wolf... so who's here who really depends on his friends? more over quistis is more superior than him since she is his captain...
Wow... have you played through the game more then once and paid attention to the script? He was never betrayed by his friends... the reason he got all lone wolfish was because Elone left the orphanage. Edea never betrayed him at all... in fact she never fought him with her own will and it was Squall who started the whole mess by telling Edea to start SeeD.
You also ignored the fact that Squall is stronger then Quistis... she even states that he is strong, as well as saying Seifer is strong. He also wouldn't be the main character is Quistis was more powerful...
Squall... well... I don't really remember him thinking about revenge... and the only reason he pushes people away is because he is scared of losing them.
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cloud is in soldier the most powerful force in the game...
Cloud never made it into SOLDIER...
subzero wrote:
what the... shopping when you're in fight? are you serious?
I really do think that you never finish this game ... all mastered matera can be change into thier own master materia such as master command, magic and summon.
and lastly I want to highlight you this "Mobarols you cannot beat him if you don't juction correctly.". that means squall has to update his juction to make him vulnerable to each of his enemy... but with my materia juction I can event close my eye while fighting weapon in this game...so really which is better you say? go back and play final fantasy 7 and you'll know whose better...
Battles are won before they are fought. Oh and if Cloud were to close his eyes while fighting a Weapon... he would get killed. You are basing this way to much on turn based combat... you can't really judge a fight on turn based combat. Numbers are numbers; flesh and blood are the things that win a fight between men. No true fight can be judged with numbers, the human will is too strong.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
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but with my materia juction I can event close my eye while fighting weapon in this game
If I were watching you play, I'd probably laugh after Ruby WEAPON swallows you with his quicksand move.
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in fact she never fought him with her own will and it was Squall who started the whole mess by telling Edea to start SeeD.
Squall told her to start SeeD? I thought it was her and Cids idea to start Balamb Garden together... hmm... I gotta replay this game.
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Numbers are numbers; flesh and blood are the things that win a fight between men. No true fight can be judged with numbers, the human will is too strong.
Well said. Instead of basing this fight on level and stats, it should be about pure skill. Both Squall and Cloud are about equivalent at level 99 without Junction/Materia. Junction and materia are just add ons -an extension of the fighter- So if we were to strip them of these two things... what would the outcome of the battle be?
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