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Joined: Sep 08, 2005 Posts: 3819 Location: Within your darkest nightmares, and your deepest desires
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:50 pm Post subject:
The meaning of life is whatever definition we give it. We are all born as worthless creatures that when dead will mean absolutely nothing to the world. It is true that we are all going to die, but in this case the point is not the final action or deed committed. The point of our life is everything that comes inbetween our birth and our ultimate death. The meaning of life is whatever we give it. The meaning of my life is a pledge that I made not but a year ago. Then I looked into my future, and saw nothing. This scared me very much, so I began to search for meaning. It got me nothing, because I was searching for something for myself. I found out that what we do for oursleves is meaningless. It is what we do for others that determines our ultimate value at our death. I pledged my life to making everyone I know happy, no matter what happens to me. Think about this, when you die, who is going to be there? Is anyone going to be there? I just want everyone to be happy, and that gave my life a direction and an ultimate definition. Our life is whatever we make of it. Its meaning depends on us. _________________ Miku Miku!!
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Joined: Aug 21, 2005 Posts: 292 Location: I am soo lost
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject:
CGY wrote:
Lost89 wrote:
the meaning of life is to die? if it is then why are we afraid to die?
Because we have sin, and we are afraid of what will happen to your soul once you are dead... they are afraid of the judgement, the justice...
if there real is sins(religion) then life will continue to after we die so why be afraid of sins and how do we know that there is retribution after we die
Joined: Aug 21, 2005 Posts: 292 Location: I am soo lost
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:20 pm Post subject:
TrueAncestor wrote:
The meaning of life is whatever definition we give it. We are all born as worthless creatures that when dead will mean absolutely nothing to the world. It is true that we are all going to die, but in this case the point is not the final action or deed committed. The point of our life is everything that comes inbetween our birth and our ultimate death. The meaning of life is whatever we give it. The meaning of my life is a pledge that I made not but a year ago. Then I looked into my future, and saw nothing. This scared me very much, so I began to search for meaning. It got me nothing, because I was searching for something for myself. I found out that what we do for oursleves is meaningless. It is what we do for others that determines our ultimate value at our death. I pledged my life to making everyone I know happy, no matter what happens to me. Think about this, when you die, who is going to be there? Is anyone going to be there? I just want everyone to be happy, and that gave my life a direction and an ultimate definition. Our life is whatever we make of it. Its meaning depends on us.
the meaning of life is to make others happy to make yourself happy but if that is the case then why does it make you happy how do you know the people you wish to make happy are even real to begin with?
Meaning of life = "living" = living life to the fullest
It's trying to understand what "living" really is that's the real challenge people face in life. It's different for everyone, even though everyone faces the same ultimate meaning: to live
How do you know you're really alive?
There are two foundations that exist within existence itself: Life and Death. Life is about living, about carrying on existence and being a part of existence while Death is the exact opposite (destruction of Life and everything connected to it --- to bring all things back to nothing). Both ways are made up of certain elements that correspond to their natures (life = love, hope, truth, etc.; death = hate, despair, lies, etc). What elements and how much of each element exists within each person's foundation determines whether or not the person is really 'living' or 'dying'. Death and all its elements weakens foundations, because its goal is to break them down and bring people to nothing. Nothing = no meaning. There is no meaning in Death; therefore, the meaning of Life is to defeat Death --- to do that means "to live". And the meaning of existence is Life since Death is the meaning of nothing.
The way I see it, if whatever you're doing is promoting life in existence somehow, and you're happy/content with it, then you're living life to the fullest.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:10 am Post subject:
well if you were really picky living is dying. I dont want to think about where i fit in at a universal level because thats not what counts. there is no meaning at such an epic scale unless an individual gives it focus. I count and the people around me count. how do i know that theyre real, that its worth it? i dunno i have faith thats the only option i have unless im to choose death.
this question is too hard to answer. change it.
Depends on what you think 'dying' really is, on whether or not it all ends once your body gives itself back to the Earth. I could go on to say that your body isn't really dying because it's actually becoming a part of another living thing, or at least it has the potential of becoming so . . . so if that's not really death, then what is? Death = nothing. And from there, I can break off into other, deeper tangents, but I'll save my fingers for now.
I don't believe that nothing exists without its duality: something; something = meaning
Not only does that follow logic, it also follows the basic rules of science.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:25 am Post subject:
not everything can be explained in binaries but anyway. I think somethings are there you just have to accept them (im not that good at it, but im learning). its the lazy man's way.
by dying i meant that each second you live is a second closer to death. it doesnt really mean anything or matter, i just wrote it up, meh. So you think dying means a return to the universe?
not everything can be explained in binaries but anyway. I think somethings are there you just have to accept them (im not that good at it, but im learning). its the lazy man's way.
by dying i meant that each second you live is a second closer to death. it doesnt really mean anything or matter, i just wrote it up, meh. So you think dying means a return to the universe?
I know what you meant by dying, I was just trying to introduce another way of thinking. What you were saying was at the most basic level and concept, and it's not something I personally believe in. I feel that life is definitely a lot more than just what happens to these bodies. But yeah, I understood what you were trying to say. This subject just happens to be a hot spot for me, so I kind of complicate it. Didn't used to, it's just like you said above, I used to just accept life and assumed it had meaning in existence. I never questioned its meaning or if it even had a meaning. But too many people like to argue and bust you down for not having any explanations, so I had to come up with something. A lot of my logic comes from the assumption that spirituality exists.
To answer your question: no, I don't think dying means a return to the universe. My idea of what 'dying' really is spans the concept that there's nothing beyond actual death. There's no existence in death, therefore you can't carry on. To die literally means to cease existing in any form, or at least this is what Death seeks to accomplish. It's a breakdown.
I believe that souls exist and that they continue to exist, even when our bodies decay. But to take that argument seriously, you'd also have to believe in the existence of the human soul.
In the end, it all comes down to how much faith you have in Life and its meaning, in believing that it does have a meaning.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:10 am Post subject:
wait i dont get it. you believe in souls but also simlutaneously believe that death is not being, the absense of living hehe i think thats a quote from Rosercrantz and Guildenstern are Dead which i have to study for! argh! because i have exams next thursday! Argh! if this is the meaning of life, then i choose nothingness!
wait i dont get it. you believe in souls but also simlutaneously believe that death is not being, the absense of living hehe i think thats a quote from Rosercrantz and Guildenstern are Dead which i have to study for! argh! because i have exams next thursday! Argh! if this is the meaning of life, then i choose nothingness!
lol
Nah, what I meant is that when you die, you don't really die. Just your body does, and even then, you could argue that your body's "life" isn't over yet, either. Your soul is eternal. Then spirituality and even religion steps in from there. You know.
Besides that, nothingness is boring. Exams come and go, but when you've got nothing to do for all eternity, that's pretty much it.
Joined: Aug 05, 2005 Posts: 3228 Location: Jack lives here
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:36 am Post subject:
hmm yes i havent really made my mind up on spirituality and religion yet. im postponing that until i get older, you know what i mean?
ive come into contact with a range of religions but im still atheist. i normally say im agnostic cause that sounds better in a way but truthfully, im just an ignorant atheist as opposed to an informed atheist. or atheist by default rather than atheist by deliberation.
so how bout you? do you mind typing about it?
hmm yes i havent really made my mind up on spirituality and religion yet. im postponing that until i get older, you know what i mean?
ive come into contact with a range of religions but im still atheist. i normally say im agnostic cause that sounds better in a way but truthfully, im just an ignorant atheist as opposed to an informed atheist. or atheist by default rather than atheist by deliberation.
so how bout you? do you mind typing about it?
Me? I'm a non-denominational Christian, but I've been accused of being both agnostic and a Buddhist. *shrugs* Whatever floats their boats.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject:
chingu wrote:
quosimos wrote:
hmm yes i havent really made my mind up on spirituality and religion yet. im postponing that until i get older, you know what i mean?
ive come into contact with a range of religions but im still atheist. i normally say im agnostic cause that sounds better in a way but truthfully, im just an ignorant atheist as opposed to an informed atheist. or atheist by default rather than atheist by deliberation.
so how bout you? do you mind typing about it?
Me? I'm a non-denominational Christian, but I've been accused of being both agnostic and a Buddhist. *shrugs* Whatever floats their boats.
religion is so exclusive. yet, its also such a popularity contest. _________________ CAIN is MY whore. touch him and die.
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hmm yes i havent really made my mind up on spirituality and religion yet. im postponing that until i get older, you know what i mean?
ive come into contact with a range of religions but im still atheist. i normally say im agnostic cause that sounds better in a way but truthfully, im just an ignorant atheist as opposed to an informed atheist. or atheist by default rather than atheist by deliberation.
so how bout you? do you mind typing about it?
Me? I'm a non-denominational Christian, but I've been accused of being both agnostic and a Buddhist. *shrugs* Whatever floats their boats.
religion is so exclusive. yet, its also such a popularity contest.
Well, what is "religion"? Isn't it just a set of beliefs that a person(s) practices and follows? If so, then everyone's involved in some kind of religion, whether it be spiritual in nature, or worldly. But enough of being so abstract.
To the point, I don't agree with religion being exclusive and being a popularity contest. That just depends on the people involved, not necessarily on the religion itself. Am I going to let other people decide how I'm going to practice my own religion? Hell no. I'll decide for myself. That's my way of life, and that's my religion, and anyone's free to join if that's what they want. That's just the way it is.
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the meaning of life is to make others happy to make yourself happy but if that is the case then why does it make you happy how do you know the people you wish to make happy are even real to begin with?
